Hi everyone UTV
I have wanted to write this post since the Liverpool game but I thought I would leave it a little longer to see what developed as I was pro 4-3-3 but am now swaying away from that after Newcastle.
Now here it is my case for 4-4-2.
I was shocked in the first halves of the Liverpool and now Newcastle games.We seemed to have no get up and go and have been sloppy giving away possession.No penetration and no end product at the end of our attacks.Our CMs gave the ball away to cheaply and so did our full backs.
Our full backs have been bombing forward exposing the back 2 and also exposing space behind themselves.This leaves us wide open for pacey forwards and good counter attacking football.
We seem to be always conceding and never keeping a clean sheet and our home form is a no show IMPO.
I know Lambert seems to know what he is doing so I think if he can’t see it by now then we are in the mire.
I think 4-4-2 would be the right way to go at this point.We need shape,stability,organisation,width and less goals conceded.I feel the 4-4-2 formation would give our young firecrackers all of this plus giving much needed protection to our full backs and have 4 in midfield in front of our back four.
I know Lambert wants to play nice football but when you have young inexperienced players who come up against the Premier Leagues experienced finest an open formation can be football suicide.
I really feel a 4-4-2 of
Guzan,Lowton,Vlaar,Clark/Baker,Luna,Agbonlahor,Westwood,Delph,Albrighton,Kozak,Benteke(Weimann contesting striker position) would be better.
I think Nzogbia would have a part to play to contesting the LM position.Would Bacuna or Tonev fit into the LM or RM positions?.
I just think this would stabilise,give shape,width and protection a good starting block for the younger lions what are your opinions?
All the best UTV….
I watched the man utd and Bayern leverkussan, noticed their 2 fullbacks pushed rite up, as wingers when in possession. when they lost the ball utd had no problems engaging their 2 centre backs, I thought this was very similar 2 our problem,
wot worried me against Newcastle was how we switched from working through midfield and started hitting long balls which was easlier 4 toon 2 defend, thou we didn’t or wasn’t allowed 2 play first half we made enough and wasted golden chances, gabby 4 one should av scored
keep the faith ~ our boys will pick up 3 points against norwich
Lads like a broken record i will keep saying it.. it is our MIDFIELD.. it is shite..
NO GOALS and NO CREATIVITY.. get rolled over all the time.. we haven’t addressed it.. IF we had brought a DM and AM rather then Kozak Bacuna Helenuis etc we would be sorted..
This Kozak must be the business for us to sign him when other areas needed addressing..
Can’t believe some of you lot want to play 4-4-2 with two wingers.. one it doesn’t work and.. two we don’t have any classy wingers and three it will leave our middle two even more exposed..
Only formation i can see us playing with Benteke and Kozak.. is with Bacuna and Tonev wide but tucking in and helping Sylla and Delph who just sit.. not ideal IMO..
Esp considering Bacuna was pants against Liverpool..
Why the F Tonev didn’t start in the cup i have no idea..
So kinda like a 4-2-2-2? Helenius wants to play the AM spot, flabbergasted why he hasn’t gotten the chance. I don’t expect any changes against Norwich as the team suits away games.
Andrew yes it is like a 4-4-2.. i meant if we MUST play them two up top thats the only way i can think..
We needed a player like Mohamed Saleh who plays for Basle.. a winger who can score and create..
Our best hope is that Tonev turns out to be decent and so does Kozak and next summer we get in the AM and DM but instead of bargain buys it is two players who will push us into the top half of the tanble..
So you think we have no hope of any signings in January then? Popov’s still heavily, heavily linked with us and he’d be an immense signing, I do like the 4-2-2-2 option though. Gabby and Weimann not as true wingers but as AM’s that will run the flanks but also allow the fullbacks to run the wings and have Delph and Sylla actually covering them. That’s really all we need right now, is someone to cover the fullbacks runs.
Salah would have been a huge signing if we got him, though the way he’s played I wouldn’t be surprised if a CL team came in for him next summer, if not in January depending on how Basle do.
Andrew.. where in my post have a i said i have no hope for signings in Jan.. strange remark.. my first point was about 4-4-2 being not a great fit for us.. the second about next summer was the fact that this season it would be nice if couple of players become good and next summer we get the required players in AN and DM.. obv if we can get those players in jan.. even better 🙂
Lionheart I’ve given up saying we have no creative midfield players, one man deserves to be called a midfield man Delf, all they think of is trying to find Benteke, I don’t see a fat lot difference from last year to be honest, I’m just going to give that team 4 more games before I start firing off to get rid. I never thought I would see the day that we Aston Villa would end up being a joke.
WE are so far away from the top half of the table it is a joke we buy players not to fill gaps or improve our team, we buy players who we think will make Lerner money… its a fricking joke no Gareth Barry but lets buy a centre forward on deadline day….this post is not negative it is realist ….
You do know by making Lerner money the players will have to improve for him to make any sort of profit? Which ultimately suggests they will improve the team as a whole.
As for Barry, he had one good game so it may be too early to judge if he still has it. Lets see if he either keeps up the form and/or finishes the season without injury. Personally I doubt it.
Barry at 50% less than he used to be is still different class to what we have now
If the club was looking for a quick fix sure, but they are not. Although, I will admit most of my fears so far have been with our midfield. I expect changes for the Norwich game.
Big few games coming up for us…
Just watching the Swansea game and it got me thinking.
Michael Laudrup has been at Swansea exactly the same time as Lambert has been at Villa.
They look far more organised and have better players than Villa.
£40m Lambert has spent to get us where exactly?
Cue the critisim from the ‘young, hungry, vibrant and transional period’ brigade!
Lambert out.
Lambert out I am watching the game and its 442, as you said far more wanting and eager than us, good entertaining game.
lambert out
Swansea hadn’t been miss managed for years, so when laudrup walked in he hasn’t changed very much. cos Rodgers layed the foundations and Martinez added too.
where if u look at us we av been stop start since Oneil left ~ anyways 4 games gone and we are doomed again pity u lot never mentioned this pre season, I think we could find our nxt manager here on this site may OohAhPaulMcGrath he has great ideas so wasted on ere
Agree mate but I turned them down £50k a week for wasn’t enough lol
Its a fair point, Rodgers and Laudrup have both been in the job same time as Lambert. Both Liverpool and Swansea now have stronger squads and are improving, continuing to invest and build for the future. As for AVFC, we’re no better than 12 months ago, kidding ourselves that some magical turnaround is coming.
Lets wait for the start of next season, has quickly become lets wait until Christmas, and will become wait to the end of the season. And repeat again next season, thats if we still have our PL status.
Even Steve Clarke had a better year at WBA ffs
Agree mate it’s appalling and even worse is there is fuck al we can do about it. People buy st far to early as club heavily promotes we ought to buy a week before season next year and see who’s come in or not in our case
Norwich (A), Spurs (Cup), Man City (H), Hull (A), Spurs (H), Everton (H)
Personally, Norwich and Hull should be wins given our away form and opposition. Spurs will be a true test for Lambert and the squad in both games, although I do wonder if the Europa games will cause them issues in the League or Cup. Man City and Everton could easily end up a draw, but the team will have to shake their fear of playing at home first.
I like look of our November – December fixtures though. Unlike last year, I think we could all use something to cheer about come the holidays.
^ Sorry that was for Lionheart’s last comment.
“I like the look of our…”
I agree that Benteke/Weiman would make a nice partnership, but if we play 4-2-3-1 with Benteke up top, Weimann right, Gabby left and Tonev just in behind, we are basically playing that front 4 anyway…
Surprised some are questioning Guzan kicking it long all the time.
That’s blatantly down to Lambert’s instruction.
A fairly young goalie would quickly see that it doesn’t work.
Whereas a set in his ways manager wouldn’t.
I’ve no doubt where the problem lies re that one.
I’ve thought about this a lot and while I’ve never really been a Lambert fan, I’ve always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.
But I’m getting this impression that he isn’t going to be our messiah.
He’s doing a reasonably good job, given the crap resources he’s having to work with, but I just can’t get away from that old saying “you pay peanuts, you get monkeys”.
While I like the look of some of our players, I see very few that have signs of consistency.
Are inconsistent players good enough in the Prem?
I have serious doubts.
Delph (as much as I’ve always rated him) was looked on by many as garbage a while back.
Has he really improved that much, or is it just that the average player around him makes him look better, for example?
I think the biggest single problem for me is the schoolboy tactics, when we’re struggling.
It’s just embarrassing, imo.
A fluid 4-2-3-1, for me, but not with our current players.
When the wide backs can’t defend, you’ve no hope.
Hence 4-4-2 has a slight appeal in that we could play 2 lbs and 2 rbs.
Trouble is, we’d still get pissed on in those areas.
Only joking chaps.
Just a bit frustrated atm.
Badger123, frustrated or not a lot of sence in what you said, I totally agree on what you’re saying on Delf, I never thought at one stage he would stick out a mile as being man of the match in any games, so is it saying the rest are under average? and the manager is under par in football knowledge in the game, I’ve always wonder what do the coaching staff know because they are the people that teach, and a manager puts it altogether, have you and I ever heard of a manager sacking his staff because of bad results? I don’t think I have, Aston Villa should not be like they are in England’s second city, something is totally wrong when it comes to Villa. As I’ve said I’m giving it 4-5 more games then the knives will come out on Lambert’s ideas in the game. Frustrated Bill.
Morning Bill, l was in the Trinity last Saturday and hearing a lot of comments at half time I think the crowd is already starting to turn and as you say give it another 4 to 5 games with no sign of improvement and Lamberts going to be right in trouble.
An owner that sanctions transfers only if they are cheap and he can make a few quid = selling club, a Manager with no plan B and a CEO with no clue of football… Recipe for eventual relegation, but as we are in transition I will wait till Xmas to make my judgement LOL
Morning BWS, your the same as me , I just cannot see where the hell we’re going , its as somebody said the other day, I’ll give it till the end of the season, I’ll give it till xmas , I’ll give it 10 games, its got to stop somewhere ffs, I’m mistified to what’s going on.
Nothing is going on Bill thats the problem, we are the most stagnant club in the premiership. My Italian mate asked me the other day ‘whats going on at Aston Villa’ and I just couldn’t answer him… so sad !
Sad fact is we havnt just stood still wev gone backwards
Worst Villa team I’ve ever seen we’re a bag of shite