There’s an old saying that says you make your own luck.
And the simple fact is we have none whatsoever.
Today summed up everything that says we’re going down and if anyone still believes it’s not true, well I’m afraid I can only say you’re deluded.
We were the better side for the first half hour until Sunderland scored from a long distance shot that got deflected leaving Guzan no chance.
Then we bought Traore on, who scared the crap out of their defenders and did well to set up Gil for the equaliser.
And then what happened?
Off he goes with yet another injury.
And then Defoe gets a chance where he only has one place to shoot (the near post) and Guzan doesn’t have it covered.
Shocking goalkeeping from a goalie whose confidence is shot.
Next up was a Sunderland corner, where it seemed we had 4 defenders near the corner flag trying to defend and no-one where it mattered, after some comical defending, resulting in Guzan again passing to one of our players only for him not to know it was coming and the opposition scored again.
I could go on about how the performance wasn’t too bad against another equally shocking side.
But what’s the point?
It ultimately boils down to the fact that if we can’t get a win against Sunderland, where do we see a single win coming from?
Wycombe up next in the cup isn’t it?
You just know they’ll want it more and I’m dreading it.
I have to hold my hands up here and say that if I was Lerner, I’d be looking very closely at what sort of players the manager wants to get in.
If any targets are aimed at Premier league survival, I’d say forget it.
This team needs dismantling, as too many of our squad just aren’t good enough for the Villa.
That said, I saw the look on Garde’s face a few times and it was pretty emotionless.
I suspect he knows what we are.
And it’s frankly rubbish.
May can’t come soon enough.
Its hard to know what to say about Villa anymore. We have witnessed some terrible teams over the past 5 years or so, but this beats all of them. No passion, no idea and no chance of us staying up.
If you look at the people employed from top to bottom at Villa, how many really deserve to be in the Premier League. The Board is f*cking clueless, the scouts are a waste of money, most of the players are not premier league quality and Remi Garde and his staff have managed to inspire us to 0 wins in 10 games. Its just appalling.
We have a handful of decent players at the club, but they will be gone in the summer. We have to start again. Would be nice to think we could look to our youth setup, but are the players that we are producing good enough to get us out of the Championship? I have my doubts.
Dark times
Now we are down its time to start putting in the youth even in the goalie position. We need to put whole first team up for sale no one is worth keeping except Ayew and he will go anyway. There’s nothing to lose now just throw youngsters in it can’t be any worse
This Micah Richards thing is weird as is Hutton playing every game. Dont get me wrong Hutton gives it 100% and i cannot fault his attitude; However he should have been dropped 3 games a go and Richards should be playing RB. I think both have clauses in the contract to say they must play in every game. It just does not make any sense. When Richards was injured our defence looked a lot tighter and balanced, now our captain is back in the centre of defence nobody knows what they are doing.
I also think these players are losing games on purpose to force out the manager almost every manager has to force the defenders up the pitch, as you cant playing pressing football if your defenders are sitting to deep. Successful teams when attacking have a short distance from defenders to attackers especially in midfield as this creates more space to move the ball around, our players dont do this. All of our managers i have witnessed shouting at the players to move up the pitch, these guys are professional footballers in the top league and they dont know this? Big problems with big attitudes at the club its time also to move on the youth development team because when these players make it to the first team they have such a shit attitude they self destruct.
We are rotten to the core and this is by far no easy fix, I dont think a yank full of bullshit sentiments and sound bites helps either.
Sorry for ranting
Agreed – too many bad attitudes. Did you see Richards’ response to Ian Wright’s criticism? He needs to have a bit of humility an accept some responsibility!
I found his reaction worrying and not one from a team captain of Premier League team who fir the first time in Premier League history will be relegated. He should be sold absolute disgrace no shame in where we are
Nothing says we will drop twice I’m sure we will be ready for the Championship part of me wants Garde to have a go at it but ide rather have the loose cannon Pearson in utv
Losing is a hard habit to break… the whole club is so used to it. There will have to be a huge change in terms of playing staff, mentality, attitude and discipline to even give us half a chance in the championship.
Players should also applaud away fans no matter position of club its common courtesy
Something isn’t right at the club anyway… I know Traore is raw and young, he probably isn’t the best at tracking be either but when fit he is our best attacker so why does he not start? I bet there’s clauses in his contract if he does.. Likewise Richards, I bet there’s a clause in his that says if he’s fit he has to play and at centre back.
Remi is undoubtedly an intelligent and considered manager but he hasn’t had an impact. He is an unknown quantity and I can’t imagine he knows the Championship well enough, so the dilemma is how many more games should he get if the winless run continues? We really don’t want to break Derby’s unwanted lowest points record as it won’t be broken again for a long time. Prior to Villa, Garde only ever managed at Lyon where he had already spent several years as part of the coaching team, so felt at home and confident in his surroundings. In the cold light of day his appointment was a big gamble that hasn’t paid off. Defence is all over the place – has he got the cojones to make the tough calls. My view is give him 2-3 loan players in Jan and give him a target of 2 wins in Jan. If he doesn’t achieve this then we have to cut our losses and start all over.
Another manager picked by a manager this time Wenger instead of Fergie. Letner and Fox are a complete joke
We need to clear out the dressing room first, those players are not worthy of the Prem. The owner needs to leave any new players should be loans youth and short term contracts until a new owner is found. We keep changing the manager and it’s not working so we have other problems at our club. Not saying Remi is the man as I don’t think anyone is, it’s clear to me the board is rotten as is the playing staff.
Once a new owner is found and the whole team is sold then we can rebuild with a new manager and set of coaches throughout the club.
The board definitely have to take a big share of the blame. However, I don’t get why the players are not fighting tooth and nail especially the ones that have relegation clauses – apparently wages can drop as much as 50%. If they’re not performing then they’re not going to be sought after, so not as though they can jump ship without financial consequence. Wonder which players have said clauses?
Sherwood said he was going to replace losing mentality of players he said he spoke to begovic but nothing came of it and we where left with tosser guzan wheras if we had got a decent keeper in summer we would gained minimum 20 more points that’s how many the clown has cost us
Pulis has 52 points with wba in calendar year 26 in first half of this season how I would take man like that and kick overpaid tossers guzan Hutton Richardson Richardson Westwood Gabby zog lescott out the fucking door
Add Clark Baker Grealish Bennett Senderos to that list
Don’t blame Remi, the rot was in every corner of Villa Park way before he showed up. He keeps talking about believing but his comments about staying around even if (he means when really) we get relegated show I think that he, like all Villa fans, know that we are well and truly fucked.
I keep saying this but get rid of the dry rot now before the whole ship sinks. I’d sooner lose every game with players who are passionate and want to play than with the lukewarm rubbish currently infesting our first team.
Please Remi have a giant fire sale and try and put together a team that might be effective in the Championship. It can’t happen soon enough.
When Villa return to the top flight none of the staff or Directors named above will be associated with the club. That they will return is beyond doubt, it is simply the size of Birmingham which will inevitably force a decently staffed AVFC to the top of the Championship. It could be a few seasons while the current losers hang around hoping for redemption, but they won’t see it.
That is a rational thought, but I have one irrational hope to go with it. That Bodymoor Heath is sold and Villa buy somewhere else as a training ground. BMH is totally associated with every sort of misfortune including injury, fights and food poisoning. The club’s downward spiral began with training there – I think the place is cursed.
Perhaps the manager should choose a new ‘lucky tie’ š
Worcester Warriors went the whole of last season without winning a game – Villa could well go the rest of this season in similar fashion. Not only is losing a habit when you add a very poor squad, disruptive players (N’Zog / Gabby?) and a manager with limited experience (and I’m not holding Garde responsible for the sh*t we’re in) then I honestly can’t see where another win is coming from.
As for next season then January will provide some pointers as to the players who might be prepared to join us – I would like to agree with OLL but sadly the world has changed and Villa are now firmly stuck in the past.
Just watched MOTD highlights, the first goal was just bad luck a standard long range shot deflicted. The second no way should defoe score at the near post very bad keeping.
And the third where to start Bacuna giving the ball away and then calimity Guzan should just clear the lines, but no he wanted to try a neat little pass.
That about sums up this season. we get back into the game and feel sorry for the other team so give them a couple of goals.
At no point can Garde be blamed for any of those goals.
If I was him I would leave….
Just went through the Sunday morning ritual humiliation of watching MOTD. Bloody hell. This (Villa) reminded me of watching Sunderland a decade ago when their confidence was shot and it was just laughable. Like the players were pissed or something…Everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Apart from our wonder goal.
I still maintain we have sone potentially great players on our books but when the club is in a hole, yr never going to get the best out of them. I also can’t subscribe to the fact that we brought in too many players over the summer. Watford brought in more and look how well they’re doing.
Problem: Club/ Owner. Owner/Club. One in the same.
The first time in my life if refused to watch the Villa on the box and won’t till the club start a massive reshape of that shower of shit, they are beyond doubt the worst players that ever put a pair of boots on for Villa, if I was a player at Villa I’d be ashamed to admit i was one, that lot will take us down and down all the leagues, not one has the bottle to fight for the team, in a war they would run away rather fight, I’m not going to listen to Fox, or Lerner what ever they say ,a bunch of hypocrites what ever they say.
This is what I think will happen.
We will go down, Lerner will then sell Grealish, Adama, Gill and anyone else he can get money for completely bleeding the club the dry. Then he will hang around for another season to so he gets all of the parachute payment. He will then complete a sale, obviously for less than he paid for it, bearing in mind how much he would of taken out, compared to what he has put in. By this time we will be in a similar league position to what we are now. Just my opinion of course.
On the plus side, Fox will announce there has been no major decrease on shirt sales.
Stubbs, that’s a possibility with Lerner, he wont come over now just sit it out and let Fox take it, I never ever thought I could hurt like this again, if I get my hands on that shit of a Yank I’d be done for murder. He’s two faced and a coward. my only thought of getting to hurt him is walk away ,and any calls from the club over why not having 4 seats again i’l say the same again ,? Get stuft .????
There is clearly a divide in the dressing room between the newer signings from abroad and the so called Sherwood players (Grealish, Gabby, Richards etc) as you can tell there is no unity in this team. Just look at the lack of effort from Grealish yesterday as an example.
I cant help but feel Gabby is involved centrally in this, the fact some fans still suck up to him is startling. He is vermin in this team and that is putting it lightly (even when not playing). Id rip up his contract just to get him away from our youth players as I cannot think of a worse role model for them.
Now had time to think and reflect on the game & season so far are back 5 isn’t good enough defensively and position wise.. They don’t work as a unit there shape is all wrong which leads to what the hell does the defensive coach practice in training? 2 goals came from right hand side due to Hutton/bacuna I don’t understand when we don’t have the ball why isnt are back line straight Hutton seems to drift forward no matter what which is a sine then we get exposed cos Center half has to come across to cover which they don’t wanna be ie lescott with know pace but he did well cos he keeped defo on his weaker foot but he still managed to squeeze it in on guzan near post ffs this is unbelievable the only place he could put it and guzan didn’t read/cover it now what Gk coach doing with him?? These are basic errors that are happening week in week out and not been rectified. In the back u need 2 leaders keeper and Center half we have none at mo! Someone should be screaming at Hutton to stop drifting and get back in line one thing about Gk they see everything so he can organise them but guzan don’t say a word.
We need a GK Centre half commanding one right back if mich don’t wanna play there! Defensive mid striker!!
Has it not crossed your mind that maybe the players are doing it on purpose. Maybe the divide, which there clearly is, runs deeper than just between players. I may be well off the mark but it wouldn’t surprise me. It is obvious the club is ruined. There are no standards at the club. A majority don’t care making it impossible for those that do care to make or have any real impact.
When something like not showing you care comes from the very top in will inevitably have a knock on effect. For me Lerner has made his bed by staying away. Fox has made his bed with some of the decisions he has made. I don’t for a second blame Garde, he, along with every other manager we have had over the last 10 years, excluding O’Neil, have had their hands tied.
I will be gobsmacked if we actually spend money in this window to try and save our Premier League status. If Lerner, Fox and the rest of the board wanted to take this club forward as much as they claim they wouldn’t do things like give Westwood, Clarke, Baker, Guzan etc etc new contracts because it seems everyone, those with the power apart, can see these players are not good enough for the place our owner and board claim they want to be.
Another issue which is player related is this connection to Man City our players seem to be friendly and we do sign a lot of former City players. I think someone in our dressing room has been influencing who we should sign almost like an old boys network.
The players are not listening to the manager, prime example FA Cup semi final was the last good game we played we ripped Liverpool apart, those same players then struggled for the rest of the season, they are losing on purpose not listening to instructions, watch all of our managers in the recent past telling these so called top pro’s the same thing over and over again.
We have a few bad apples in the dressing room who are controlling the club and the players.
The media are not helping Tbh the French players are not playing that bad Amavi, Veretout Ayew Adama have been our better players this season. The media are saying our transfer policy has not worked but the players who are failing were not chosen by the so called money ball men, they were supposedly chosen by our former mangers.
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I wish Randolph Lerner would fuck off and …
On the Jeff Stelling show the panel said if the defence do not understand the basics of defending etc then stay on training ground for 6 hours until they have got it….well we have supposedly been on the training pitch for 6 YEARS and still dont get it…….Sunderland and Newcastle have been the same for years as well.
Is there a bus load of crap coaches around that these 3 clubs seem to always have…?
Ive always said its down to coaches, i watch young coaching staff and ive asked why are you interchanging players position? Its to teach them other positions, to me its idiocy, but its now the schooling in the game. OLL you’ve been at Sutton is that the normal?
Bill it was nearly half a century ago. The manager asked me once how I came to be playing LB (through the kids teams) and it went back to primary school. I was the new boy, not fat enough for goalie so next least-liked pos was LB!. As it turned out having the quickest player at LB was good for Sutton because most opponents had their quickest or trickiest player on the RW.
I found when playing Vets football I could also play RW – it is the same corner, but unless I my team was playing weaker opposition I could not play anywhere else and do it justice.
I think it is a good idea to give people practice in other positions – if they can do it. When I managed a Sunday side I knew I had 5 or so versatile guys who could play most positions, but all the rest really could only manage 2 positions at best. Players tend to drift to their natural places in the middle of a half when they are being rushed. You noticed this particularly last season with Villa. Benteke and Gabby would chose the same blade of grass. Sinclair and Delph were also left sided. There was no right winger, there still isn’t when Adama is off the field.
Thanks OLL, i still have it in my mind a player is more comfortable knowing his left is better than his right, but i take your point. Thans again.
most people think we should get championship players in now so we can play them in the premier league, to get slaughtered and give them confidence for next year!not a lot of joined up thinking going on here. while i cant see us getting out of this shite i think something must be done to regain some sort of belief in the club, either loans or experienced older(fit) players who know what the score is
I’ve been one of those saying we should have a clear out. However I have not been saying we should have Championship players but players who are willing to play in the Championship which isn’t the same thing.
I honestly don’t think there’s any point in us getting loans or so-called ‘experienced’ players who will desert the already sinking ship when we finally get mathematically relegated. What team will we then have for a very tough Championship? None at all and the trapdoor leading to Div 1 will soon be a very real possibility.
We should start building now for the inevitable. Hiding our heads in the sand and playing the same old crap we’ve been seeing game in, game out won’t get is anywhere either.
Matt Law tells it as it is;
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10118235/aston-villa-getting-what-they-deserve-after-poor-decision-making-says-matt-law
Thanks Badger
The article is absolutely spot on
How bloody true, a typical Yank that knows fuck all about football.
Nice anti-“yank” propaganda mate.
And mean’t to be Andrew, know how they do business.
He he nice one Bum bum.
One thing you’ll never have Andrew, is a sole mate. you live in fantasy land of I know it all.
Bill’s Americanophobia not xenophobia, he’s not contemptuous of all foreigners just our colonial cousins from across the pond.
Don’t apologize Bill, the bloke chats bubbles. Matt Law tells it how it is and his reply? Nothing, no reaction other than to make it all an anti yank thing and why’s that?
Because you can’t defend the indefensible.
I bet he’s a sceptic.
What that old saying BWS?, mr know a lot, knows a lot of rot.
I do have a reaction, in fact I agree with him on a lot of the ideas. I just love Bill’s constant stupid and baseless put downs of Yanks. His Xenophobic comments are hysterical.
The hammer falls on Lerners head. He is the problem. Fans yesterday where saying for Lerner to go at Sunderland every fan has coped on now,to Lerner. Something stinks really bad at Villa, Clark for Ireland is playing great stuff and for Villa he is crap.
Can you make that a lump hammer?
a lot of you talk about this transfer window and what sort of players we need.
my opinion is do some deals for players who fit the championship but let them stay with their clubs till may.
once the season is over remove any players who dont fit the bill and promote some youth who look interested then bring those signings through.
off the field ticket prices need slashing on a big scale and at least try to fill villa park as we are going to take a big hit money wise anyway.
getting back is number one priority and getting the fans onside is key to that. a half filled and soulless stadium wont help regardless of what opinions we have of how the club is run.
if we want new owners we have to be in the promised land ready for a fresh start.
That’s an interesting thought Andrew1 and I can see the logic.
Get them in the bag, but don’t let them be destroyed in the Prem.
I can’t see the club going for that though.
And aren’t players more expensive in the winter?
As for ticket prices, I think many fans would agree.
Cut the ticket prices to keep the crowds up. You also have the bonus where the bigger the crowd, the more food and drink etc you sell, which is all extra profit as the costs don’t increase.
Unfortunately there’s two hopes of that happening.
At best, prices will be frozen, in my opinion, even if it means the crowds practically fall by half.
It’s a joke, as ticket prices ought be halved at least, if the Prem really is as good as it’s made out and being out of it is really such a loss.
I’ll bet the number-crunchers are working overtime as we speak.
And they still won’t come to the correct decision.
That said, we shouldn’t be surprised, should we?
Yes but you get to see more games in championship which is what club will use as a counter argument. It’s pointless getting a ST for next year who wants to watch championship football when your used to prem. Plus you will find a great percentage of games will be live anyway. Anyone supporting Lerner in any league needs to be certified imo
BWS, this Andrew1 knows what he’s talking about. would you say,
Sounds a reasonable proposition but this is Randy and his merry bunch of incompetent followers we’re talking about Bill so it”l probably be plan (what are we up to now, X?).
Plan X being – mediocre, past it and cheap but with an analysis that incorporated more than 200 variables.
Can’t wait.
Lerner dosnt care anymore he prob did initially but not now. As far as he’s concerned we can go into the Vauxhall conference as long as he still makes money. I will never spend another penny in this club until he goes not that he will care almost of the money he gets is to money
Where has all debt came from we where in the top six three seasons running yes with a bit of outlay but downing milner young delph took in 70 m in sales we were on TV all the time had good kits in Nike how the fuck could a knob Lerner fuck it all up is he taking management fees every year no money spent on ground did up the pub for what
Just watching Everton spurs under Mon we were equal to both of them now their reserves would both beat us
Part of me thinks we need this relegation to get rid of all the crap disinterested players and have a fresh start.It is our turn we have been hanging on in fear for long enough what’s the point continuing in that manner with the fear of relegation hanging over us like a dark cloud each season.As my Baggie fan says at work it’s just our turn and without it we will stay as we are.I get what he’s saying even though he’s a baggies fan and probably loving it a little that we are relegated he says they had to go through the same to rebuild character,get rid of the hangers on and get some players in who wanted to fight for Albion.That is exactly what we are about to do.We may drop a league,lose some TV money but we will have a new team.The likes of Richards,Lescott,Amavi,Vertout,Gil,Traore,Sanchez,Gana,Guzan,Ayew,Sinclair and maybe even Bacuna will all be sold.This will be a fresh start a new dawn for Aston Villa let’s embrace it and get used to the idea of the Championship might aswell it’s going to happen soon isn’t it.UTV
Lescott won’t leave, unless Garde tells him too. He’s a Villa fan after all. Neither will Richards. No chance anyone is stupid enough to take Sinclair on. We’ll lose 3-5 players. Ayew, Veretout, Sanchez, Amavi and probably Traore but very rarely does any relegated squad lose a host of players. Look at Hull, they didn’t.
So why not drop the whole defence and throw reserves in. What is the point of sticking with Guzan and Lescott those 2 have cost us nearly every goal we’ve conceded between them so far. Drop them both I’d rather put Gestede in defence to be hinest
Guzan hasn’t cost us a goal in like 2 months. Do you actually watch the games? Lescott, Richards and especially Hutton have all cost us goals, yes. Especially Hutton.
Are u having a laugh he was responsible for two goals on Saturday. Should of saved second goal from Defoe no keeper should be beat near post and second goal him and Lescott were both involved in comedy of errors that led to third
Agree with Hutton which is why I say whole bk 5 should be dropped Lescott Hutton and Guzan especially. Ruchards should only play if it’s at right bk if not don’t pick him
I know they may baffle you, but goal keepers are beaten by their near post all of the time. I could find a compilation of Neuer, De Gea, Courtois, hell even Buffon and Casillas doing it.
Richards, Hutton and Lescott are Championship players at best. They’ll be helpful when we go down at least.
It’s not just that one mistake it’s other howlers like palace away for example Leic game I could go on. Most half decent keepers save u 10 plus points a season Guzan has prob cost us that many. Without him Lescott and Hutton we’d be at least 10-15 points better off and be around the 20 point mark with a good chance of survival
So much for money ball tactics the idea was to but French players and flog them for 3-4 times as much now they would be lucky to get half their money back