I watched this, but actually managed to miss our goal and the highlights of it, somehow; go figure.
Either way, it doesn’t matter.
Why we started with Samba in a back three against a well known lively Bristol attack, is totally beyond me and you have to call Bruce’s tatcics out here.
The disaster was corrected after about 20 mins, but it put us on the back foot from the off.
The simple question is, who looked the better side today?
It wasn’t us, by a long chalk, in my opinion and while we came back into it later on, we never deserved to win that game.
And While Bristol won’t be challenging for the league title, on that showing, they’ll finish higher than us.
And that isn’t good enough!
They had shape and more importantly, a plan.
Whereas we seemed devoid.
Big shout out to those who were there, as they deserved a lot better than what they got.
Does anyone think all is well? We are on 5 points from 5 games and 10 points off top position. We have been garbage for much of that. We should be up there with Cardiff.
Millwall put the Norwich result in perspective and Wigan are a mediocre lower league side. When we start to play attacking football consistently I will be a Bruce fan. Right now I think he is pants.
It’s ok being optimistic as long as it’s grounded in something other than blindness.
To paraphrase something a bloke I once knew said ” I’ll show my arse in Debenhams window” if Villa get promoted under Bruce.
A million miles away
(sigh) 🙁
I have to say I’m thoroughly disappointed with this thread.
I thought we were better than that.
They need to hug it out 🙂
Badger there is a bullying culture from a select few (or should that be one?) and a few to dense to realise they’re simply towing his line.
What can you say? If some fella that frequents VP as often as a Zulu warrior aggressively pushing a ridiculously optimistic agenda there’s gonna be conflict.
Ban the prick.
Fortunately, I don’t feel like banning anyone, BWS.
But I’ll have no choice if I see that sort of rubbish being posted again.
And it doesn’t matter which side of the debate they’re on.
Certainly regulars know the rules already, but I’ll repeat them.
Robust debate is fine, but we ask that you reply to each other as if you were face to face,say in a pub.
And it’s not aimed at anybody specifically, but come on, we’re allowed to have differing views, yet still want the same thing, surely?
In the meantime, I’m going to leave the thread intact, so maybe some of us can reflect on how pathetic it reads.
Oh, if I hear any more talk of “agendas”, particularly when they’re aimed at me, there will be bans.
Do some people seriously think I have some sort of hidden agenda, when I run the bloody site and can say what I want? Which I do, regardless of how I think others will react.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I can be optimistic or pessimistic depending on what I see. And yes, I’m bloody fickle.
I will not be overly optimistic or pessimistic just because someone wants me to.
Bloody hell, that reminds me of when I used to lecture the kids years back 🙁
Fair comment badger but do you really believe one poster would be so conformational and so in your face in the boozer?
I think not.
He needs to draw his neck in mate, a bit of dignity and respect.
Absolutely not.
But in the boozer, there wouldn’t have been that sort of debate, would there?
I would imagine it would be lights out or certainly taken outside.
Unfortunately we don’t have that facility.
The point is no one wants to see people arguing like a couple of women.
I’d ask that whoever starts this slagging type of comment is reported to me via a mail.
And then I can warn the instigator before it gets out of hand.
Just don’t rise to it, as much as I realise supporting the Villa gives rise to serious emotions, to say the least.
To be honest mate if someone was so blindly optimistic in the real world as shall we say “he who will remain nameless” I’d either
(1) Ignore the twat
Or
(2) Humiliate him
Or
(3) Failing both of the above, clout the twat!
But this being cyberspace option 1 is the only realistic choice so it looks like I’ll have to run with it.
Yep, good choice, BWS.
I wonder if there’s a widget where people can filter/ignore other posters?
Doubtful, but I’m going to look into it now.
Lol…..your so funny Lol
Lol…you do make me laugh….tried emailing you as you suggested, but no wifi in your skip apparently….but yiu already knew that, didnt you? Lol
Conformational…..wonderful word….what does it mean? Lol
Lol….no free speech then, just as I thought. Thought you didnt have time to post?
Langford, you don’t help yourself do you?
How long do you think it takes to write a quick reply, as opposed to writing a post and proofreading it etc?
Of course there’s free speech, but not when it insults other people.
That’s it now, I’ve had enough and am not going to discuss it anymore.
Just carry on with your aggressive posting and see where it gets you.
And I’m not being insulted? Lol…..once again an attack on the positive! 🙂 :). Evident by yet another quick response by you! Just look at this page alone where Giddy, Hitch and I have all been insulted. And the ONLY time we have responded with aggression is in reply to the insults!.
No what you do is attempt to browbeat all or any that may have a differing view of things then failing that you then play victim.
BWS…stop doing ‘selective reading’. Giddy, Hitch and I have all been insulted on here, read back, its not made up!
You called Giddy a ‘happy clapper’ adding numerous expletives about him (for NO reason)! JV called Hitch a ‘bell end’ and you suggested that you were going to ‘clout’ me if you met me in the pub (I found that hilarious, but ithers may not accept that sort of agression)! Giddy, Hitch and I ONLY showed agression as a response to the insults. Giddy and Hitch insults from you and JV are absolutely nothing to do with me, so how can I claim to be a ‘victim’ in those examples?
Your insults against me, I just laughed as I’m not in the slightest worried about them! As for your question ‘would I be optimistic and positive in the pub’……that a definite yes from me! Just ask the guys I meet up with when Iattend games!
Classic bullying behaviour LV, get posters you perceive as your obsequious minions on side to stand your corner when this is about YOU and YOUR behaviour.
(And that’s not a pop at any of the named posters)
Please don’t bother replying as I’m passed caring and simply not interested.
Lol….WTF is a ‘ubiquious minion’? Another insult, I guess?
Still no answer why you insulted Giddy (again) neither!
I guess the hole that you have dug for yourself is too deep to escape from now, hence the reason why you don’t want a reply! Well guess what, you’ve got one!
I’m moving on. Good luck for the season ahead BWS (genuinely)! Take care!
what is happening to this villa web site ?? anybody catch the boxing last night ?? its getting tough to watch anything these days links being removed. I so wanted moneybags Mayweather to get knocked out
results in championship were good to us. Birmingham & derby losing Norwich getting hammered and I heard Middlesbrough struggled massively at home to Preston.
Adryanlist seems like a good kodi addon mate. Had a crystal clear stream for the boxing.
cheers mate I will look into that 🙂
the next four games are make or break for our season. I think we should all remain calm and wait to see the outcome of these 4 games. we have had a bad start we only have 5 points, which is poor. but we are not cut adrift by any means. Cardiff and Ipswich will fall and other contenders are also having a slow start.
I think the positive posters are just seeing signs that theirs a team capable of challenging for this league in our squad. then the negatives believe we wont amass to nothing again. well we don’t have long to wait to gloat either way. 4 more games and the table will take shape, to who will be up there and who will be struggling.
Good morning Campers, oops Posters, what’s that all about Badger? Am I the only sensible post then? I had a word with my two friends and was told its just banter.well I hope it was, if they don’t stop I’ll come round and bang their heads together for you, its nice in my mind to know we are an army of Villa fans and stick together at all cost. God bless us all. no I don’t go to church but I walk down church road.😂😂😂😊
Morning Bill….friendly banter indeed until someone writes ‘negative stuff’ just for the sake of it! Its quite pathetic mate and I’ll always defend the Villa family, just like I defend my own!
3 on here fell into their own ‘negative trap’ again within the last 2 days and lets just say they dont like being ‘outed’! Negativity at every opportunity (even before a ball was kicked) on Friday is so sad and so ‘anti villa’! Why run a Villa blog and then just criticise at EVERY opportunity! Its bullying at its worst. I have NEVER let anyone bully me throughout my life and I’m not about to start now!
Badger is one of the more optimistic posters on here, I think given our poor start to the season he’s entitled to be annoyed.
cheers giddy 🙂
Nath, it’s not about gloating at all, imo.
I’m sure we all want the Villa to start climbing the table, whatever the viewpoint.
I am not getting involved who’s right or wrong, as long as i am allowed to express my feelings. i will continue to post.
as gloating goes, iam sure this happen if it proves a point. I really don’t care myself, I know my own feelings stop with villa being successful, I think this season will become more clearer after the next four games. we win them all and we are up where it counts. the squad and team is far stronger than last year. better than many previous seasons. once they click I still think they will walk the league.
I think passions are high and if we are all villa fans, then we should cut each other some slack. because their are enough knockers of our club without us assisting them.
On a lighter note!
Does anyone think that we will sign/loan anymore players before the window closes on Thursday?
We didn’t get Gallagher who we wanted (allegedly)! Are we therefore in for a striker? If so, who? Crouch anyone?, he’s only the bench again today! Or would you rather just stick with Hogan and Davis until Kodjia is back? I hate the prospect of Gabby coming back into the starting 11 should Hogan and/or Davis get injured! what do you think? By the way, where’s RHM disappeared to again? Injured again? I would love Crouch on a 12 month deal personally. With Elmo and Snodgrass on the flanks I’m sure Crouch would be a great addition! And do we need another LB.
What do you guys think?
Crouch??
No pace, not great in the air, on silly money and would encourage SB to go route one.
Thanks but no thanks.
Fair enough comment. But I do think he can hold the ball quite well allowing our midfielders to get forward….similar to what Davis did against Norwich. I think its the thought of Gabby being brought back in that worries me the most!
And right in cue….Crouch has just scored the equaliser for Stoke lol
Imo he’s not as mobile as Davis, he (Crouch) has got a fantasic touch for a big fella but he can’t do what a Davis or say a Lukaku can.
But saying that if it’s between him or Shabby then get him in.
Absolutely not, why obstruct Davis’ first team run? He should be playing every game he can, what’s the point of bringing in the youngsters only to drop them again? Also Hogan is better suited to the game we want to play, sick of target men and route one football.
If you bother to read my posts you would see that I post neither positive nor negative but try to put forward a balanced view.
JV accused me of being ‘happy with a point (at Bristol)’ but nowhere have I said that. I felt Badger had over reacted with ‘shocking’ but noted that I was disappointed with the draw.
I stand by my view that their goal was offside (but also said I was not offering thus as an excuse) – if JV or anyone else for that matter disagrees – fine BUT why call me a bellend?
Hitch….agreed mate! Your posts always come accross as ‘balanced’ as far as I’m concerned! And yes, I probably look too positive to some! But I did slate the team for the displays in both Cardiff and Reading…..my criticism is generally aimed at lack of effort/desire etc. We have had a good 7’days IMO 2 wins, a draw and 9 goals scored! There are many, many clubs that would love to replicate that! But alas, thats not good enough for some who cant wait to criticise or be negative to the point where it borders on the ludicrous!
UTV
Get some perspective on this ffs, Millwall have just put 4 past Norwich with a squad with a combined worth of £8.51m compared to our £85.95m. (/www.transfermarkt.co.uk)
Agreed, we are not doing well enough, yet! Only 10% of the season gone though….dont worry, I’ll be moaning if we are not in contention by the end of October. Norwich are in trouble….but they did play better against us according to the media 🙂
What can you read into the Doc’s tweet “September will be crucial for us.”
If the results don’t go our way SB could be in trouble?
I’m waiting until the end if October to see how much we progress!
That’s a fair point BWS but trying to compare games is always tricky. As far as I’m concerned we won 4-2 on the back of two rubbish away performances and short of our best forward so that’s OK
Criticsm of the performance would be acceptable if we had lost the game! As I’ve posted before there is room for improvement – particularly the lack of clean sheets.
However, I’m prepared to cut Terry / Whelan some slack. Remember the criticsm of Jedinak over his first half dozen games – and his influence after that?
Look I have no particular brief for Bruce but I hope he succeeds because the one thing we need desperately is some continuity and stability.
Hitch you’ll get no argument from me mate, I hope Bruce goes into follow in the footsteps of SIR RON and George Ramsey, why wouldn’t I want him to succeed?
As for the comparison with Millwall and Villa it was more to highlight how poor Norwich are and perhaps we shouldn’t get carried away with the result.
Again excellent point BWS – like we shouldn’t have got carried away with the win over Rotherham.
One thing I would draw attention to is that appointing a young foreign manager is not a panacea for all our ills.
Re the Norwich game it should of been a dam sight more than 4 goals it wasn’t so it’s a case of coulder shudder wooder. Yes Norwich are piss poor & possibly the first manager to be chopped imo
I think them 4 games the doc means in sept are major. without rubbishing other teams we play. I think we are all looking at them and thinking nothing less than12 points. don’t know about sb in trouble, depends on how ruthless the doc is and how bad we do in the next 4. but if we don’t collect max then the rest of the season is uphill
I think we need one more players and its a forward type. somebody who can hold the ball up like davis. i am not endorsing long ball game. a player that can link up midfield and attack, we lack this type. Hogan can but its not his strongest asset. gabby can’t McCormack off with a decent off. kodjia can but he likes to get behind defences not linking up play
I thought Gallagher would be perfect for us. don’t think crouch is mobile like bws says. It may depend on reducing squad now and making do with davis until kodjia returns
McCormack off with a decent offer (was supposed to read)
Interesting comments by Snodgrass on Bilic playing him out of position – something Bruce is not innocent over.
It’s a point that has been subject to a lot of comment on here. I hope Bruce is listening and taking note.
ANDREW
Re: Foreign managers V British managers after 6 games:
Benitez/De Boer = 3 Points
Pulis/Hughes = 11 Points
You’ve reduced the deficit by 1 point.
International break!
I do love how you’re picking out the current two worst Foreign managers. Sadly though, every single British manager in the league combined don’t have the success of Benitez. So this comparison is moot.
By worst, I mean worst teams. I’d take Benitez right now if offered.
Andrew….NO, I picked the 2 managers that you ‘waxed lyrical’ about on many occasions. I also offered you the opportunity to choose ANY combination of the British managers in the PL,
I’ve also waxed lyrical on Koeman and Ponchettino pre-Southampton and Wagner all last season and this summer as well as Marco Silva all summer but it’s convenient how you forget those names but you keep harping on about two of about a hundred managers I’ve harped on about over the years. If that makes you feel better to attempt to prove my want for someone different than the crap British managers we always go for, sure.
If it makes you feel any better, I still stand by the stance I’d take Dyche any day.
Good god are people mentioning Crouch on here? Crouch isn’t even good in the air, he’s lanky, he can hardly jump. Unless he’s towering over some short guy, he won’t win headers for us like Kodjia can. He is actually semi-decent with the ball at his feet, but he’s a big No on the getting a new striker and him being it front. We mine as well should’ve kept Gestede.
If we absolutely need a striker and one that can hold a ball and is strong. Ashley Barnes should be it. Not that Burnley would sell or we could offer the money they’d want. Ulloa off Leicester wouldn’t be bad. He’s not the big, strong guy fans seem to want but a goal scorer nonetheless.
i have no idea who is available and fits the criteria. but I think its a awful big ask to burden Davis alone with this role. as I said other day the strikers we have currently, are players that enjoy getting behind defences. not the hard stuff,like having your back to goal working your socks off to develop moves. its unglamorous role, plus you take kicks for fun and pick up plenty knocks or injuries.
we will probably soldier on with no more incomings. they will try to reduce the number of players if anything. but just a thought couldn’t McCormack do this role. he did a much similar role at previous clubs. played as a second striker, much deeper. surely if you have a player, that could be beneficial to your cause and you cant sell him you must use him if hes still at the club.
in preseason he still looked off pace some, but he did look to have tried some. what happens when window closes, will he be sat on his own away from the squad or involved if he is still at the club.
Ok then, just as you wish. I’ll drop Pulis and substitute him for Dyche, happy now?
So you now have your 2 in De Boer and Benitez and I’ve got Hughes and Dyche. So now I have 8 points and you have 3, happy now you’ve robbed me of 3 points?
BTW….be a sportsman and have the courage of your convictions, its only banter!
And, BTW I’m not the only one who’s seen you ‘wax lyrical’ about De Boer and Benitez MORE than anyone else.but, hey ho…..you can perhaps convince yourself (but nobody else) that you didnt!
Embrace and enjoy!
You never know who Benitez and De Boer will sign before Thursday….My 2 are at a distinct disavantage in that respect!…..
Good Luck
International break
The above is for *******ANDREW**********,
Oh and why would I give you Dyche when i clearly stated he’s the only British manager I’d take at Villa? Other than Rodgers anyways.
With respect, Benitez is a far better manager than Bruce.
Every English manager going doesn’t have the combined success of Benitez. He’s miles better than all of them.
I don’t think I talked about De Boer much, but I’d still take him. Yeah he was poor at Inter and have been so far for Palace but I’d back him and Benitez all day. I don’t care who you choose lol. I wouldn’t be surprised if either Palace or Newcastle went down. Especially Palace. Absolute awful side.
I’m just not sure what you’re even doing lol. Is this a contest of British managers vs two foreign managers I mentioned in the past because if it is… I’d recommend a therapist lol.
guest
with respect you couldnt get a much more out of date manager than bruce
This international break would be the ideal time to make a managerial change…. if the club wait til the next one we’ll be too far behind again. Mistake after mistake being made, will this club ever learn
Villian1,
Can i ask you something? do you have an thing about Bruce because in my mind its far to early for any manager to be judged at this stage, we’ve gone through them bad months and its only fair to any manager to give them time. Some say two years but being a big club like us we want it now ,I have to admit I’d like it to be but knowingly we can’t. Villian1 be patience give him that respect and lose that personal dislike of him. Your a Villa fan, please act like one.
Jesus Bill what’s all that about?
V1’s probably bigger enough and ugly enough to defend him/herself but from what I’ve read in the above comment it’s just a case of expressing an opinion and isn’t that what this Villa forum is about?
And where in the above is SB slagged either professionally or personally?
Lanford’s better fan syndrome must be contagious.
Where the fuck has anyone claimed to be a better fan???? I haven’t seen it maybe you could enlighten us where & what remarks made to justify that comment stirring the shite springs to mind
Ps I suppose it’s an upgrade being called a superior fan from being called a c##t
Fuck me if ain’t Giddy the hardest fucker in cyberspace (who still lives at home with his mom!)
You are Lenny Small to Langfords George Milton and too fucking dense to see it!!
PS
Kiss my hairy arse.
And that’s not fucking personal badger AV a word he’s pissed up on a can of carling fucking wussy lmfao
What is that in English?
Can’t handle your piss?
How is the leg Lenny?
Unlike you smacking the missus around cus she’s smaller get help
To busy fucking ya mom Lenney.
Giddy Langfords little bitch and too thick to realise.
You obviously like fucking the dead then sick fucking perv
Least I got one to smack Lenny.
Lenny it’s supposed to be your umbilical cord that attaches you to ya mom not ya cock!
Oh right so that’s from experience obviously only a sick mind would think that
Lenny found a site that’s right up your alley…
www incestuousnecrophiliacs.com
BWS….you been on the cooking sherry again? Why are you so obsessed with me…..are you about to use the ‘C’ word on Giddy again. Pathetic! And don’t bother to accuse me if stirring this conversation up!
You really have poisoned this site you insidious little man.
I would love to meet you, I seriously would.
BWS….stop googling big words….I knew this would happen when wifi became available in Broadmoor! Lol
Wardern, put this man on bread, water….and lots of tranquilisers. Its easier to put a horse to sleep FFS
Stop hiding behind other posters you cowardly little prick.
Lol…..and your attack on Giddy’s family is despicable, the lowest of the low. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself!
At least I ain’t a nonce
I really would love to meet you.
A sad sad school ground bully that drags other people in to fight your corner,
Giddy, Gibby that nasty bws is picking on us go sort him out.
You’ve got an hard on now ain’t you you sad sack fucker?
What a weird dude….whats the weather like in Broadmoor? Lol
Billy Wank Stain I bet your little black books filling up nicely oooohhhh scarey lmfao
Aint what I heard Lenny.
I never thought that BWS, he might be a she? He or she keeps going on about getting rid , i don’t so that’s my take on the matter BWS, we know we haven’t a Jose, or Arsene, but we have a Bruce lets not kill the man yet give him a go at least. Im getting worried about you two Langford never is far from a conversation in posts we will have to have a drink together one day or even a coach trip to Wembley cup final.
Lenny and George busy typing away…
Dear Badger that nasty bws is being really mean to us please ban him so that we can carry being the biggest pair of swinging dicks on the site.
Sad pair of bastard’s.
That’s it, BWS, you’ve given me no choice.
You’re banned mate, at least for a while.
Shoot me a mail when you think you can keep your cool, but don’t bother before a week’s up.
Any more of it from anyone else and they’ll be banned too; no ifs and buts.
To be honest, I’m close to just shutting the site down totally, as it’s falling into disrepute, imo and I just don’t need it.
Jesus i have had the name Saddened on here for a few years, because of the downfall of our club, it now seems this site has gone the same way, people insulting each other for pleasure…..Why ??
Badger I salute you mate as you have more patience than me, keeping the site running and thanks, but I think i may give it a wide berth for a while !!
Stick with it Saddened.
I won’t be putting up with it anymore, from anyone.
No second chances from now on, so if people want to continue commenting on here, they’d better keep it clean.
What a load of old bickering. Ultimately I’m not sure what exactly Bruce has done in the last 11 months to justify the backing of any true Villa fan.
I’ll be honest, I never wanted Bruce for multiple reasons, all of which are now manifesting themselves, the negative and cautious approach to games, the narrow minded old school British approach to coaching, the wastage of money on transfers, the short termism just to name a few However, despite this the board chose their man and have given him fair time and opportunity as a manager, particularly given the trigger happy nature of the industry today. However, the truth is he has failed, again there are too many issues to list, for starters breaking up the one positive of last season, the CB partnership of Chester and Baker to accommodate a past it Terry and useless out of contract Samba, who was then used embarrassingly as a centre forward against Hull. Secondly, buying Scott Hogan for nearly 15m and using a system that leaves him entirely ineffective. I could go on…
Ultimately, lets be honest, the clubs that are successful are ruthless. We are “too nice” a club and unfortunately nice clubs don’t succeed. Its the same reason Arsenal have fallen behind the top PL teams with their blind loyalty to Wenger, another manager now well past his best (albeit in a class light years above anything Steve Bruce has ever offered).
All we are doing now is delaying the inevitable, the 5 games so far put us averaging a point a game, and whilst I think the run rate will improve slightly, it won’t improve enough for the top 6, never mind the top 2. You need to string together wins to get out this league and we haven’t done that once in the last 11 months, mainly due to our inability to win away games. I’m afraid given the financial advantage and resources over the rest of the league, that is unacceptable. Again, this isn’t a personal attack on Bruce, its needing a change to get the right person to deal with the expectation and pressure and someone with an actual vision.
I Think Bruce has enough to get us to 6th place but that’s about it. But he might not get the chance if we are not up to around 14/15 points by the time we played 10 games. We’ve got a very strong squad. Especially now Snodgrass can go right wing and Elmohamady can go to RB with Hourihane supporting the front man and Jedinak and Whelan in front of the back four. Hogan, Lansbury and Bjarnason will be pushing too. No excuse for Brucey not to at least scrape the play offs.
Jedinak and Whelan is too defensive, and there’s no point to dropping Onomah at the rate he’s going.