Oh Guzan, yet again.
You’d have thought he’d have learned his lesson, but no, he passes it out again to a defender who’s not in a safe position.
I do have some sympathy with those who thought that Lescott should have controlled it better, but there’s no denying it was basically Guzan’s fault.
It was a setback, but I felt we were still well in the game.
We hadn’t been troubled much at the back, the midfield were holding their own and we were basically doing ok.
Indeed, we probably looked the better side, although we never really threatened.
The second goal though was just downright unlucky.
Costa put the ball across the goal and it hit Hutton’s rear ankle and ballooned in, leaving Guzan no chance of saving it.
Costa didn’t even celebrate, which says a lot.
Them’s the breaks though and we just aren’t getting any, it seems.
Once it was 2-0, it was game over, although I totally expected Mourhino to park the bus.
He didn’t, which only backs up my thoughts that we carry no threat whatsoever.
The main point about today is that we set up reasonably well, which is where Tim Sherwood has been criticized most lately.
I could question why Gestede started, as I don’t think it was his sort of game today, a point that you could say was proved. Yes, he had a chance in the first half, where a better striker would have scored, but that apart, I felt he was mostly ineffective.
Richardson for Amavi was one that surprised me though, but fair’s fair he didn’t do much wrong. Just the same as he didn’t do much at all.
The problem about today is that we created no serious threat.
We never seriously looked like scoring, but neither did Chelsea, their gifts apart.
Grealish played well, but ultimately achieved little and that probably sums the game up.
But I really can’t criticize Sherwood today at all.
It’ll be interesting to see how the press see things, as in my opinion Chelsea were as average as us and a fair result would have been 0-0.
Oh well, at least it wasn’t the whupping many of us thought it might be.
Gutted.
It’s all about points isn’t it?
Oops, two articles posted at exactly the same time. Apologies for that.
Ah well, let’s see how things pan out.
I say we were unlucky. Oohah is his usual doom and gloom 🙂
So your happy with 4 points out of 33 then. Nothing to be positive about Badger the club is going backwards. I said last season that Sherwood is worse than Lamberk and as per normal got slated for it well there’s the proof!
There’s what proof?
We were unlucky today and it should have been a 0-0, simple.
How you can blame Sherwood for today is just beyond me!!!
It was crap goalkeeping by Guzan and a ballooned cross, ffs (as you so often say).
Sherwood didn’t do much wrong and he set this one up pretty much right imo.
To just say he’s crap and has to go, is quite frankly a joke.
Guzan has been crap all season and last season Badger but Sherwood still picks him so it is his fault. When they went 1.0 up regardless of how it happened we all knew it was game over there was no tactics except lump it up to Gestede. A good manager would have reshuffled and at least had a better go. Stop defending Sherwood you are showing yourself up and are in a small minority 🙂
I have to agree with Oohah. Guzan simply isn’t a PL goalkeeper. I said in Lambert’s first season that he’s a weak link. Everyone was saying how great he was because he was saving so many shots. You have to ask why were so many shots getting through? Yes you can blame the defence but who’s organising them? That’s before we get into his individual errors. How many points do they say a class goalkeeper is worth a season? 10? 12? Guzan costs us at least that many. That might just be the difference between relegation and survival. For God’s sake, buy a top class goalkeeper in January!!!
Agree DAD.
Ps we were also unlucky last week and the week before and the week before……!!!!!
We’ve been unlucky for the last 12 games Inc cup final dosnt that tell you something Badger?!
I have to 100% agree with oohah on this.
I don’t like the sack the manager culture but we need a change asap
Really – sack the manager AGAIN and that’s bound to solve all the problems!?
I would only support that approach if, say, someone with Moyes experience of the PL was lined up with a guaranteed 5 year contract come what may! We desperately need continuity and if that includes relegation so be it as, let’s face it, Lerner is not suddenly going to invest £50 – £60m to buy our way out of trouble. Overall, I think the club is soundly financed and we could financially survive relegation.
Obviously I would prefer to rebuild using the within the PL – next four games are crucial and will determine our future.
No more Scottish managers please that’s al, we need.
Ok, for clarity lads;
This thread is designed to talk about the game.
Oohah’s thread is the “Sherwood out” one, which doesn’t even talk about the game.
I don’t mind which one we use, but please keep them apart just for tonight.
Apologies Badger – didn’t see the game so hard to comment. Stats suggest we did better than the BBC report but perhaps that’s rather like the Sky4 bias.
It seems that we are suffering like all struggling teams – when you need a bit if luck it goes against you. Apparently Hutton was very unlucky with the own goal but Guzan is becoming a serious liability. Can we do worse with Bunn or Seigrist (assuming he’s now fit)?
Sherwood has been unlucky since the Southampton game!
It wasn’t aimed at anyone specifically H60, no worries.
I don’t know what to think about the other goalies, but Guzan is now becoming a serious worry.
I still like him for his shot stopping ability, but that apart, he doesn’t seem to have moved on at all and I think OLL is being proved correct.
The immediate thought was “all that hard work undone” and it’s disappointing, to say the least.
Sherwood must have been fuming and rightly so.
I was there. Great support and we were definitely the better team until………Well you all know what I think of the ****, but it is exactly what I mean about poor anticipation. Not only about where a shot is likely to go, but about how much trouble you will put a defender in if you throw or kick the ball to him.
You could see Villa deflate when they went behind. Chelsea could be less adventurous, which they were, and they were happy to go in at half time 1 up. But for all our better approach play, only Hutton and Gestede forced a save out of the keeper.
The second half hinged on whether we would get a bit of luck to get back into it, Instead a mis-hit shot going nowhere deflected and became an own goal, the sort of luck we needed but Chelsea got it.
Richardson played well for the 60 minutes his groin will allow, Richards – apart from his sallies forward that he fails to get back from was sound, Lescott reasonable, and Hutton in the absence of Hazard looked good. Westwood was a major disappointment. He cannot hit a 40 yard ball with any accuracy. Ayew and Gana worked hard but they were not threatening the gaol themselves and couldn’t find a winger to thread a pass to. As he did at Palace, Gestede started slowly but was winning all the headers at the end.
Traore was double marked when he appeared, but he did force 4 corners. Set Pieces? Ah yes that is the other big disaster – ours were truly woeful, unprofessional even. Who the hell is the coach?
Isn’t Wilkins supposed to be coach. Apparently he was just yapping with his Chelsea mates giving high fives all game! Another waste of space. Forgetting this game OOL we have lost 10 out of the last 12 games Inc cup final. It’s ok saying we played ok but result is all that matters good performances without wins will not keep us up. How Badger can support Sherwood is beyond me his record is worse than Lamberk and that’s not made up it is a fact. If your happy with Sherwood then in theory you should of been happier with Lambert if you apply the logic.
Iv changed my title to Where Do We Go From Here? To save confusion
Cheers, Oohah 🙂
🙂
I was quite enjoying the Badger Oohah show., OK talk about the game ?we was unlucky? I didn’t see the game but will tonight . at this point in time I’m in Oohah camp ,he still changed the game with the disapproval of one player and the keeping on of another, Badger this is not acceptable for a club like us and excuses will not help.Cuzan has had his chances, get him off, Hutton today unlucky but still not good enough as right back.how bloody long is this torment going on for us Villa fans?,no other club would stand it, getting pissing worse, Sherwood out.
Agree Ronny Pickering me and Badger could be the next Fletch and Sav,of Saint and Greavsie or Morcome and Wise lol
Ronny, you will only see what they want you to see, which is them being far the better team.
Which they weren’t, especially before the first goal.
In fact we were easily the better team until then, but I’ll bet you the highlights won’t show that.
Get Guzan off for who exactly?
Bunn? Seriously?
You must have seen more of him than I have.
Agreed, Hutton isn’t the RB I’d ideally like either, but he didn’t do much wrong today, apart from have his heel in the wrong place at the wrong time.
But until Lerner is willing to cough up £10-15 mill for a decent one, he’s our best defensive RB, imo.
I’ll go back to my point, which is that Sherwood wasn’t to blame today.
And getting rid of him is not the answer to the club’s problem, imo.
So what is the answer Sherlock? 🙂
Perhaps it’s the same as yours, ie sack everyone and abandon the club until we get someone with a few billion to spend?
Maybe not Watson, eh?
Fill my pipe, there’s a good chap.
🙂 lol
Even IAN Taylor agrees with me http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/10/17/ian-taylor-reacts-on-twitter-to-guzans-performance-bbc-pundit-sl/?
Badger let’s start counting all the mistakes Cuzan done not only this year but over the term he’s been at the club, Originallondonlion picked out his failings just in positional awareness, now its distribution, your asking who? Put the reserve in let’s see if his contributions are better, can’t be any worse can it.
Bravo Ronnie P. Yes put in the stand-in keeper Bunn, at least the team will support him. Apparently we did sign the 18 year old wunderkid keeper so even he might be worth a go.
What you saw today, it might come across on MOTD, was a telling reaction. When a keeper does a gaffe leading to a goal his team mates will often do one of two things. Rally round him saying Chin up, we’ll get it back, tough luck etc Or what happened today: they all exchanged looks with each other and the dug-out not with Guzan, with the ‘Oh God he’s done it again’ expression.
OLL, you saw that reaction?
I can’t say I did.
Look, I’m not particularly defending Guzan, but he plays for the USA and they must see something in him. He apparently played a blinder for them against Mexico, so I’m not sure we can call him crap.
Yes, he makes mistakes, but I just don’t feel we should drop him for an unknown entity.
It seems Sherwood doesn’t rate him, as he wanted to replace him.
So why does he still play him?
I’d suggest it’s because he’s the best we’ve got.
At least, that’s what I hope.
Badger the reality is we have 4 points if Newcastle win tomor they will be 2 points ahead of us. We will then be second from bottom. We have won one game in 12. His record is even worse than Lamberk seriously how an you defend the evidence against him has he paid you ? 🙂
Oohah, do you seriously think I don’t know how serious the situation is?
Yes, his record on paper is worse than Lambert’s, but do you seriously think Lambert was a better manager?
The bloke ended up a gibbering wreck, who co-incidentally was on Bein TV today.
Guess what? I honestly didn’t recognise him for the first couple of minutes, as he actually spoke clearly and even looks different.
Stop comparing the two, as there is no comparison.
Lambert was utter shit for the Villa, as was Mcleish.
If Sherwood ends up the same, you need to start thinking about where the problem is.
As I always say Watson, remove all the possibilities until there’s only one answer left and there is the solution.
How many possibilities do you want?
Now pass the candle, my pipe’s gone out, old bean.
🙂
Thank you old bean. But yes I do think Sherwood is worse than Lamberk Lamberk averaged a point a game so did Mclown. Sherwood is Acering half a point a game if that. Sherwood hasn’t been here long enough for a breakdown but he definitely starting to talk crap. Why don’t you run a poll to see who everyone thinks is worst manager between Sherwood and Lamberk. The truth will set you free dear boy 🙂
We signed that young keeper from anderlecht why not throw him in? Could he be any worse??.. also we need to stop having two defensive mids on the pitch from the off. Its so restrictive, Gana can do the work himself, get Gary Gardner in the middle he has the brain to attack but will put the shift in to get back too. Westwood I seriously hope breaks his leg in training. Come on Clark do us a favour!!
Sorry, Oohah, I couldn’t resist.
Ronny, I’ve conceded that Guzan is becoming a problem.
But I’m not sure I’d put Bunn in for him, as I haven’t seen enough of him.
And I’ve seen nothing to suggest that Guzan isn’t the best goalie we’ve got.
Sherwood apparently looked for a replacement in the Stoke goalie, but he moved for the dough.
I’m beginning to think you’d want Sherwood sacked for that too.
I get it; you want Sherwood out, but even Klopp would struggle down the Villa at the moment imo.
So who’s a reasonable replacement who won’t want a load of dough to spend?
Another game lost by errors. Time after time I’ve watched Guzan put defenders under pressure. He’s obviously been told to pass rather than punt up the pitch. (If in doubt clout it)
We were under no pressure today until we gave the goal away and unlucky with the second.
However, as we have nothing to lose where was the passion, the will to win and go at Chelsea. After conceding we never looked like scoring and would not score if we were still playing now. I would drop Guzan also Westwood who disappoints me. Rudy is not strong enough and we should have paid for a proven goal scorer pre season.
It’s all to messy and needs sorting.
What’s Wilkins doing!! I thought he would be a good asset and help tactically.
I’m starting to get very concerned that we will get relegated this early in the season. I keep telling myself things will improve, the players we have will start performing and that at least 3 other teams are worse than us.
I suppose we have not won at Chelsea for a long time but really need a win next week.
Hopefully a more attacking formation – 4,4,2. I’m keeping the faith with Sherwood at the moment but if we don’t get a result against SWansea I fear the worst for him.
Karl,
Spot on and it’s similar to how I feel.
Guzan has been told to pass it and it stems from Lambert imo, who’s ruined many a Villa player.
The passion? That went down the pan along with their confidence.
I can’t describe how sorry I felt for the team when Guzan made that mistake.
It deflated me and must have been 10 times worse for them.
I’m beginning to think this is the year we drop too.
But I still don’t believe sacking Sherwood is the answer.
Badger,
In glad you agree with me, and like you I don’t think replacing Sherwood is the answer.
The players need to start taking responsibility and performing !!!
Badger, the 7500 to Holte site that pairs with this had Klinsmann (USA manager) saying following his spell as #1 Guzan would now take turns with Howard. And not having seen that game I don’t know, but someone on it blamed Guzan for Mexico’s last goal. As for today, I was there, and Iooked specifically at the Villa players as Chelsea scored the first and nobody made a move towards Guzan to cheer him up. Richards as captain should at least do that – but he, Lescott and Westwood all exchanged glances and looked at the dugout.
Funny how the master tactician and spotter of players/managers Andrew isn’t on here defending Guzan’s latest cock up. he seems to be his No 1 fan.
dsvilla
excellant comments spot on about andrew
I thought we looked decent, until Guzan Guzaned (again)!
If Gana keeps up his first half performance for 90 minutes he’ll win matches by himself, looked very good. Westwood takes a lot of, mainly undeserved, stick but I thought he was poor today and could do with a couple of games on the bench. Gestede looked far more committed and lively, got very little service, but at least we stopped hoofing it to him all the time. Ayew looked more comfortable and Richards was very good.
In the main as Badger says we were unlucky but again created our own problems, if we had more incisive possession around the box we might benefit from some luck of our own. How many deflected goals have we conceded this season, four?!
At least we looked a bit more settled tactically and for once Sherwood didn’t negatively affect the game with ill judged substitutions. Progress?
Do Leicester have better players than us? Maybe, maybe not. All I I can say is their tactics, confidence are better and I honestly believe that’s the only differnece between us and them. Apart from 13 points!!.. I really pray Swansea is a turning point for us it has to be.
I have sat a looked at MOTD 3 times, Westwood first long pass intercepted and nearly caused a goal, Lescott is unsafe to say the least, Cuzan words fail me on him please replace as soon as possible, as for our performance there’s something there in time, Hutton, bad luck on him wondering if he’s better in a forward position? Don’t think Gestede is working not doing enough, other than that what can we do to get out of the shit, Sherwood’s worried you can see that, only the big boys know what’s going to happen at Villa park.as for us fans terrible Christmas coming.
Ok, I’ve had another think about things.
How I got into a debate where I defended Guzan, I don’t know.
Let me clarify.
I’ve been at the forefront in criticizing Guzan’s distribution for a long while and perhaps this is the reason he doesn’t punt the ball like he used to?
Whatever, it now appears that we can’t trust him.
Indeed I watched with trepidation when Chelsea had a free kick and fully expected a goal.
If the management think Bunn’s good enough, I agree, Guzan should be dropped.
Don’t get me wrong, I still think Guzan’s a great shot-stopper.
But we’re a side that’s riddled with stupid mistakes (they were on display again yesterday all over the pitch) and swapping the goalie will possibly be an easy way of solving that particular problem.
The bigger problem I’m struggling to deal with is where some of you are talking about our luck.
I definitely think we were unlucky yesterday.
But the old saying is that you make your own luck and I think it’s a very valid question to ask how long we can go on being unlucky?
Fortunately, I don’t know the answer to that one and it isn’t my decision to make.
I’m sure it’ll be exactly what Fox and Lerner will have asked themselves though.
Reminded me of the old phrase, “luck is when preperation meets opportunity”. Our preperation is all over the place at the moment and we don’t create any opportunities because we’re constantly on the back foot and playing reactive football.
That being said, and as hard as it is to be positive these days, I thought yesterday was a small step forward in terms of team selection and shape. The players looked more comfortable at least, until Guzan wrecked it all. I agree he should be dropped, but I’m not sure about Bunn, think Steer might be the better option.
Badger , don’t get me wrong I fully understand where your coming from on Cuzan, i think Sherwood holding back on players far to long, you’ve said that it maybe he knows and we don’t, but let’s face it up till now he’s been suspect on decision’s for a long time, Gil, Cozak, Grealish, and a few more, now to me its showing a weakness in knowing what to do, he hasn’t the know how in my book, and sorry if it something some fans don’t agree, I spend money at Villa and like a prat did it again this year.