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  1. Ardent Villain
    Ardent Villain March 17, 2015 at 10:52 pm . Reply

    I guess that the obvious answer is the requirement that any new owner actually has the funds to buy and run the club. Take B’ham City as an example: Carson Yeung turned out not quite the ‘Chinese billionaire investor’ he was supposed to be; or the Glazers at ManU, who had to borrow all the money they used to buy that club and have been using a large chunk of the profits ever since just to pay the interest on their loans.

    I daresay that ‘buying’ the club is the easy part; funding it to compete season after season is more difficult – and I’m not even taliking about funding to compete at ‘top 5’ level!

  2. Andrew
    Andrew March 17, 2015 at 11:59 pm . Reply

    We don’t need, nor will we get someone incredibly rich. Hell someone worth 2 billion is already worth twice what Lerner’s worth. We need someone who either himself is smart enough to run the club, or he’s willing to keep Fox and bring in others who know business.

    I don’t want a City owner, I’d rather an Abromavic, someone who’s at games, always looks passionate. I don’t want someone who will fail FFP, although I expect that within 5 years to be gone, I don’t want an owner paying huge fees after spending so much money, I know I’ve read a few on here be like “Oh it’s only 40m, that’s chump change”, no, that’s ridiculous to expect anyone to be willing to pay any fines, let alone said huge money.

    Hell a Lerner when he first bought the club would be great.

    1. adam2231
      adam2231 March 18, 2015 at 1:39 am . Reply

      Yeah the FFP just cements a status quo at the top. I don’t expect nor believe that Villa need to spend that much money. I think our team is strong enough as it is. Maybe ship out some rejects (Tonev, Sylla) to free up the wage bill. And add a player or two with some quality.

      Getting Scott Sinclair to sign a permanent deal would be a good idea. Maybe even Cleverly? He has been playing much better when he’s allowed to play higher up the pitch

  3. BWS
    BWS March 18, 2015 at 12:05 am . Reply

    Three wins and all is forgiven? Well not in my books Adam. You carry on kid and sing Randy’s praises but I’ll never forgive him for nearly running this club into the ground.
    We could have a worse owner, Carson Young blah blah blah, Heard all the same about Lambert for the past 18 months and look what a difference someone who knows what they’re doing makes.
    The sooner he fucks off the better, could riddance to bad rubbish, just hope it isn’t another septic.

    1. colonius81
      colonius81 March 18, 2015 at 11:09 am . Reply

      Slight fallacy there, if you think 3 games is not enough to forgive Lerner, then neither is it enough time to conclude that the current non playing staff k ow exactly what they are doing. Lerner needs to go absolutely. But to say he hasn’t tried and that he hasn’t improved villa in some way is also over the top.
      We can all speculate as much as we want. But the fact remains we could potentially get someone worse.
      At least Lerner is willing to move on. Look at Ashley, the glazers and hicks and gillet – they weren’t exactly going out of their way to move on once fans had had enough?
      Nope I think we have to recognize the good and bad under Lerner

      1. BWS
        BWS March 18, 2015 at 1:06 pm . Reply

        I appreciate what you’re saying but fans don’t really see or apprecaite the changes he’s made say to Bodymoorheath and or behind the scenes, no mate all we see is the product on the pitch and since MON jumped (or was he pushed?) from the floundering ship it’s been pretty dire.
        Well that’s not strictly true, the back end of GH season under McAllister we played some half decent stuff but since the reign of ‘he that shall not be named’ it’s total and utter pants and that what forms most fans opinion.
        What the future holds for AVFC is anybodies guess. We might rue the day Randy (if he does) sell us, there may be the gnawing and gnashing of teeth? Who knows?
        Only time will tell.

  4. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson March 18, 2015 at 7:51 am . Reply

    OK Adam your saying some players are playing better lately, why now? and why play a manager out of a job, it seems players stick together if they disagreed over money ,playing time, or a dislike manager, Lambert came into our club with a project that was doomed to fail, wages, great to an owner to lower wages, but players in their heads think why should I do that or this, I cannot see how any manager can keep a willing team unless he has things to offer, Lerner isn’t that type of owner, money drives him. loan players have to like a club and accept, play your game and win honors is a team we want. Lerner out.

    1. adam2231
      adam2231 March 18, 2015 at 11:21 pm . Reply

      I think it’s quite clear that Aston Villa are playing better under Sherwood. Based on players interview’s as well, I think that they have more fire in there belly under Sherwood.

      There’s a greater belief around the team, the players believe that they can win games now.

      It’s been a good appointment and strongly believe that Lambert had simply lost his passion, which carried onto wards the players

      1. Bum Bum
        Bum Bum March 19, 2015 at 9:03 am . Reply

        Lambert? Passion? In the same sentence????Pah!

    GIDDYVILLAN March 18, 2015 at 8:46 am . Reply

    It’ll be interesting to see how much Lerner will lay out to Sherwood in the close season based on PL survival.possibly a promise to him of funds available if PL survival is achieved but how much???? I’m certainly not holding out on anything more than pocket change in PL terms even though the TV money has been increased even more.I feel lerners cashing in at the clubs expense & until he fucks off the club will never go forward to the expectations of the fans,I’ll never forgive Lerner for dragging my club down to the depths he has rant over. UTV

    1. BWS
      BWS March 18, 2015 at 9:45 am . Reply

      Giddy if we stop up (which seems more likely than not now) I reckon it’s an absolute given he’ll sell, these here hush hush mom’s the word negotiations with this non-disclosure group will imo hinge on that – No Premier League – No Deal.
      So I should imagine come the summer our then glorious ex leader will be in his counting house and we’ll have a new Captain at the helm, hopefully a generous one.
      I think they whoever this mysterious non disclosure group/individual are/is, they/he/she are hardly likely to purchase the club before –
      (a) EPL status is secured.
      (b) The August transfer windows shut.

        GIDDYVILLAN March 18, 2015 at 10:02 am . Reply

        MATE now the TV money is going through the ceiling don’t you think he’ll hang around a little bit longer???yes I know it’s a gamble but he does like the financial rewards of being a PL chairman atm.

        1. BWS
          BWS March 18, 2015 at 10:10 am . Reply

          I f**king hope not mate.
          Taxi for Mr Lerner.

          1. GIDDYVILLAN
            GIDDYVILLAN March 18, 2015 at 10:14 am . Reply


    2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath March 18, 2015 at 10:22 am . Reply

      He will get around 10m that’s all lerner needs to spend to keep us up

  6. OriginalLondonLion
    OriginalLondonLion March 18, 2015 at 10:36 am . Reply

    It is a good, and thought-provoking, article Adam. Apart from self-aggrandizers, and people with cash fleeing regime change in their own country who are likely to be fickle owners, there seem to be two types who might buy the club for the longer term. Life-long fans who have made good and are prepared to spend money they won’t get back. Or commercial people who see it as a business.

    Before I expand on that BWS hopes it wont be another septic. I think it probably will be, and a red-sea-pedestrian to boot.

    I am not sure Villa could even raise a consortium of fans who have the amount of money needed to spend, though we do have in Lord King one of the best connected men in the financial world who could put such a group together.

    I think it more likely a commercial owner who sees it as a business proposition. You must have noticed the advertising in peculiar scripts flashed up around the perimeter, and I can tell you there are planned if not actual machines that with smart filters can show a different message to different TV audiences and something else to the live audience. I have seen Thai, Chinese and even Vietnamese ads. A business man who needs to advertise a new service to a worldwide audience may see VP as the ideal backdrop. If it works, and I am sure it will, he is likely to stick around.

    I hope for one thing that I fear won’t happen. An end to the Director of Football idea. Such a job should bear responsibility for results and be sacked when the manager is sacked – therefore the job is pointless.

    1. BWS
      BWS March 18, 2015 at 1:28 pm . Reply

      To be honest mate I don’t give a flying f**k who it is as long it’s a very generous benefactor.

    2. Bum Bum
      Bum Bum March 19, 2015 at 9:06 am . Reply

      OLL. I don’t think Jewish investors are stupid enough to buy a football club. You don’t buy a club to make money!!! Any ex-owner will tell u that.

      1. OriginalLondonLion
        OriginalLondonLion March 19, 2015 at 9:08 pm . Reply

        Eh? Daniel Levy, The Glazers, Randy Lerner, Roman Abramovich, Gold, etc, there’s a lot of them now and they don’t appear stupid.

      2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath March 20, 2015 at 3:50 pm . Reply

        Bum Bum we have a Jewish owner ffs! So do west ham, Spurs, Utd, Arsenal have a couple on the board and Chelsea,

  7. DSVilla
    DSVilla March 18, 2015 at 10:49 am . Reply

    At £150 I might have a go myself Adam!

    I would like to see an owner that funds 1 or 2 decent signings per season (say £8M-£10M and maybe a cheap gamble). I wouldn’t mind if some of those signings were sold off for more a season or two later, as long as the money raised was reinvested in playing staff. A bit like the Spurs model really. It needs the right manager as well. Is that Sherwood? Not sure but he has got off to a decent start.

  8. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson March 18, 2015 at 3:46 pm . Reply

    That rules me out, give me an owner that comes to the game ,don’t live in another country, and wants league titles, cup honours, and European glory, that’s not to much to want? Now is it.

  9. Lionheart
    Lionheart March 18, 2015 at 4:31 pm . Reply

    I want someone filthy rich.. would love to see David Luiz sitting at home on a match day on 150K a week cus he can’t make the squad.. lol

    If you can’t beat them.. then join them.. it is the only way forward..

    An owner who pays the FPP fine before the invoice has even been raised lol

  10. Hitchens 60
    Hitchens 60 March 18, 2015 at 6:19 pm . Reply

    I want someone who is genuinely interested in promoting Aston Villa as a succesful EPL club but also as a family club which, despite Lerner’s failings, has been maintained. What I don’t want is a ‘fly by night’ owner like Carson Yeoung or his ilk.

    When TS took over he intimated that the future would be very different from the past few years (and I took this to mean available funding) but first we have to secure our future in the EPL. Perhaps TS has been appraised of what will be available to him from next season on.

    1. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain March 18, 2015 at 6:48 pm . Reply

      It’s just a guess, but I wouldn’t be too surprised if the ‘mystery buyer’ turns out to be a consortium rather than an individual; if that was the case Mr Fox may end up in charge of ALL operational matters – and that includes investment – as a CEO would in any other company.

      1. BWS
        BWS March 18, 2015 at 7:50 pm . Reply

        That’s a very interesting comment and has got me thinking, perhaps we were as good as sold when Mr Fox came? It wasn’t in fact Randy that employed him?
        Outlandish? Maybe but going by Randys previous record for giving dumplings jobs Mr Fox just seems out of character and far to savy an appointment for Randy.

        1. Ardent Villain
          Ardent Villain March 18, 2015 at 7:56 pm . Reply

          Without trying to push the speculation too far – I do remember that Lambert’s sacking was attributed directly to Fox, and PL stressed his ‘great relationship’ with Lerner even after his sacking. Whoever he really reports to, its seems that Mr Fox has been given much more power than his predecesor had.

  11. KentNielsen77
    KentNielsen77 March 18, 2015 at 7:08 pm . Reply

    Since when did the acronym EPL become acceptable? Who started calling it that?

    1. Hitchens 60
      Hitchens 60 March 18, 2015 at 8:42 pm . Reply

      And your point is?

    2. Bum Bum
      Bum Bum March 19, 2015 at 9:14 am . Reply

      It’s just quicker to type than The Premier League. And we include the E to distinguish it from our previous managers initials…

  12. Badger123
    Badger123 March 18, 2015 at 8:41 pm . Reply

    I was talking to a 30ish yo Wolves fan today (mutual respect on both sides) and he suggested that if we do stay up, surely Sherwood will get £20-30 million to spend, to try and improve us?

    Of course, he’s not quite up on the facts of the matter re Villa and Lerner not wanting to spend and wanting to sell, but it’s very similar to what I was suggesting before the winter window, hence I totally agreed with him. He even said we should be looking at players in the £7-8 million area and totally move away from the £2-3 million class, as it isn’t good enough; something I also said.

    The point is, this is what an outsider (as a fan of arguably our biggest Midlands competitor over a very long time) thinks we ought to be spending in our position.

    That’s what I expect, £25-30 mill transfer net spending, as a minimum.
    Every year, given the telly money coming in.

    And if the consortium (which is indeed rumoured) can’t do it, I’d advise them to not bother bidding, as it’ll end in tears for us fans.

    I never fancied Ray Ranson’s bid and I don’t like the idea of consortiums at all, as you can guarantee they’re only in it for the money, imo.

    Oh, apart from Arsenal (with all the bitching and infighting at ownership level), can we think of any other Prem club that is owned by a consortium that has been sucessful?

    I think Lerner has proven a poor owner overall, but at least he had the sense to realise he’d been out of his depth and is willing to bail out at a loss, (albeit nowhere near as bad as is being made out, imo).
    If he does sell, it’ll tell us all exactly what he was about in that if we end up with some fly-by- nighters, it’ll prove he didn’t give a toss about the club.

    1. Hitchens 60
      Hitchens 60 March 18, 2015 at 8:53 pm . Reply

      Badger, consortium can mean many different things; not sure I would describe Arsenal ownership in that way but hey ho. I did post on here some time ago that Lerner may stay in for a period post sale as he has done at the Brown’s where he retained a (30% – I think) stake with an option to sell (or possibly the owner has a buy option) after a stated period – again I think it’s either two or three years. At the Browns there is a single owner but with a diluted financial interest. Could have a similar set up at Villa post sale which is, I suspect, what will happen. If structured properly this could give Villa access to substantial funds for team development.

    2. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain March 18, 2015 at 9:00 pm . Reply

      Agree with much of what you say Badger; however I’m not sure that there’s any PL club actually owned by a consortium!

      Arsenal are owned by two or three main shareholders who all seem to have bought their shares seperately from different family-sellers at different times, rather than as a single joint purchase, and yes, there has been plenty of bitching there as different rich men fight to get the biggest slice.

      Looking at it the other way – what if there were several long-term Villa fans, none of whom individually has the hundreds of millions now needed to buy & run a competitive PL club, but who together have enough serious money to persuade a proper external financial investor to back a bid – would that be so bad?

  13. Badger123
    Badger123 March 18, 2015 at 10:31 pm . Reply


    Perhaps “consortium” was the wrong word for Arsenal, but it’s as close as we get in the English game, so was my best comparison.

    Whatever, I just don’t think it’ll work, especially in footy, where the investment/profit debate is probably more difficult than any other industry.
    Consensus will be difficult to achieve, for a start, as we can see on this or any other Villa site. And that’s at the lowest level, ie us fans.

    As for a consortium of Villa fans, I can’t think of one who wants to buy us, let alone a few, so that’s a non-starter.

    No, you buy a Prem club for mainly two reasons, imo.
    You want the attention/acclaim it can bring you, or you want to try and make a profit.

    In a consortium, you aren’t going to get the first, in the way that you want.
    The profit side of things is plain to see for me though (Lerner’s doing just that atm, in raking his losses back in).

    Lerner has to go if he can’t change his attitude, but I do worry about who we might end up with.
    The likes of Bill Kenwright at Everton are rare these days.

    1. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain March 18, 2015 at 11:20 pm . Reply

      Agree that there probably isn’t a single genuine fan who has either the very deep pockets or even the desire to buy the club and run it, etc., – but there may be some who are relatively wealthy and with enough business experience to take part in a proper buy-out if they can persuade others to do the same.

      Still, I don’t disagree with your general point, just saying that there may be a viable alternative to looking for a billionaire sugar-daddy!

      1. Hitchens 60
        Hitchens 60 March 19, 2015 at 8:56 am . Reply

        Fair comment Badger / Ardent. I do think the model of a single owner but with a diluted financial interest is an interesting one which is a variation on the Arsenal shareholding. Although, on the face of it, there are no dividends available for shareholders, if one buys at the right price then there is a real possibility of capital appreciation of the asset. £150m for Villa staying in the PL with the right type of financial backing could produce a huge increase in value for shareholders and with sensible tax planning may well be an attractive proposition. No doubt someone cleverer than me will put me right!

    2. Bum Bum
      Bum Bum March 19, 2015 at 9:15 am . Reply

      Consortium is just a more respectable way of saying ‘syndicate’.

  14. Bum Bum
    Bum Bum March 19, 2015 at 8:58 am . Reply

    I disagree that the best thing for the club would be a Man City type takeover. They have no soul or history. We should be aiming to build a club deeply rooted in the locality, in our history and one that takes decency seriously – a club that looks after its own as in the case of Petrov. The noise is getting louder about the amount of untapped British talent, and as a nation that’s produced consistently over the past fifty years, that source can’t have suddenly evaporated. I’d like to see a club with more European ideas towards teenage footballers getting a proper education, not one string to their bow idiots who end up on the acrap heap if they fail to make the grade. Investment has to be consistent and half decent, especially with the new TV money. We, the fans, are not stupid and understand that the club cannot be bankrupted – be transparent with the true figures and we won’t scream and shout because we can’t afford Messi. We need to offer wages that don’t insult the players we’re trying to attract, or get them looking at other clubs for a pay rise a la Barry and Milner or Young. I want to see us competing, not just making up the numbers. I want to be proud of Aston Villa FC.

    1. Bum Bum
      Bum Bum March 19, 2015 at 9:16 am . Reply

      …scrap heap…

      1. Bill Pearson
        Bill Pearson March 19, 2015 at 12:15 pm . Reply

        Bum bum scrap heap sounds better, (joke.

    2. Hitchens 60
      Hitchens 60 March 19, 2015 at 1:12 pm . Reply

      Bum Bum – hear, hear.

    3. Andrew
      Andrew March 20, 2015 at 12:17 pm . Reply

      Well said, although I don’t think you can make the argument Milner, Barry and Young left for pay raises. They left for better clubs than us who are challenging for trophies, and unless we do get a City type owner, that’s always going to happen because we’re never going to be a United no matter what kind of owner we get. Downing you’d have a better argument making that for.

      I think the biggest problem with this, and I want exactly what you want, is that our fans aren’t patient enough. If we’re not challenging, they’ll be on any new owners back within 2 years. Most fans from what I see are always asking how much so and so is worth solely because they think because they’re worth 10 billion instead of 4 billion, they can and will spend more, which is false. No matter how good a player we get, unless we have a City owner who’s willing to up his wage to 250k a week or so like Aguero, we’ll lose them to the best teams like Barca, Madrid, United, Chelsea, etc.

      But all in all I want exactly what you want. Which means we need world class scouts, Sherwood too become a tactical genius, a better youth system with a better ideology from top to bottom on how each team plays. City’s going to be the scariest team within a decade because they brought in Barca’s former academy directors and have their under 12’s playing the exact same way all their youth teams and their senior team play.

      1. Bum Bum
        Bum Bum March 20, 2015 at 1:54 pm . Reply

        Possibly but we too were challenging at the time to break into the top four…then Randy pulled the plug…

        1. Andrew
          Andrew March 20, 2015 at 3:36 pm . Reply

          We were “challenging” so to speak but we didn’t have a manager that could break us into it, we finally did get a manager that could’ve if he didn’t fall ill. But that hasn’t stopped Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton losing their “better” players over the years either.

          1. Bum Bum
            Bum Bum March 21, 2015 at 7:46 am . Reply

            Come on Andy, Bale and Ronaldo are shit. Admit it!!! 😉

    GIDDYVILLAN March 20, 2015 at 3:13 pm . Reply

    Swansea preview please.UTV

    1. Badger123
      Badger123 March 20, 2015 at 6:47 pm . Reply

      Mr Cheese said he’s going to do a preview, Giddy, although I’m not sure when it’ll be posted. It’ll no doubt make a nice change from my rattle though 🙂

        GIDDYVILLAN March 20, 2015 at 6:55 pm . Reply

        I hope it’s an optimistic one I can’t be doing with anymore negative bollox.UTV SOTS

        1. Hitchens 60
          Hitchens 60 March 21, 2015 at 1:07 am . Reply

          Good morning (it’s 1 am) my optimistic friend. Entertained last night – a good time had by all and I’m pi**ed as a f**t. So here we are another Saturday and the world is well. Good win for the Villa today and another giant stride towards safety. Going for 3-1 ‘cos I’m feeling good about a Benteke riot. Suppose I should wend my way up the apples and pears but enjoying an Ash track fest. Ah just pour another glass. 🙂

  16. Badger123
    Badger123 March 20, 2015 at 7:05 pm . Reply

    Kerry, I’ve removed your post, as I want to use it for an article early in the week, if you don’t mind.
    If that’s a problem, let me know and I’ll reinstate it mate.

    Giddy, I suspect it’ll be optimistic.
    I could have a sneaky peak, but don’t like to do that.
    Your reply to Kerry deleted too, hope that’s ok and you understand why.
    It’ll make a nice post, imo.

      GIDDYVILLAN March 20, 2015 at 7:22 pm . Reply

      No problems MATE. 😀 UTV

        GIDDYVILLAN March 20, 2015 at 7:24 pm . Reply

        Ps yes it was a good read.

  17. Jay Dee
    Jay Dee March 20, 2015 at 9:43 pm . Reply

    Ive got a sneaky feeling just like last week that I reckon I will be watching match of the day again this week utv

  18. OriginalLondonLion
    OriginalLondonLion March 21, 2015 at 12:09 am . Reply

    Manchester, the self-rated “Second City” which owes its location to the fact that it rains so often the cotton won’t break, has been rated by David De Gea’s girlfriend as “Uglier than the back of a Fridge”.

    She is singing Spain’s Eurobore entry this year, no doubt hoping for lots of votes from Brum.

    1. Bum Bum
      Bum Bum March 21, 2015 at 7:50 am . Reply

      Buzzcocks. Magazine. The Smiths. The Fall. Happy Mondays. Stone Roses. 10cc. Joy Division. New Order. Dour surroundings inspire.
      Don’t get me wrong, I still hate Citeh and Utd!

      1. BWS
        BWS March 21, 2015 at 8:44 am . Reply

        Black Sabbath, Moody Blues, ELO, UB40, Judas Priest, Roy Wood, Stevie Windwood the list goes on.
        Fuck the Mancs and the scoucers, oh and the Beatles were (imo) a shower of over hyped, emperor’s New clothes shite.
        Ticket to ride? Well make it one way and fuckoff.

  19. pat57
    pat57 March 21, 2015 at 4:36 am . Reply

    I’ve looked in my crystal ball (having got the last two spot on) and predict a Villa win 3-0 tomorrow.

    Based solely on the fire in our team’s belly at the moment and the awesome fire power we’ve belatedly discovered.

    Looking at the possible line up, even with injuries, we still look really strong which is strange when only a few weeks back they all looked like they belonged in the bomb squad.

    UTV TS for World President

    1. Bum Bum
      Bum Bum March 21, 2015 at 7:52 am . Reply

      I think you might be right. 3-0 it is!!!

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