Terry Jones has submitted the following;
I submitted an article titled “Lambert Out” but it has not been posted and I am wondering as to why.
Is it that nobody wants to hear the truth? as some comments so far are still making lame duck excuses for Lambert’s failings by saying give him time to sort it out.
Sorry to say, time is running out fast as we no longer have a team that is worthy of our support.
Since Lambert came to the club he has spent somewhere in the region of £40 million but not on players of quality.
Each transfer window as one poster has said we are linked with players in the region of £10 million or so giving the fans hope that things will get better. None of these signings however materialise and all he does is waste money on players in the region of 1 to 2 million either from the lower leagues or abroad and all he says is the vision is for young hungry players and building for the future. This reminds me of the crouchy advert. Hungry for success? no way. They are only hungry for a bigger wage packet than they were getting at the clubs they were playing for.
As it stands the club is devoid of direction, ambition or leadership and since he has been at the helm we have picked up more unwanted records than at anytime in our great history.
So is it not fair to say that we now need a new captain of the ship before it sinks without a trace?
The truth is yes. Lambert was never and never will make it as a top manager. His record speaks for itself and unless there is change either by Lerner sacking him or Lerner selling up or new owners taking over and bringing in a top manager who can attract players to the club then I am afraid that the situation is not going to get any better soon.
All we are going to see is the demise of a great club we all love and support.
Lambert must go or all we will get is seeing our club struggle year in year out. I don’t think this is what most fans want, not after the past four years.
Your thoughts please.
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172 responses to “The Truth”
Penile,
I do wish you’d change that name as it’s just plain daft.
That said, you’re making valid comments, so I’ll just have to live with it, I suppose.
Btw, it’s Dys, not dis, but there you go.
16 years eh?
That’s a scary thought, IF things stay as they are.
You never know, he might decide to go again after having had a couple of years of raking it all back in.
I live in hope.
And when I referred to £50 mill previously, that was without the Benteke money actually.
So say £80 mill with wages included.
Now that’s being positive!
Or am I deluding myself?
Would be nice for Lerner to have another go at it…..Who’s to say he won’t it’s only been 4 years since his last go…..Good point UTV
Thanks for the spelling tip. You obviously know more about the condition than I do 😉
It’s why I rarely visit football blogs anymore. If you haven’t got the money, you perform miracles like Moyes did at Everton, hang around mid table like Fulham, or boing like the Baggies.
I don’t necessarily want Villa bought out by an oligarch, I’d prefer sanctions to ensure a more level playing field but it won’t happen, especially in this country. The teams put out byCChelski and City today cost over £400 million quid. And that’s without the wages or agents fees. Immoral on every level.
I’ll get me coat and brave the winds to my Japanese class.
Good luck for the rest of the season kids. We’re gonna need it!
Cheeky sod, but probably not that far from the truth. Fortunately, it’s not quite all over for me just yet 🙂
Yes, totally Immoral, agreed.
As long as you keep posting valid points, we hope you’ll be back mate.
Here’s a point for debate I’m quite sure Lambert wants success at Villa Park.It will be no good for him or his CV if he fails at AVFC.Lambert will only take so much and will be wanting to be backed by Lerner in the transfer market.This is Lamberts 2nd top flight job.He will want European football and trophies.AVFC are not a small club so this is Lamberts opportunity to make his mark.Lambert will not want to be stuck at a bottom feeder club UTV
Well that goes to show we all was glad to see the back of Deadly Doug, but what we did was jump out of the pot into the fire, according to what’s happening we are being used to line a yanks pocket, football don’t come into his way of life, milk the British fans is his moto, Sorry to say things like that but , but we do deal daily with them , and its dog eats dog is their way Iife, only a miracle can help us to win things at our beloved game, if that was a English man as manager and not a Scotsman he would see the light, what he could do about it god only knows. I pray for that day……
That’s a fair point Jay Dee.
You should write a post saying just that on your new blog
http://astonvillasupportersclub72.wordpress.com/
And that’s the last plug I’m giving you lol 🙂
You didn’t have to do that mate but thanks.The next post I will be doing will be on here mate UTV Prepare myself for the backlash lol
No worries mate.
As for any backlash, I doubt it.
Of subject but did anyone see Chelsea’s winner v city almost a carbon copy of the weimann goal against then. They were without kompany this time though their away firm is as crap as our home form. Can’t believe they are one if the favourites to win the league no chance.
It’s a pisspoor league Oohah, where anyone can beat anyone, imo.
And just as I think Pool are also really not very good, it proves it is still early days in the season.
I think pool are easily top 4 as long as Suarez and Sturridge stay fit not many teams will beat them this year. Agree though no one had stood out this year mainly because a lot of teams are in transition which is why Lerner should if spent big this year as teams like utd etc are not what they were which beans we might have closed gap
So far this season we have had tougher games than the beginning of last and we’re at about the same place. Lose against West Ham and get nothing at home against Cardiff which is highly likely and I’ll be in the Lambert out camp and firmly.
I’d say give him until Christmas as I mentioned in my post the other day but it may well be too late by that stage.
However, the biggest question of all, who is available as a replacement??? I say we need to go foriegn and young, why not Ole? Someone like AVB /Pottechino will do me nicely.
JD mate, your right, of course he wants success as much as we do but of late I just don’t see the ability of our manager being capable of acheiving that. I was a huge supporter of the Lambert acuisition and was chuffed when we got him but Villa is just looking too big for him unfotunately.
I’m sure I read recently that Ole knocked it back because of the pitiful spending money, but could be wrong.
Lol wouldn’t surprise me at all mate
Now that is something I hope that gets addressed.We are not a bottom feeder club so I’m hoping next summer Lerner will dip in UTV
I’ve just changed my abouts page and left news and views addy so you have a permanent advertisement UTV
OLE thought he was getting the Manure job that,s why.But we will never know the truth same as why Mon walked out.
We play well for one half and have done for a long time now. Some bright points within the team but our game plan at times is readable. Wiemann needs a rest and Tonev should be a rugby player. This summer is crucial like all are but with the big earners all but gone let’s see what bullshit is served up by Faulkner and Lerner. I don’t blame Lambert he is working in a tight budget and this PR about young and hungrY only works when that is what we have and I don’t see it
I don’t buy this lambert working to a tight budget rubbish. He shouldn’t be we should be at least competing with saints Ffs.
Supporting villa at the minute is like owning a jaguar with the engine of a skoda! top training facilities,good youth system,nice stadium, and a proud history but a cheap and tacky team on the pitch and ultimately that’s what represents our club! As for having to sign players on 20 grand a week,surely all the high earners are gone now as the only player left from the mon era is delph so why shouldn’t we be looking to sign quality players on slightly higher wages or maybe its just another excuse or lie from the owner and manager so they can continue ripping fans off with their cheap vision!
Pretty much how I see it Luke.
We have to bring some quality in, but it will cost.
Trouble is, I don’t see Lerner doing it, as he’s got away with what he’s already done in nearly stripping any quality (or should I say anyone remotely expensive) we had, out of the club and not replacing it.
Hello Morgan, long time no see mate.
Hello mate really busy at the moment. Hope all is well UTV
I think the Southampton debate is a good one.They have progressed quickly.They have thrown money at it and bought a few quality players.Quality that is managed properly will have you up the table…..I do sometimes wonder will Lerner give it another go.I would love to hear him tell the supporters what his plans are or even Paul F tell us…..UTV
Managers can sometimes be the last to see what happens on the field, particularly if it does not fit with their game plan. But how do we know with Lambert? Did you hear his post match comment on MotD? I did – and despite being Scots myself I couldn’t understand a word of the effing mumble! God knows what the sassenachs made of it.
Every sane comment on these pages points to our crap midfield. Actually you can tell this from the match stats of % possession. In EPL games this stat directly mirrors the relative strength of the clubs’ midfields. Villa have been under 50 except against Sunderland and Hull. The first Icon to demolish then is Delph. I think since he joined Villa he has played in only two, perhaps three EPL home wins.[statto’s please confirm]. I know from a couple of EPL players I chat to – that clubs target him with three players to force him to give the ball away. It is standard in their tactical briefing. It works because he thinks he is better than he is.
Enough for one post but my next comments are a move for Gabby to left back, and critical flaw in Guzan, so they won’t be popular until posters think about it.
3 players on Delph???
I must be missing something there, as I’ve never seen it.
If you mean 3 players looking to take him out, that figures.
Shows what a good job he’s doing though, if the opposition take him so seriously, imo.
Guzan has a few flaws. His distribution is sometimes poor, for a start, so no surprise there.
Gabby to LB though?
You’ve got me with that one, as he’s nothing like a defender.
But then perhaps you’re suggesting that we don’t have a decent LB anyway, which would be a reasonable assertion.
I await your next post of ultimate enlightenment with anticipation.
“I know from a couple of EPL players I chat to”
Are we really supposed to take that seriously?
Fuck’s sake 🙁
Delph thinks he’s better than he is? He has actually been our best player this season mate.
Have you ever met Fabian? He is the most humble player ever. Not big headed at all. An example is the fact he said he wants to play for villa for the rest of his life. He’s happy at our club and that’s the Yorkshire man in him, he would rather be a big fish in a medium pond than a sub sitting on Man Citys bench hence why he chose us over Man City when he left Leeds.
When he moved to us Villa put him up an New Hall Hotel in Sutton Coldfield. He was only 19 and he let the lads at the club wind him up saying the hotel was haunted, he’s that humble/gullible he believed them and he shit it and moved to a city centre hotel!!!
He’s down to earth and will be a good loyal player I think. We need to look after him.
sorry badger that was actually at London Lion not you, soz mate
I jus think we need to re-evaluate the team selection. The back4 is looking a lot more solid, so there wont be any hammerings this season. I think we must give the Benteke/Weimann partnership a shot, they work so well together. If we can get width and supply balls in to those two, we will get goals. Lowton needs to be recalled, pushing Bacuna on to the right of midfield. Maybe give Tonev (oe even Bennett) a shout on the left of midfield, with Delph and Sylla in the middle.
I still think we need to bring in a top quality central mid in January, i just wish we hadnt wasted 6m on Kozak.
A man talking sense – Bacuna in Midfield where he belongs. I bet you he is shit hot like a Milner type if we player him down the centre
Kozak = Bosko Balaban + Ivo Stas x Kevin Gage / Ian Ormondroyd = all shit!!!! 🙂
It’s where he played in Holland. Was very good there too, could definitely be our Milner. Didn’t he say when he joined he wanted to be Villa’s Lampard?
Andrew if that’s right it puts doubts on our coaching staff abilities, that’s why we fail we don’t have that type of player in our side, we need a central player to the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Scoles in his playing days, and Barry. They all play by splitting open defenders with that telling ball, that’s why we break down is we don’t have that player in our side, every team that comes against us just wait for that moment to counter attack and beat us on that move, We also don’t use the wing play to draw out defenders, its tip tap through the middle, teams have us down to a tea will beat us every time, Arsenal ,City, we took them by surprise in our type of play, but won’t again.
Agree mark what a waste of money for kozac maybe that’s why lambert only buys players for £2m as anything over that he struggles. Though he did well with benteke but still think that’s a fluke
He paid &M for Benteke but u put that down to a fluke even thou he is worth 30M now.. he also brought Okore for 4M.. who looks a top prospect..
Iv said Okore was a good buy but he us an injured top prospect at the moment!
it is all about money and lerner does not release know where near the amount he should,and the thing with villa is we could win the next two or we could lose them both none of us know which villa we are going to get game to game.
Witton, it’s not all about money, but it’s mostly about money unfortunately.
Good morning one and all.Now since i put this articale forward for discussion i have read all your comments with great interest but am still not enlightened as to the truth.This is why i wrote it hoping that through meaningfull debate we may have come near to finding out the truth as to why we find our club in the state it;s now in.But i am still waiting for the age of enlightenment as to the truth.So what is the real truth behind the clubs state of afairs .
Now when Sir Deadly put the club up for sale we were on a good financial footing i;e no debt and am i correct in saying that there were several cntenders whom wanted to buy the club.Was not of those a Villa fan and businessman whom formed a consortium anther being Ray Ransom and old frog face himself Dave Whelan.Yet we found the club being sold to one Randy Lerner someone we had never heard of.Yes great at first but after Mon walked out nothing more than decline apart from Gerard Houllier whom because of health reasons was unable to try and bring pride back to our great club.Now i think this question must be asked would any of the names mentioned as potential owners have been any better than the one we have or would we have still found ourself,s in the same situation we are now.
Good point terry there was some qc guy involved to. No wouldn’t want a consortium but would still prefer Arab money but that’s never going to happen I’m afraid.
Terry my new found friend’ if I remember rightly was there not a clause into that sale, was not to sell off the assets of the club, and that’s why he had Lerner, could be wrong my old mate. 🙂 🙂
Bill mate one comment i read on here was that Everton up for sale for ten years but would it not be fair to say they do not have the assets of Villa and most clubs do not as Villa actualy own their ground and quit a sizable amount of land adjoining Villa Park.I am wondering that Lerner only bought the team and the land assets are still in the ownership of Sir Deadly and that is why Lerner only as a 60% share holding.Looks to me as though we will never know the truth.But as things go Villa is a better prospect in terms of attracting buyers than anyother club as most rent their grounds.
I don’t think that Ellis had any more of aston villa, I thought he had about 40-50% of the shares, he sold his portion to Lerner and Lerner probably bought up other shareholders too.
i am not sure of that but i don’t think its a case of Ellis holding on to portions of villa. or that Eliis had any more ownership that what was sold to Lerner.
You know Terry that makes scenes , I’m bloody sure on that sale he (Ellis) sold only the club not the assets, would be interesting to find out, 🙂
AVFC is a fantastic buy for anyone.A club of tradition,success in every competition many times over we are one of the greats of English football of all time.Founder member of the football league a proper football club.All AVFC needs are its glory years back and rightly so….UTV…VTID
True JD lets just pray. Though I can’t see Lerner selling for many a year even if there is someone to buy him out. Iv seen some internet rumours the past few weeks saying red bull might be interested as Lerner deals with them any way in some business capacity. Though def wouldn’t want another yank taking over. Russian or Arab money please it we may as well stick with Lerner the next 10 years or so
That’d be something if Red Bull took over Villa. Because Red Bull simply don’t like losing anything haha. We’d be propelled straight to the top.
True but I don’t think American owners get it if that makes sense?
red bull sure they aint American mate.
Jay Dee no one is disputing that , what the conversation is how much did Lerner buy? It would be interesting to know, having said that it dont hide the fact that we have a problem’ you think not,i I think we have, I’m just waiting to see which one of us is right, interesting what.?
You’ve changed.
For the good or the bad Guest,? I don’t see a road to getting any better, not now.
The worst Bill, the very worst 😉
Oh. Dear, Giddy will be upset. 🙂
Has anyone heard on how Grealish is going?
OK Badger 123 some answers.
Delph. He is a good player, but not pragmatic. When you are harried by more than one opponent and there is no forward pass on, the correct option is to dump the ball back to the full back or centre half in the hope they can spot the unmarked Villa player. What Delph does is speed up to try and beat one more opponent, in which he is less than 50% successful or rush his pass at which he is again less than 50% successful. This is why he give the ball away in dangerous places and why opponents target him.
Guzan. There are four components to the job. 1/ Domination of the six yard box; 2/ Reactions and athleticism; 3/ anticipation; 4/ distribution. Compared with the EPL standard Guzan is only average at best, at Domination – rating 5. He is excellent at Reactions and athleticism rating 9. His distribution is improving rating 7. His anticipation is poor rating 3. Go back and watch the goals he concedes and ask yourself this question just before the shot or header is struck. “Can the attacker put the ball in any corner of the goal? Or only to one side, only high or only low. Once you have your answer look at Guzan’s position, has he moved already to cover the possible and abandon the impossible corners of the goal? You will find I think he has not moved. In the Spurs game he must cover the no-touch ball going in, not the possible header. At both Everton’s goals the strikers have to put it to his right or risk an off balance miscue if they put it left. Guzan has not moved to favour his right.
Gabby. He has actually played at left back during games when covering injuries and dismissals. He has already the clean tackle and speed needed to do the defensive part. Now consider him in the Ashley Cole role. The overlapping full back typically has much more space and time to deliver a cross than the winger. he is also likely to have a longer run onto the pass to use his speed.
An as you said yourself he would not be displacing an ace left back – we do not have one.
Still i am no nearer to finding out the truth as i wrote this articale hoping to come some where near to it.Have read all comments and must say they are very interesting.But the question still remains what do we as fans really want for our club is it to be a team that is content to be hovering mid to lower table.Or do we want our club whom was a founder member of a league that all others around the world have followed and modeled themself,s on Or do we want a club that as a global following the same as Barca Madrid and Man U as for me i think the latter is what most fans would want.But until we have a owner or owners whom think the same way.Then the same old question will crop up time and time again whilst the club is let stagnate just because of one mans vision i;e Lambert that is clearly not working.
The truth is we haven’t scoured the Irish leagues for all their remarkable talent.
Cretin.
I Probably agree with you on the owner point terry. Under lerner, we will never be competing directly with Barca, or Utd, but then neither will the other 15 teams in the premier league who don’t have shieks, oligarches, 800 million strong fanbases to fund them.
I would even counter why would you want to spend silly money to finish 6th or 7th after those guys? versus trying to do it with youth, young hungry players etc etc on a more financially sound basis.
What you are saying and what we all admit is we need the role that money currently plays in the game to be vastly diminished or .. an abromovich/ sheik take over.
We all want more for Villa, none of us are happy to wallow in mid table mediocrity or relegation battles. I don’t think that needs to be asked.
As for stagnating under Lambert?
factually speaking,
In the one year and 9 games Lambert has been in charge;
Villa are in a higher league position having got more points after playing statistically top teams vs the the previous year
Thats not open to dispute. That is not opinion.. that is the table, that is just win/loss/draw records that is just fact.
I don’t know what the truth is if its not facts however,
I don’t think you are looking for the truth though.
I think you are looking for a high response rate on an article with a touch of controversy in your title and theme .. which you have achieved and which we are all happy to participate in it has to be said.
outside that, its a question of expectations
no Villa fan would be happy to see us finish anywhere but 1st.
the difference is patience.
Lerner is lerner. he was our sugar daddy then post O Neil he wasn’t.
Say what you will, its been 7 years.
Lambert is new as of last year. Like any manager he is not perfect.
As he is young we don’t know if he will make it as a top coach.
he has had a year and a few games so far.
the truth is that is not enough time for one mans vision to be realised.
Red Bull are austrian mate.
Ha ha hands up u got me there thought they were American for some reason. Anyway coukdbt see Australian owners competing with Russians or Arabs either
AUSTRIAN, jesus christ.
You and Terry remind me of the Chuckle Brothers, with a little less panache and half the brain cells.
Think you’re being harsh on the Chuckle Brothers there.
Vaze was going to say the same, we all have our funny little ways, I’m the worst for it, I think some are worried and some are not.
Great article Badger I have to say I agree with most of it unfortunately .
Lambert has had plenty of time to show some improvement but its just not happening , he insists on buying unproven young players but how often do jems like benteke come along ? Instead we are now getting the likes of kozak another 7m wasted.
Lambert fits Lerners bill perfectly buys cheap crap and scrapes to survival , both need to go in my opinion !
COLONIUS 81 some good points mate but i am looking the same as most fans for the truth of what Lerner and Lambert want for the Villa.Now you are saying that a year and 9 games is not enough time to improve the team.Well how about in that time Lambert as spent in the region of £40 million and out of all the players he as bought only one as shown to be a gem.
Now tell me this if there is a plan say what as been mentioned the 5 year plan how many more £40 millions is Lambert going to spend before we see any improvement in our fortunes.The truth is we as fans would like to know where Lerner and Lambert envisage in taking the club do they have the ambition after a reasonable mount of time to have a team in place we can be proud of again whom is not just medioca but can hold their own with the best and at least challenging them.
GUEST got to get personal with your remarks towards myself and Ooah.Mind you have come to expect it from LAMBERKS pr manager and chief lemming.Just because you do not have an answer to the questions put forward all you believe in is the spiel spewed out by your mate LAMBERK.
Oh i’m sorry Terry i forgot you never seem to get personal when calling any fan that can see a couple of positives in all the negatives a ‘lemming’.
Ok lets look at this pragmatically shall we?
The answer you seek: There is no one defining answer, if in your simple world there is one reason and one reason alone we are in this mess then evidently you do not have the capacity to comprehend the ‘truth’.
The truth is we are in this mess due to a number of reasons, bad luck, bad decisions, the state of football today and the money needed to be successful, they are all factors.
Now, not one fan is happy with where we are, if any Villa fan out there is, then they need their head examined, we are truly awful at home, we are toothless in attack and our midfield simply isn’t good enough, we all know this, however, looking on the positive side, we are better off in terms of games played and points on the board, as Colonius said, this is cold, hard fact, and whether you want to admit it or not, that’s improvement right there, perhaps not the improvement we had hoped for, but improvement nevertheless.
The squad is marginally better too, albeit not much but nobody can deny that Bacuna and Luna have improved our first eleven. They may not be setting the world alight but they are getting better and will continue to do so, fickle idiots like yourself expect them to hit the ground running but the more rational fans understand they have come from a different league into one of the toughest in the world. Any player can do an Aaron Ramsey and find their form.
Delph has been like a new signing too, so that’s 3 players improved upon since last season in my opinion.
Westwood and Lowton will get better and will find their form again, a lot of players lose form in the second season but do come back stronger for it and i believe both of these will in time.
Now, where i am in agreement with OohAh is that we should have got Barry back, i also believe we should have taken Lukaku on loan and used that £7m bought on Kozak on an attacking midfielder, why this didn’t happen i’ll never know, and this to me was a huge mistake, not one that will cost us our place in the league mind.
I believe we are 3 or 4 players away from having a very decent side, and i think Lambert and Lerner will address this, and if it isn’t sorted out by the beginning of next season then perhaps i’ll be putting my “Lerner/Lambert out” hat on.
But, i’m prepared to give a little more time as i’m not as fickle as some and understand to build from the bottom up takes time.
As for where they envisage the club being and their ambitions for it, well i doubt either want to be in the position we are in.