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    billys boots October 14, 2015 at 9:32 pm .

    sick of this blame game being played out in the press, at the end of the day we have a decent looking squad and any manager worth his salt would get a match winning performance out of them, unless he is really shit as everybody (except the cockney press) have been telling us.

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    Petch44 October 14, 2015 at 9:42 pm .

    If we were sitting top 4 I bet tactic tim would have said I agreed to sign all these players but because we ain’t there are mischievous comments saying he daint . He needs to go after Saturday win or lose and do what sunland have done and given themselves a chance . With tactic tim we have none . Move on it ain’t worked out !!

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    BWS October 15, 2015 at 10:19 am .

    Who signed them?
    Who’s to blame?
    Why are we still shite?
    Well perhaps a net spend of £1.23m is to blame (http://www.90min.com/posts/2522905-every-premier-league-club-s-net-spend-for-the-2015-summer-transfer-window)
    All roads lead to Randy (imo).

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      Badger123 October 15, 2015 at 11:11 am .

      I think that’s a bit simplistic BWS, as we never got all the dough for Benteke, for example.
      But that’s not our worry, as it’ll come out as cash in, over a period of time.

      The main point is, you’re right; Lerner’s spend is next to nothing again and if the investment is insufficient, the outcome will be the same. Even more so, over time.

      Agreed, the problem is Lerner.

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        BWS October 15, 2015 at 1:02 pm .

        Badger we can go through all the the whys and wherefores mate but this all leads back to lack of investment, poor management from top to bottom and a lack of any coherent direction for the club for the past five years.
        Since MON was shown Randy’S master plan and said “hasta la vista baby, it’s not for me” we’ve have been stumbling from one disaster to another with Randy giving one patsy after another – Mc****, Faulkner, Lambert and now Sherwood.
        It’s a fantastic piece of misdirection performed by our (in)glorious leader, while in the meantime we’re all calling for Mc***’S/Lambert’s/Sherwood’s head the club sinks ever deeper into the mire.
        A simplistic view?
        You’re probably right but it’s unlikely any of us are going to be put up for a nobel prize, it’s just how I see it mate.

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          GIDDYVILLAN October 15, 2015 at 1:33 pm .

          BWS I fully agree MATE

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            BWS October 15, 2015 at 3:44 pm .

            Cheers Giddy, I ain’t saying I’m right it’s just my opinion. I know some on here will defend Lerner till their last breath regardless of how far the club sinks but that’s their opinion and they’re entitled to it however misguided.
            Off topic but just heard on 5 Live the club have announced there are no foundations to the rumour Sherwood wasn’t invited to a ‘strategic meeting’ Randy held in America this week. It was just the case of he preferred to train with the team.
            If the writing ain’t on the wall.

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          Badger123 October 15, 2015 at 4:35 pm .

          BWS, I wasn’t suggesting your answer was simplistic.
          I meant the article you linked too.
          I’ve seen various figures going up to about an £8 mill net spend (which I’m not sure I believe).

          As I said, I think everything you’ve said is spot on.

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            BWS October 15, 2015 at 4:48 pm .

            Cheers Badger, it was the first one I found, should have crossed referenced it really but whatever the net spend figure is we both know it’ll be peanuts in premiership terms.

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    BWS October 15, 2015 at 1:29 pm .

    And here’s the answer to the question –
    Telegraph

    The director of scouting and recruitment Paddy Reilly came back from Liverpool last year for his second spell at Villa and his connection with Randy Lerner, the club’s owner, has proven crucial. THE VILLA OWNER HAS THE FINAL SIGN-OFF ON ALL TRANSFERS and he has endorsed the view that young players, with the potential to be sold at a profit must be a priority.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11932271/If-Tim-Sherwood-is-sacked-those-behind-Aston-Villas-deeply-flawed-transfer-policy-should-pay-too.html

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      marvin October 15, 2015 at 3:53 pm .

      That article is rubbish. Lerner always has final say, he’s the bank and why wouldn’t Reilly work close to the owner of the football club? After all it’s Reilly’s job to work with Lerner and Sherwood, which he has. Like I said before Sherwood worked with the two to sign all the players we have now. He knew. What he is doing now is like going to a restaurant and ordering a dish, eating it all, and then telling the waiter the meal was shit and asking for a refund.

      What I think you are suggesting is that the club should spend careless money on has been English players – if so, we are going to be left behind with the times. If people like it or not the EPL has moved on and if the club doesn’t try to find the next Benteke what’s the point? We have to live in the now and right now we need to live within our means. Sadly the club has appointed an inexperienced manager who agrees with the above argument and we are paying the consequences because of it.

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        BWS October 15, 2015 at 4:24 pm .

        Not at all Southampton are an example to us all showing it can be done. Well that is if you have a man with a plan that sticks to it and the evidence before us suggests the present owner isn’t that man.

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          marvin October 15, 2015 at 4:59 pm .

          Southampton is exactly what I think Lerner and the new regime is trying to do but like you said can they see it through. I hope they. The only issue is Villa have always dithered with its appointments of mangers and have only now implemented a new club structure with the wrong man. Where as Southampton have been blessed with stability, positive recruitment, and great success with appointing young foreign managers who are used to working within the new system. The fact that GH was Villa’s last foreign manager speaks volumes and before him Vengloš in 90-91.

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            marvin October 15, 2015 at 5:14 pm .

            …hope they do.

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            OohAhPaulMcGrath October 15, 2015 at 9:31 pm .

            Venglos was ahead of his time if we had appointed him 5 years later we would if succeeded under him. Gerrard H was great with youngsters and we played good attacking football under him. We did finish 9th do not too bad. If he had been a bit younger and healthier he could easily have taken us forward. We need a Ranieri or Kouman or Benitez though he would want too much money but he would get us 4th-6th. Forget these British grey dull managers they are all clones of each other let’s go foreign it’s the only way fwd.

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            marvin October 15, 2015 at 9:51 pm .

            I’m with you there. If the club sacks Sherwood soon, I was thinking along the lines of a Koeman, a promising young manager from Europe or someone who wouldn’t mind working as part of a larger system. If the board is going to scrap the whole system, or wait until/after the next transfer window, we are going to need someone with pedigree (ie, Ancelotti) to turn things around.

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              OohAhPaulMcGrath October 16, 2015 at 12:16 am .

              We are being heavily linked with Moyes and reported he wants tic one bk to England. I think he’s only won one game out of 7 this season too be awful if we got him another Lamberk imo

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        BWS October 15, 2015 at 4:40 pm .

        And just how is the article rubbish?
        It seems pretty fair and balanced to me in simply pointing out Villa’s whole transfer policy is flawed, that all the blame should not put all on Sherwood’s shoulders.
        That the others are equally to blame (if not more so) should be held accountable too.
        What’s so wrong with that?

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          marvin October 15, 2015 at 5:03 pm .

          The fact that it complete washes Sherwood of having any involvement in the club’s recruitment which he has been involved in the whole time – working with Lerner and Reilly. Sherwood knew of every single player before the club purchased them. Just because his more expensive options where not picked apparently the club is to blame for finding cheaper, better options elsewhere. We are a club who can’t spend like the top 4-6 clubs and Sherwood has to come to terms with that.

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            Andrew October 15, 2015 at 7:58 pm .

            Well said. Every club’s owner has the last say, it’s how business works. However Sherwood knew of every player coming in, and as you say just because we didn’t get the crappy Spurs players he wanted like Lennon and Townsend, doesn’t mean he didn’t know what he was getting.

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    Badger123 October 15, 2015 at 4:55 pm .

    It’s an interesting debate this, because while I don’t believe we’ll ever do much under Lerner, I don’t believe everything’s his fault either.

    Marvin’s correct that Lerner ought to be having the ultimate sign-off, as it is his money.
    But then, how long do we have to live within our means?
    If anyone is suggesting that it’s until we get relegated and beyond…. well I guess that’s one viewpoint.
    I’m on record as having said I think Lerner has taken a lot more back from the club than the books suggest and I’ll stand by it.
    Which means that it’s about time he put some money in and actually invested for the good of the club, if he really cares.
    How long have we had to put up with austerity that just isn’t working?

    All that said, I’d guess the only one Lerner might have refused to sign off would probably be Adebeyor and rightly so, imo.
    £100k a week on someone who might bother to turn up and play properly?
    No thanks.

    It still goes back to the question of who has been the only constant during our demise? for me.
    And there’s only one answer to that.

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    Badger123 October 15, 2015 at 9:06 pm .

    As for Southampton’s way of doing things;
    Can anyone explain to me exactly where the money goes?
    It’s a straight question, as it seems at first glance that it’s not going anywhere, apart from Ms Liebherr’s pocket?
    Indeed, if you read BWS’ link, they spent a massive £900k.

    If that’s the case, I fail to see the point and if we were going to go down that road, I’d be expecting the money to be pumped back into the team and not the owner’s pocket, although he’d be entitled to a reasonable percentage, of course.
    Otherwise how can you ever expect any more than we ever hope to achieve?
    And no, I’m not talking about our current relegation candidate status.

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      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 15, 2015 at 9:27 pm .

      It’s irrelevant they still have a team that over achieves without them having to spend a fortune.

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        Badger123 October 15, 2015 at 9:53 pm .

        Over achieves what though?
        We achieved an FA cup final, so what?

        If we’re going to over-achieve in getting to say, sixth (theoretically our best bet), I’ll ask the same question again;
        what’s the point?

        The aim has to be for top four and the only way we could achieve that is to play the Southampton game, whilst adding quality from the money that’s made.

        So no, it isn’t irrelevant at all.
        You can’t keep selling your best players for a fortune and expect to keep bringing kids through.
        Otherwise Ajax would be the biggest club in the world.

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          Andrew October 15, 2015 at 11:01 pm .

          Nope, no you can’t, not if you want “success” (depends on your definition, a lot of fans would love the success of just being a Premier League club fan in fairness).

          However, any way you look at it, none of the bottom clubs have the finances the big 4 and City have. Spurs have Levy who’s a world class negotiator and that’s the only real reason they’re where they are. Unless we can get to the state he’s in, we’ll be around mid-table for a while. Unless of course this buy foreign, have a good tactical coach approach comes through. Kinda like well… Southampton. But I guess a better version?

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            OohAhPaulMcGrath October 16, 2015 at 12:21 am .

            Once spuds and Liverpool extend their stadiums we will be left even further behind

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          OohAhPaulMcGrath October 16, 2015 at 12:19 am .

          Saints weren’t far off a top four place last year. Remember they sold virtually all their best players and actually did better when everyone was tipping then to go down so they massively over achieved.Fa cup is luck off the draw let’s face it we had a piss easy draw all the way except Liverpool in semi. Once we played a quality side we got hammered

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    Andrew October 15, 2015 at 10:57 pm .

    Apparently we’re looking to bring in Real Madrid’s Jese in January, according to a Madrid-based Paper. Facing Inter and Napoli for his signature. 12 goals, 8 assists in 59 appearances before getting seriously injured. The all Spanish attacking midfield 3. While possibly not a position necessarily needed to fill, I’d never say no to quality young players like him.

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