Oh dear, oh dear, what to say?
I had the game on Radio WM, but the site’s SSL security certificate ran out which meant that you were probably seeing a warning about the site being unsafe. Let me reassure you, it isnt.
Anyway, I updated the certificate, only for the site to crash, which meant I was working on that and didn’t really concentrate on the commentary.
Hence any real assessment is vague at best, but the general tone of the commentary was easy to catch and when you hear “worrying”, “no shape” and “poor” etc, you have to be concerned.
I’ve said previously that our first few fixtures are tough and I hinted that I didn’t think we’d have many points racked up, which would probably lead to fans calling for Bruce’s head.
But from what I’ve seen on various other Villa sites, it seems the clamour has started already.
Now of course, it’s still very early days, but we’re already five points down on the league leaders and you have to wonder how much of a lead we might be able to pull back before it’s too late to challenge.
The most single worrying thing today was the comment that “Cardiff are a very average side, that will finish around tenth at best, yet they still beat us comfortably”.
So where does that leave us?
By the sounds of it, Warnock did his homework and targeted our right side, meaning Hutton had a shocker.
But more worryingly, it seems our defence was utter rubbish today, something I find strange given that we are supposed to have beefed it up. Words like “slow” maybe justify why some of us were concerned by Terry’s signing.
And just maybe my viewpoint about playing our “best” eleven so they get to know each other was also justified?
I don’t know.
As I said, it’s early days. Nothing is certain yet and Cardiff away is never going to be an easy game.
But we have another tough game coming up, away to Reading.
Are we confident that we’ll get anything there?
We need to start gaining points, even if they’re only single one’s because if we don’t, the season will be over before it’s really up and running.
I wonder what Tony Xia is thinking?
No reasonable owner is going to sack a manager this early, but you have to wonder how many poor performances he’ll tolerate.
I’m also intrigued as to how some of our more positive posters are going to react to this result.
I expect some very lively debate!
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316 responses to “Cardiff 3 – 0 Villa; The clamour begins”
New set of players – old adage – put the kids in the side they can’t do any worse.
Now where have I heard that before 🙂
The recent succession of managers who have failed have a common thread IMHO. They have all succumbed to a negative mindset, through fear of losing. I expected it from McLeish, although he himself recognised that the fans demanded decent attacking football. Bruce is just another in a long line of cautious types who can’t get a team of talented players to perform with any conviction. We need a manager with the guts to play a more attacking system and who has confidence in his players abilities. Not Bruce then.
Fear of failure. That’s what it’s all about, especially with British Managers who are very aware that they are an endangered species, hence the guarded defensive approach. Add to the fact post MON, L****r consciously wound down the club and destroyed the reputation of everyone he hired and gave them absolutely zero chance, the complete ****.
Dr T has come in and done the right thing when using his heart but has little footballing experience and little luck so far. I just hope he’s more patient than the previous owner. We need a bit of luck that we get the right Manager but Bruce doesn’t seem like the one even though he did stop the freefall under RDM who was an awful choice.
Why does everyone who comes to Villa Park crumble? Haven’t got the foggiest idea but it’s not a gypsy curse or pressure from the fans. We expect little more than most other fans from England’s top 50 clubs supporters, although premature booing is spectacularly counterproductive behaviour. We need to encourage our players, not give them stage fright.
We’ve simply got to sit it out for now until we as a club get it right as one thing is for sure, this sense of frustration is at the heart of the infighting on this blog. We all want the same thing and aren’t daft enough to expect Dr T’s promise of CL football anytime soon, if ever!
To me it seems the futile nature of being anyone but a top 6 side has ruined football for us all. What’s the point in all honesty? Quite frankly I’ve given up and rarely pay attention to the game anymore which is truly a sad thing. I’ve loved AVFC for over 40 years and now that relationship has ended. I blame the money in the game 100% for that.
Sorry to put a downer on things, but most of my age group have given up as well so Sky, Murdoch, BT, The Premier League – you can stick the game up your arse because you’ve fecking ruined it.
It would seem that the bookies fancy us for Snodgrass at 4/9 with the next price being Sheffield Wednesday at 16/1. Does that suggest someone knows something?
Has brucey took him golfing yet????
No Giddy he’s giving him boxing lessons.
I saw that too Hitch.
Actually the second best price is for him to stay at West Ham, but I’m being pedantic 🙂
God knows why those odds have come about, as I just don’t see it happening.
Would the Golds/Brady loan him to us? I’m not convinced.
Would be a good signing though.
explain badger why snodgrass would be a good signing,where is he going to play ,what formation,silva shifted him from hull fairly quick,bilic only signed him in january wants rid why?,we have squad full of players maybe someone with a brain to manage them would be a better idea
Serious question JV. I don’t want this to sound offensive mate but are you like this in ‘everyday life’ or is it only on here? I’m curious mate, that’s all!
what has every day life got to do with on here,how many people do you know like hutton earning[robbing] 30/40 thousand a week,bruce has spent enough ,signed enough has beens,snodgrass fits that category sorry badger 45 games for hull 11 goals,15 games for hammers no goals seems injury prone too not many games last 3 years
and i am more than happy every day life just not the crap villa deliver,dont believe in bullshit which some are happy to read and like
7 goals and 3 assists in 20 appearances for Hull tells me he isn’t too bad.
But, yes, point taken.
it won’t happen anyway, imo and it’s only come about because of the Hull link, imo.
JV…thanks for your answer! 😃
i said we were signing Snodgrass lol he is a decent player too
I should perhaps have added that Dr. T has already knocked the Snodgrass rumour on the head and Bruce has also said that just signing more players isn’t the answer.
I will see if my man tweets any news!
Good article here, written by Matt Kendrick, that probably sums up what most of us think;
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-lost-swagger-steve-13475770
Lots of sense in that BM article IMO…..we shouldn’t fear losing with the squad we have. With regards to Snodgrass, you do realise that the bookies use this ‘ploy’ quite often to entice punters that should know better,,,,,and that’s not me saying that it won’t happen!
Ah – one lives and learns – didn’t know that Langford not that it really matters as I don’t bet. I can think of better causes to give my money to 🙂
Good article; thanks Badger.
The most telling line ‘he (Bruce) told me he lies awake at night during the season through fear of losing…’ If he’s transmitting those sort of negatives to the team it starts to explain the ‘fear’ which seems to hold them back.
They say the best form of defence is attack – just give it a right good go that’s what the fans want.
Snodgrass is a dent player, he is very creative and exactly what villa lack. Hogan needs somebody to pick him out when hes making his runs. but will Snodgrass end up like the other players we sign a poorer version a clone of their former selves
I wouldn’t say he’s made his mark at the hammers,if he came to us he’d probably be even worse with this villa curse
Ps we could do with that little fat woman in poltergeist, ‘this club has been cleansed’
Gabby is ‘a little fat woman’ perhaps he can help?…maybe not! 😃
fell off my seat lol cheers giddy….. sign her up
On a brighter note! Villa kids 3 Albion 1….maybe time to give them some gametime?
And when’s that ever happened in recent history???
On that note Brucesaurus Rex hasn’t even named Callum O’Hare (one of the few highlights of the season so far) in the squad against Reading.
Agreed…not often enough imo. I’ve never believed in the ‘he’s too young to be put under pressure’ BS. Callum O Hare should have played tonight imo. RHM didn’t play last night though so perhaps he’s in the squad for Reading!
when villa finally change their playing style, Doyle-Hayes will be right in the middle of our midfield. I have no doubts. he has it all vision and passing abilities technical abilities. I really want to see this kid given a chance to display his game. maybe he would complement playing in front of jedinak and Whelan. but he is now in direct competition with onomah
if we fook up this season, which looks more likely again. then we should look to give the youth more of a go, blood um in. because we will have to play more youth next seasons as the playing wage budgets diminish.
its too early to press the panic button now. but going off the Cardiff game the radio reporters where ecstatic and falling about laughing, they were told later in a interview to calm down by wrnock himself. who gave a good interview saying he thought he caught villa at the right time. was he being nice or telling the truth. this game at reading will tell us more. are we going to flop another season away or does bruce’s team have the guts for a fight. something which all bruces teams have is fight.
Nath, your on the same wavelength as me on what we have seen up till now, i had my suspicions of how this might pan out with the friendlies, i personally put it down to plain ignorance on behalf of our backroom staff, a few weeks ago Nath I had the pleasure of talking to Gordon Cowens and asked him why did you leave Villa, he replied by pointing to the shy and saying he couldn’t get on with them upstairs, i didn’t put two and two together in that reference but I’m beginning to wonder if interference of bigger power minded staff is making things difficult to ground staff. I might be wrong and its only imo Gordon did wonders for young players and I know that boardroom and owners think they know it all, i only hope now that we win this next game.
Sid should have got a job for life at the Villa imo.
Nath me & Langford are keeping an eye on Facebook to see if there is anyone streaming the match tonight we’ll keep you & anyone else updated UTV
Hope we find something. 2 nil Villa
I think we’ll get something out tonight’s game (as the song goes – Things can only get better!)
Bruce looks like he’s got his arse right in his hand and changes are afoot, 0-1.
I saw someone on the Live from the Stands group say “Giddy” and thought they must be talking to you.
I watched the cup game and some of the Cardiff game on there. Better than nothing.
Some people on that group actually wanted Tim Sherwood back though. Laughable
Your correct mate someone does know me as giddy, like you say some streams are better than others surf through them should be a load tonight it’s free so can’t argue & yes sherwoods name keeps popping up to me that’d be a step backwards again some will disagree 👎 UTV
i hope we can get a link tonight.
Gordon cowans I agree what a legend. 🙁 job for life surely he has earned that at his club. I recalled our reserve team beating man utd with ferguson watching. we had the likes of barry bannan and mark albrighton playing, McDonald was coach but cowans was also there. villa played some really attractive football. was one touch stuff slick passing and always forward. ferguson was saying how impressed he was with villa and albrighton. where did it all go wrong 🙁
Nath join AVFC – live from the stands reborn on Facebook someone’s said there streaming it but I’m mentioning no names put a request in to join now you should be accepted quite quickly & away you go UTV
There will be multiple streams tonight from the villa group above on Facebook enjoy folks UTV badger if you’ve got to delete these posts I understand
Got me new nails and lingerie on so I’m good to go lol 😀😀
😁
I will try just logging in fb now
talksport reporting barry joining WBA . hmmm disapointing .
Not a single kid, not even RHM in the squad. What a surprise.
Johnstone
De Laert-Chester-Terry-Taylor
Hourihane-Whelan-Onomah
Bjarnnason-Hogan-Green
Looks the most likely of how we’re setting up. About time we dropped Hutton though, and Lansbury deservedly not starting either.
I suppose greens a pensioner
Green’s been in the first team since Sherwood.
He’s a kid still ain’t he???
Fine, I’ll give you Green and throw in Bree who’s on the bench. Are we happy now?
Team looking good here’s hoping UTV
I thought RHM may have at least made the bench tonight, or is he injured again?
omomah was in the England under 20 or was it 19’s last summer
bruce is damn if he does or damned if he doesn’t lol hes dropped hutton and Lansbury. de laet is a brave call bree was the safer option
Nath your right some on Facebook wanted changes so they get the changes & now are starting whingeing about the players on the bench there’s no fucking winning is there someone was whingeing why lansbury & gabby aren’t starting ffs specsavers spring to mind UTV
your a genius giddy I think I have a link HD lol fingers crossed
There’s a lot of live streams on Facebook. How do these people actually show streams from Facebook account are they actually there streaming the match or do they get it abroad and stream it back on fb
I got approved my names down. I have a adblocker installed on my lappy hope this won’t affect my access to link cos I don’t know how to disable it
I praised him for the two drops. And he’s going to play him, he did bring him in on loan. More meant our youth. But I guess they played yesterday so two competitive games in two days is asking a lot.
” live from the stands reborn on Facebook someone’s said there streaming it but I’m mentioning no names put a request in to join now you should be accepted quite quickly & away you go UTV “….
No idea what any of this means…can thickos watch it somewhere ?
Lol 😂 it was me go on Facebook look for that villa group request to join once accepted use the groups page I’m not IT wise but it’s straight forward mate
I did that and put a post on but figures was added 88 for some unknown reason. Watching Liverpool game now.