I couldn’t get a preview post up, because I was simply too busy doing other stuff, apologies.
Whatever, it didn’t matter as the ref’s decision to pull the game back after Lansbury had scored what seemed a legitimate goal, led to quite a few replies anyway.
Okay, we lost this game, but to be honest, I’m not really bothered about that.
We’ll lose a lot more games this season, without a doubt and the reasons why are much more important than a ref’s decision.
So what went wrong?
Well, if you asked me to rate the players, the only one who would score over 5 would be Heaton, who I’d probably give a 7-8.
I then struggle to rate any other player above a 5/10.
A comment that I don’t think I’ve ever made before, which strikes me as odd in itself.
I can’t put my finger on it, but we got this one totally wrong.
The wingers were totally non existent, our midfielders didn’t get a look in, whether attacking or defending and was Wesley on the pitch?
The fact that John McGinn was equally anonymous today, says it all.
It takes some doing for him to not get into a game.
Unless we give Crystal Palace and Roy Hodgson some proper credit in saying that they totally negated anything we tried to do.
Yes, you can bitch and moan about the goal that wasn’t given, but quite simply, Palace bested us in every way.
We had a bright start, but Palace over-ran us at will for most of the game, because of their pacy attack.
Of course, it didn’t help that we had four bookings on our part, before Palace got their first and that no doubt makes players nervous.
But I have to say that many of those bookings were deserved, if you’re a ref who’s reading everything to the rules.
Which is where things should have been replicated on Palace’s part.
Yet they weren’t.
There was a blatant stamp, that went un-punished very shortly after one of our players had just been booked for the same thing.
How does that work?
I’m moaning about the ref, but it doesn’t matter.
When you’re in the Prem, you have to overcome this sort of stuff, as it’s what happens.
I personally think today was a reality check and a glimpse of what we’re going to see much more of.
Comments
88 responses to “Palace 1-0 Villa; Sorry, but we weren’t good enough.”
I take it that PL works under the badge of the FA,
I’m not so sure this was genuine, I took this from a site of angry Villa fans.
He told me personally a few years ago at a referees awards night the delight he took in deliberately giving decisions against us in a game against Stoke ‘cause he hates Villa’. As a referee myself I have to keep my opinions on him to myself. Needless to say he’s a ‘legend in his own mind’.
TBF we didn’t deserve a point today but no matter how many times you look at his performance today it was totally shocking and chalking off a perfectly good goal for us is well within his remit. All teams have an injustice from time to time but he has history & should never be allowed near the club again.
The issue for me Bill is that, arguably, we’ve had unsympathetic (That’s my politically correct way of putting it) referees in three of our four games – unsurprisingly we won the other game!
Now, I’m not saying that would have changed the Spurs / Bournemouth results but it might have done. Remember v Bournemouth how Billings got away with blue murder and was subbed immediately after being yellow carded! Should have been sent off first half imho.
But then I’m a one eyed Villa fan 🙂
the Bournemouth match is a great example of villa not getting the decisions and it playing against us with the result. you mentioned billings he made like 6 or 7 serious fouls in 45 1st half minutes. three of them were right after he received a yellow card. then compare this to villa palace, were we received 4 yellows from 6 or 7 fouls by the whole team, palace made same amount of fouls and no yellows.
also to note in Bournemouth game, they constantly stopped villa talking quick free kicks, they never got received a yellow for that offence, but villa constantly complained then to my amazement we stopped them once and got cautioned straight away.
to note on the yellows against place 1st, none of them were warranted, just my opinion they were bordering yellows/ none were seriusly bad fouls just badly timed , but having shown villa yellows, then the referee had to do the same to palace, but the same types of fouls palace made got nothing but award of free kick,
zaha did taylor with a late tackle and taylor did him back with a identical foul,but received yellow, no doubts about it and i said it during game and straight after, that we got robbed.
manager and players have responded well. acknowledged that they can not say much about it without receiving penalties for speaking bad about referees. but the media have told the truth and hung the ref out to receive the bad press. which is all we could ask for. referees will all think twice before screwing with us hopefully in the future. all we ask is a fair crack.
I don’t know whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing having an international break right now. It’s been a poor start (aided by numpty refereeing and VAR)
Hopefully we won’t see our best players coming back with any injuries.
also with all attention on us getting done over by our friend. nobody mentioned ohare scoring
Love that Nath – he will be for ever known as ‘our friend’ 🙂
Just had another thought – ‘our friend’ reminds me of Gollum in Lord of the Rings!
I saw O’Hare scored on “Midlands today” this evening.
Well done kid!
I honestly think the goal not given will prove a small part of this season overall.
It’s a distraction in the scheme of things, imo.
It would seem I don’t have many who agree with me on this one, but “Guest” does.
Which is fair do’s, either way.
Look, this site is designed to generate debate.
To be honest, I haven’t done very well in that area lately, as there’s been very much a consensus amongst Villa fans in which way we’re going.
But in truth, the site has become just a bit too comfortable, just as “Guest” suggests. It’s needed a nudge from him to remind me.
However, the tone of replies on BOTH sides is disappointing, to say the least.
Quite simply, we’re all on the same side and we aren’t about the sort of debating you see on the Birmingham Mail replies.
Otherwise, I can of course resort to the “SOTC” type comments and let some of the old idiots on, that just lower the tone of things.
All I’d ask is that we keep replies civil, please.
Badger, I have to say that I disagree with you when you say the site has ‘become too comfortable’. Sure, my comment was meant tongue in cheek but do I have to put a smiley after it? Also for Guest (and we know who that is) to reply in a personal way is not necessary. OK, maybe my ‘pot calling kettle black’ was unnecessary in which case I apologise.
I reckon you’re being too hard on yourself – I think the site is great – we don’t always agree but the debate is alway civil and constructive.
You’re probably right about the goal but much of the anger vented on here is about the shortcomings of the refereeing and of VAR and that’s understandable and likely to create a consensus amongst Villa fans who, I think, by and large feel we’ve had a raw deal so far.
And for the record – Guest, there is absolutely no hard feelings on my part and hope you will continue to contribute whether or not any of us agree or otherwise with your views 🙂
“But in truth, the site has become just a bit too comfortable, just as “Guest” suggests. It’s needed a nudge from him to remind me.
However, the tone of replies on BOTH sides is disappointing, to say the least.”
Well Badger I will disappoint no more.
Pat, it’s a molehill not a mountain.
I know Badger and he really cares about the site and puts a load of work into it on our behalf.
I hope you will continue to post and support the site.
Also suspect that the reference to comments on both sides was directed at Guest and me!
Pat 57.
Give over mate.
Nothing was aimed at you.
It’s just a reminder, more than anything.
Anyone who is allowed to post on here, has a highly respected opinion on my part, regardless of if I agree with it or not.
And that includes those who don’t come on here too often.
You have to be really abusive, personally, to get banned by me, as I know how emotions get heated.
Remember last season and Warnock going on all the time about all the officials being against his team ……..I understand now.
nothing wrong with the site or the way its being run, ]important topics are always well covered, off course we might get sometimes heated and sometimes disagree. but that will always happen. sometimes there are more than one right answer to the solution.i think we all respect the fact we all support villa and understand we sometimes might get angry and heated at times.
but after we remove of differences on the surfaces we are all claret and blue underneath. vtid
Totally agree! This site is great for sensible conversation. Other sites including Twitter etc resort to name calling, especially if Villa are in a bad run. I like to read people’s opinions on here because for the most part, are honest and express facts, sometimes finding out things I wasn’t aware of.
To everyone on here who posts, I say keep on posting as we are all VTWD!
Good on you Holte66.
Hitchens,
Absolutely no hard feelings at all, when i called you a wally, i really did not mean any malice, as i’ve already said, i use the term Wally like a term of endearment, think Del Boy speaking to Rodney.
However, you do not need to speak on behalf of everybody else, i’m assuming you were once a business owner now retired?
I’m not sure who you think i am … ‘Also for Guest (and we know who that is)’ but i can assure you i am not somebody you think you know masquerading as somebody else, my name is Gavin, i have recently moved to Cornwall (hell of a lot of Brummies down here, my neighbour on one side is from Solihull, the other from Worcester, weirdly, this morning on TV, the local news was set to Central news, it’s like little Birmingham here), i have a two and half year old son and i’m self employed, if you would like any other information so that i can prove my identity, feel free to ask, i just didn’t come up with a natty username like everyone else.
Just out of pure curiosity, who do you think i am?
I may not post regularly but i visit this site every day without fail, even when i am on holiday, as sad as that sounds.
Badger, apologies, i really do not want to bring the tone of the site down, it obviously gets heated when we do not do well.
Bill, you’re a legend mate, this site needs more like you.
Pat57, please don’t call on Badger to give warnings over something as innocuous as the word Wally, if that offends you that much i have no idea how you have made it this far, i’m assuming you are either 57 years old or was born in 1957? Either way mate, your old enough to know better. Nobody likes a snitch.
To anybody i may have offended, please accept my apologies, we are all on the same team, my comments were tongue in cheek but i can see how it looks when it’s just text on a screen.
UTV
Guest,
I think (and we know who that is) is another comment that, in hindsight would have been best left unsaid – let’s just leave it at that.
I certainly don’t speak for or profess to speak for others on this site – my comments are my own and should be taken as such.
Yes, I was in business and now retired not that I see that as being particularly relevant.
I agree with you that words on a piece of paper are often taken too literally and misinterpreted whereas face to face the spoken word is made in association with inflexions, emotions and smiles (maybe sometimes snarls 🙂 ) anyway I shall attempt to make better use of the smiley emoji in future!
Look forward to crossing swords again in the near future 🙂 🙂
I have to agree, wink and smile smilies make a big difference.
It’s why I often use them, if I think something maybe taken the wrong way.
I totally agree that the written word is nowhere near as good as the spoken stuff, but it’s all we’ve got on here and it is what it is.
Pat, please continue to comment and don’t take general reminders too personally from my part.
Meanwhile, I continue to think about what’s worth commenting on 🙂
The only emoji I know is a smiley – perhaps you should do a master class in emojis Badger 🙂
Smile : – )
Wink ; – )
Frown : – (
Without the spaces.
It’s all about the shift key on the colon.
Lesson 1 taken on board 😉
Looks like the PL still aren’t satisfied with the sale of Villa Park:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49600851
“Infamy, infamy…”
Maybe the Prem should just do away with relegation and adopt the American franchise model as the odds are already stacked against promoted sides!
On the other side, if Derby’s ground has been independently valued at £80m then perhaps the PL are actually investigating the theft of VP by Sawiris / Edens for £57.8m 🙂
I really can’t see what the fuss is about. Sale or transfer of assets is normal business practice and as long as the asset is not artificially overvalued (because of the possibility of related parties) then just move on!
“Earlier this summer, it was reported that some Premier League clubs wanted the apparent loophole closed.”
In other words, it’s still an open loophole and imo, the PL won’t be able to do anything about it.
It’s a non-story to my mind and as the club have said “it’s standard practice” to do a review.
If they want to stop it happening, they’ll have to change the rules.
And I don’t see how they could do it anyway, as surely it would be a restriction of trade?
I can’t see how they can do that – change the rules that is. Surely the club is free to trade any of it’s assets in any manner it sees fit as long as it complies with the various relevant regulations and laws.
Perhaps they should spend more time explaining to Bolton and Bury fans how FFP works given that neither, to the best of my knowledge, were in breach. Forget debt, it’s all about cash and liquidity!
Sorry that should have said forget losses
I am sure they can change the rules Hitch. FFP is something that doesn’t happen with other areas and would probably be unlawful. I think the issue will be looked at and some kind of rule may end up being applied, but not retrospectively. That would open the PL to a big legal action. Whatever is applied, teams will seek ways round it, just like Man City with their stadium sponsorship.
I really believe any club owner should be able to invest whatever they like, as long as they don’t load the club with unsustainable debt.
Like I said Hitch, after the refereeing weve seen and now this, I’m starting to think the PL powers have it “infa” AVFC.
I frequent multiple Villa blogs and have done for best part of 18 years and still like this one the best. I may not post on every thread but I’ve been diehard Villa for 35 years and I think this site has more optimistic yet blended with realism vs other sites who seem to enjoy ripping the club apart rather than supporting. Badger you do a great job and enjoy the thought you put into posts unlike a certain narcissist who runs one of the original big sites not named.
Cheers, Tex.
I post things as I see them; No more, no less
And bloody hate international breaks 🙁
Roll on the Claret & Blue shirt recipients 🙂
I have a view on other Villa sites and it’s that they’re all informative at times.
I agree and disagree with stuff sometimes, but ultimately we’re all on the same side.
Vive la difference, but I’m sure it’s all UTV! 🙂
Bulgaria showing how and why not to play out from the back, this evening. Why exactly do teams do this again? Bizarre. You have possession of the ball and have the chance to get it into the opposition half in a second and get into the attacking third. But instead, you choose to put yourself under pressure deep in your own half. Can someone explain that with any logic please?
Because the option is to lump it and probably lose the ball?
It’s a tricky one and I’ve even accused Mings of dallying and looking for a near pass at the back, where he’s been caught out.
The truth is probably that retaining possesion is usually the best bet, but it often scares me.
It doesn’t help when you realise that Bulgaria are frankly Division 2 level.
Yet they still caught us out, a couple of times.
Maybe, Badger. But lumping it suggests an aimless long ball. What’s wrong with an accurate goal-kick won in midfield and an attack starting from the halfway line, rather than your own goal-line, which is ridiculously risky?
It seems Taylor has had a mare for Wales;
https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/aston-villa/aston-villas-neil-taylor-slammed-by-wales-fans-after-horror-showing
I’m tempted to ask if anyone can think of a worse left back at the Villa, but who was that mug we got from Sunderland a few seasons back? His name escapes me.
Oh yes, Richardson,
Utter dogshit.
I’m sure along with many others, I’m surprised we didn’t strengthen there, but what do I know?
Oh. we have Targett.
But he doesn’t start?
Targett started and got injured against Crew, Badger.