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  1. Colonius81
    Colonius81 October 23, 2013 at 4:39 pm .

    well done MD8,its a really good honest article – i have read it twice now.

    1. Colonius81
      Colonius81 October 23, 2013 at 6:06 pm .

      lol .. other 19 owners ….. fail

    2. markdrapernumber8
      markdrapernumber8 October 23, 2013 at 7:42 pm .

      thanks mate

  2. Naughtius Maximus
    Naughtius Maximus October 23, 2013 at 5:09 pm .

    reading a lot of comments on here you’d think we were sitting there with sunderland and crystal palace.
    I believe we’ve got to see this thing out, like I said in another post it took man city 4 years to achieve anything with unlimited funds, lambert has been here a season with a shoe string.
    I do question lambert at times tactically but so far im seeing improvements, again most of us agreed during the closed season that anywhere round mid table would be a significant improvement and so far this season we’re currently 9 points off the top and 9 points off the bottom, you cant get much more mid table.
    that’s not to say I don’t want better and I expect better but it will tke time, talk of removing lambert is a harsh imo and barring relegation this season I cant really see that happening anyway.

    1. BWS
      BWS October 23, 2013 at 5:19 pm .

      We wont get relegated simply because there are 3 teams worse than us, eureka! The pennies just dropped! Randy’s master plan- to make the 4th worst team in the EPL?
      That might float your boat but it don’t do anything for me.

      1. Colonius81
        Colonius81 October 23, 2013 at 5:58 pm .

        your random maths floats my boat!
        Randy master plan is to make the 4th worst team in the EPL

        is really the only conclusion that can be drawn by finishing as the 6th worse team last year and currently the 8th worst team this season.

        meanwhile all the other better than our owners target of finishing in the top 20 worst teams in the premier league remains on track.

        1. BWS
          BWS October 23, 2013 at 6:16 pm .

          Alright then the 16th best, that make you any happier?

          1. Colonius81
            Colonius81 October 23, 2013 at 6:32 pm .

            Ha ha but I was beginning to come round to your point of view!
            Lerner has set a target of 4th worst and we are failing to achieve that we are only currently 8th worst.
            Lerner out !

      2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2013 at 12:37 am .

        Spot on everyone is now happy we can finish in the bottom six instead of top 6 ffs

    2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2013 at 12:32 am .

      Not another give em time merchant. Wev been saying this since MON fucked off. How many more years must Lerner have to get it right. He couldn’t even succeed in his own sport in USA so how the fuck is he going to make us good again. No chance Lerner out

  3. Langfordvilla
    Langfordvilla October 23, 2013 at 6:36 pm .

    This old fart was happier in Div 3…….why, simple we knew that with the size of our club and the obvious ‘ambition’ that was being shown, we would be back amongst the elite…we achieved that! We tried again with MON and failed miserably……god if only we had a decent manager spending the same amount of money we would have been a regular top 4 team so what was the Lerner master plan? Too many cutbacks, too soon. With a more conservative approach to cost cutting we could have been in a much healthier position now…… The approach we now have is to simply survive in the PL as long as possible whilst Randy pockets the sky money and the proceeds from selling our best players. So we survive again this season, Bentake will be sold plus there will be approx 30 million from sky…Lambert will be given a maximum of 20 million to survive again = 40 mil in Lerners back pocket, pointless!
    We will NOT be relegated, but that is NOWHERE NEAR good enough for our great club!
    Thw Villa is OURS, the Villa is OURS, fuck off Lerner, the Villa is OURS

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2013 at 12:42 am .

      Langford your negativity is different class you’ve out done me and terry put together. What a great turnaround I’m proud of you seeing the light at last. Your right we won’t go down but that’s no consolation of how shit we are

  4. markdrapernumber8
    markdrapernumber8 October 23, 2013 at 7:27 pm .

    Cheers lads!

    Yeh reading back over this the relegation thing may be being a little extreme, I do agree that this season there are at least 3 teams worse than us (thank f*ck) so relegation is a long shot. But in terms of significant imrpovement I just can’t see it at the moment, hopefully they come good. Also when I say we look worse than last season I’m talking about our play on the field, yes, numbers do the talking in the league but playing wise we are worse, if you disagree then tell me why/how? We have been really lucky, which is nice.

    1. Andrew
      Andrew October 23, 2013 at 9:14 pm .

      Don’t think there’s been a significant improvement, but the improvement has shown. Even not comparing game for game this season to last, as they were played at a different part, we’ve conceded 9 and scored 8, compared to conceding 13 and scoring 6. So it’s shown that while I dislike our tactics and still think they’re inept, it’s already proven that there is an improvement.

      We faced West Ham, Everton, Newcastle, Swansea, Southampton, West Bromich, Spurs and Fulham and won 1 of those, the 2-0 win over Swansea.
      This time it’s been Arsenal, Chelsea, Pool, Newcastle, Norwich, City, Hull, Spurs. And we’ve won 3 of those. Taking 10 points in 8 instead of 5 that we took last season.

      I for one don’t believe in luck, at all, doesn’t exist. The improvement speaks for itself in the points/table position/goals for and against for itself. We have a -1 GD instead of a -7.

      One thing I do agree is our play on the pitch is different, and going forward is worse though we have scored 3 more still, but we look so much better at the back, and every time we’re attacked now I don’t think it’s going to be a goal.

      1. Andrew
        Andrew October 23, 2013 at 9:18 pm .

        While we don’t dominate games, and aren’t a possession team, which I digress sucks honestly, when we get possession, our play is quick and often worries defenders. We don’t dominated as when, especially in the first half, let a team pass around their own half and often when they hit our half, the midfield is all over them.

      2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2013 at 12:59 am .

        The reason we are worse going forward is mainly because the defence is so shit that lamberk has no choice but to play 5 in midfield to protect them. The problem is when we clear the ball there is no one up there.

        1. Andrew
          Andrew October 24, 2013 at 6:22 am .

          But the defense isn’t “so shit”. They’re a talented group that doesn’t even get the cover you’re claiming they get. Our midfield is weak and our winger’s don’t track back to protect the fullbacks. Our defense is arguably our strong point right now.

          1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
            OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2013 at 8:48 am .

            Rubbish did you not see vlaars crap header to Westwood that led to their second goal. Luna is crap, Clarke and vlaar have improved but still not good enough baker is not good enough fullstop. Lowton us shit defensively, bacuna does a job but that’s it. Guzan very good of course. But I agree with midfield comment we must have the weakest midfield in the prem. Bar delph the rest are complete shite. Westwood should be dropped ages ago but he’s lamberks favourite, though sylla and kae are only marginally better. Tonev is a joke. Our midfield can’t string 2 passes together which is why we can’t keep possesion. Even on the rare occasion we do string passes together we lose posession far to easily.

    2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2013 at 12:46 am .

      Agree md8 wev become as boring as mcleish theses days. All lamberk is doing is damage limitation against city spurs Liverpool etc he parked the bus. When mclown did that we all slagged him. We have cut lamberk loads of slack tge past year and how has he repaid us. By signing shit strikers like crapjack instead of an am that’s how.

  5. Jay Dee
    Jay Dee October 23, 2013 at 8:09 pm .

    I enjoyed your post MDN8 simply because you put your own spin on things.I don’t follow all this doom and gloom as I just can’t be arsed with the moaning and grumbling when I was a lad down pit shit……As I see it pal we are around mid table pushing for around 8-10 which we can achieve in one game.Heres the thing even if AVFC came out Saturday and played Everton off the park there would still be the doom and gloom club around a couple of days later to piss all over it.Anyways up enjoyed the read UTV

  6. Colonius81
    Colonius81 October 23, 2013 at 8:12 pm .

    the extra money is great but i am curious to see how that extra 30m could end up in Lerner’s pocket.

    We had losses of 59.3m for year ending 2011, and 17.7m for the year ending 2012.
    I am very interested to see what the accounts say for this year.

    If we are make a profit for 2013 and are still fighting relegation this season and next -it would be hard to argue that the club is not being run from a financial basis not a football basis.

    But to date, It seems Lerner has not yet made a shred of profit .. the club has made losses and he has funded them from his own personal wealth.

    you could argue that’s what an owner should do and that’s a separate argument but for now
    i don’t see how lerner has made any profit to date. Someone show me how he has.

    In this post O Neill spending era, mcleish was cost cutting – although given and nzogbia got big pay deals

    Lambert is definitely operating on a tight budget in terms of transfer fees and wages.
    but its still just one year into his reign.
    and there was still a legacy of high earning under performers clinging on this summer.

    So in terms of Lerner pocketing 30m per year .. (which is less that cost of one totenham unused sub last weekend)
    I will emphasis that until the accounts come out and show that .. its just speculation.

    1. Andrew
      Andrew October 23, 2013 at 9:25 pm .

      Well put, Lerner’s lost money continuously each year. We have no idea if Lerner would put in more money if we started making a profit as he’s yet too. Will things change, fans can speculate and speculate a lot have that he won’t, but again that’s speculation and is only going to rile yourself up and get angry for little reason without actually knowing.

      1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2013 at 1:00 am .

        Yep he did really well at tge browns as well not

        1. Andrew
          Andrew October 24, 2013 at 6:20 am .

          Two different sports, two different ideas.

  7. Villan1
    Villan1 October 23, 2013 at 10:10 pm .

    Excellent article, well balanced and many good points raised.
    When I look at our squad 3 things leap out:
    1) Lack of creativity- no real playmaker or player that can unlock defences in tight games
    2) Lack of width- very strange considering Benteke’s aerial presence and ability
    3) Lack of a strong defensive midfielder to help shield defence, we get over run in midfield way too much IMO.
    I would agree with Lambert becoming one dimensional. It appears plan A is counter attack and plan B is hoof it to Benteke or Kozak. Aside from that, I really don’t see much nous or tactical ability.
    Mind you, my biggest concern remains with Randy Lerner. Doesn’t come to games any more, doesn’t communicate and investment has fallen sharply. A sign of a man that isn’t interested. I am now totally convinced that we will achieve nothing and linger in this air of mediocrity until Randolph calls it a day. For the sake of the club and the fans, we need a new owner more than we need a new manager or players ATM.

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2013 at 1:05 am .

      The browns were glad to see him fuck off. Shame he didn’t sell us instead

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