IanRobo has submitted the following and I have a bit of news for you.
He has requested that he become an author again, so he can get his points up quicker.
While some of you will no doubt be groaning, there’s absolutely no doubt that he knows how to get a debate going, which I’m sure we all appreciate. Oohah and myself are certainly glad to have him back and we knew he wouldn’t be able to stay away for long;
There are times when you look at the club and think they could not fall any lower. Today was one of those for Aston Villa.
We had two distinct events today.
The first was Lambert saying no one cared for the FA CUP. At no time did he qualify this and say he did, it was clear for us and many Clubs the FA Cup is a total irrelevance.
I HATE that. The FA Cup is special, so special that I would go to every game and have done so for the last 4/5 years because I want to win it. The League Cup for me is something we have won in my lifetime, we have never won the FA cup, obviously. For a club whose whole name was about the competition it is awful.
Some Villa fans may defend this, some may claim the PL is supreme but we can never win it and we are likely never even to be 4th. We have the chance to only win two trophies a year and the FA cup should be a focus. However who cares as long as we finish 17th and survive ?
So after this broke I get home from work and see Hairyhands on Villatalk has spoken. This guy is an ITK and is a true one, he is right. He has said that Kozak is out with an injury for the season. This was confirmed by Dave Woodhall on H&V, this appears true.
IMHO I believe that HairyHands is a journo (HairyHands is what Richard Keys used to be called) and that he gets told information by Lambert and/or club for their own purposes. I dealt with ITK’s before but never a journo and never directly from the club and never was I using the info to deflect attention away.
What I hate about this totally is that it appears to me that the news of this serious injury was leaked to deflect away from Lambert’s comments.
Just how awful is that to use a player’s injury to deflect the attention away ?
Have this grand club of ours under Lerner become so low to use a serious injury in this way ?
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123 responses to “Aston Villa hits the lows”
Hairy hands is an agent.As for Kozak no official statement from the club.As for the F.A cup be nice to have a run but Lambert is putting the prem 1st as he probably feels to stay in the prem & get as high as we can will benefit the club more financially.Now the league cup gets you into Europe different …..UTV
I thought Hairy hands was a guy who sits in the directors box at every game and spoke to Paul Faulkner on a regular basis
I can see where Lambert is coming from. There’s not much point winning the FA Cup if it takes away your energy from the league and ends up getting you relegated and then disappearing into obscurity. Just look what happened to Wigan. Also, Newcastle and Swansea both suffered from having the extra Europa League games.
Don’t get me wrong – of course I would like to see us win the FA Cup and the Europa League. However, at the moment, I don’t think we have a strong enough squad to be able to do that and stay in the Premier League. It is going to be a struggle as it is, let alone with the strain of extra games.
Hope the Kozak thing isn’t true. Gutted for him if it is. Just goes to emphasise how lightweight our squad is though.
I truly give up throw surrender and the towel in.
Fans have totally brainwashed and indoctrinated into this modern football bullshit. Ok we’ll hover just above the relegation places be premier league fodder for the chosen few and never have the ambition to win anything again. Just f##king peachy.
Been
Names I’m hearing ATM Popov,J.Jones & Defour
Ages Popov-26,S.Defour-25 & Jermain Jones 32 UTV
3 talented players, 1 being a DM, one being able to play as a DM or your natural CM and an AM. That basically solves our terrible midfield problem.
According to a mate at London Evening Standard we had 2 scouts at Palace Norwich game. 2 players were being watched. No idea who, but would guess they are Lambert’s exs from Norwich. possibly Hoolahan and Bennett?
Could be we are trying to flog lamberk back to Norwich in a part ex deal lol
Pilkington, not Bennett is what I’ve read.
Jones and Pilkington are in the press, cant see Jones happening he looks more like a McCleish signing and Pilkington could be lazy journalism but we do need a winger. Is he left or right sided?
Moyes and Lambert are pictured at a Porto game on twitter
Not that fucking jermain jenas again fuck that.
It’s good for the site Ian has decided to return as a regular poster but I’m intrigued to know why Dean (oohah) doesn’t write things for debate, considering he apparently part owns the site it’s pretty poor that his contribution is only that of other authors views.
Because he always posts from a tablet.
We all know they’re a bloody nightmare at the best of times, what with predictive text etc.
Plus, you should have already worked out that he isn’t capable posting of anything remotely positive, hence I’ve banned him from writing articles.
WHOA, only joking Oohah 😉
The first bit is true though.
If that’s the reason he doesn’t post topics for debates, because he uses a tablet, he needs help!! Seriously that’s a school kids excuse. I actually think it’s more to do with the fact he contraindicates himself and makes himself look a bit of a dick. But hey if your prepared to do the work why he reaps the rewards then that’s your choice.
Rewards?
I wish mate, but there aren’t any.
Ha ha B6 is right I Shoukd make more effort to post but I prefer to participate more in the comments plus I can’t write either 🙂
True b6 I will start contributing but I prefer to do more on comments than posts. But I will post soon.
I agree 100 percent with robbo if we lack the ambition to even compete in the cup competitions and our soul purpose is mid table mediocrity, nothing more than a cash cow to service the debt well just what is the point?
It’s poor from Lambert but it’s not surprising. Lambert struggles handling poor Premier League clubs, imagine teams from the lower leagues giving their all to make money and show their ability against Prem clubs having a go at Villa…
Unbelievable comments from Lambert. AVFC, one of the most successful teams in the FA Cup, now don’t care because it’s not important! I might agree if we were talking about the mickey mouse cup but the FA is different!
I can understand the point he’s trying to make, and there is some truth when saying league survival is vital and top priority but, still, a little more diplomacy with his comments can go a long long way.
The mumblings and speak before you think continue from our genius manager
Good to have your articles back Ian, no matter how bloody morbid they are, can’t wait to argue with you some more, this time your spot on though mate
Lambert out!
MD mate I will never understand it, simply lazy management. Any more than 38 games and we’re going to struggle? Horse shit, it’s not like we are competing on any other fronts and what is it another 6/7 games or whatever.
Absolutely right mate. Personally I’m dumbfounded, can’t believe it tbh, all of our unwanted records under Lambert and now he’s saying our great club don’t give a f*ck about one of the most traditional competitions in the game.
Lambert is just too embarrassing for words – Sack him now !
Since both Okore and Vlaar are injured, we’d be in a lot of trouble if Clark or Baker picked up an injury too, relying on Herd and perhaps Lowton or bringing in Donacien. The latter is looking very promising but Clark and Baker are still learning themselves. I’d rather see the second string, as it were, taking on the FA Cup. If they do well, draft back in Benteke etc. If not, it’s not the end of the world. Sadly the squad isn’t experienced enough to lose anyone to injury.
This is clearly an early excuse for when we get knocked out Saturday…..”Oh well we don’t care about it anyway, we’re more focused on the league” Blah blah blah. Its a cup competition ffs and we should be in it to win it!!!!!!!!!
Spot on matey.
yep, think you’re right there helenius mate
Rumours Spurs, Monaco and Besiktas are preparing loan bids for Lescot…..C’mon Lambert, sign the man pleeeeeeease
90k wages, not gonna happen.
City still pay a cut of Adebayors wages, perhaps they’l do the same with Lescot?? I can hope!! ha
Seems City only wants to sell him and Pellegrini doesn’t want him to leave due to depth at CB.
As much as I dislike Lamberk, tbf at least he is being honest here. Football clubs make business decisions nowadays, the only logical business decision is to focus on league positioning as that’s where the money is. Sad but true.
The FA cup needs to move with the times- I say give the winners a CL spot and scrap replays.
No it’s not it’s firstly and formostly an
entertainment and an entertainment that’s adrenaline fuelled, no excitement no product. This “it’s simply a business “thing is bullshit, when was the last time you saw 40000 outside tescos?
D’you know something?
I’d be bloody happy for us to win the FA cup and get relegated.
At the end of the day, it’d be something written in history.
You get nowt for finishing anywhere but first in the Prem, after all.
One of my favourite songlines used to be “seven times we’ve won it, no-one else can catch us up”.
The pride that line used to give me… well.
I feel sorry for you lads who’ve never sung it.
As for you who were lucky enough to be able to, any of you dissing the cup now ought to hang your heads in shame, imo.
As for the Injury, what a shame.
I’m keeping an open mind on what’s actually gone on, but if we have used it to deflect things, that’s sad 🙁
Bang on badger, I truly despair at the compliance of the younger generation.
I agree with the sentiments of the argument but look at Bolton £160m in debt.
This debate opens up the argument about the ridiculous amounts of money in the game and its impact on fairness/tradition and smaller clubs.
I would love it if Villa won the cup but not at the sacrifice of our position in the Premier league.
Saying all of that I feel this is journalists blowing up a throw away comment, I think he meant he did not want to risk Vlaar as he is vital for the games coming up in the league. As much as i feel Lambert is not the right man for Villa I feel this has been taken out of context and the press are smelling blood.
And just how does competing in the fa cup effect your premier league status? Out of the last 10 winners name the ones who have (a) been relegated or (b) gone into administration?
Wigan were relegated but i am not against this debate, its pretty obvious most clubs dont take the FA Cup as seriously as they do surviving or going for top 4.
1 and the smallest under supported club in the league and just 1 so statically what does that say?
Portsmouth and Wigan for starters
Go on expand and nothing to do with pompy’s dodgy finances ? it was winning the cup that fucked them? Again whatever.
You asked me the question of who has suffered since winning cup and iv gave you a factual answer that you don’t like. Not my fault
And you contradict yourself, you moan about Lerner keeping a tight reign on the finances then put up Portsmouth as an example? Can’t you see the contradiction?
Not really no
Well that says it all really.
You wouldn’t know a factual answer if one bit you on the arse.
Fair point Morgan.
But at the same time, we should not dismiss the biggest domestic cup in the world, purely because of money.
This bastard Premier league is just ruining everything and we shouldn’t even be having this debate. If they had their way, they’d drop it all together, as it’s just a nuisance to them.
Mind you, I blame the FA, for being so gutless over the years.
Its sad, i remember when i was a lot younger than now and the FA Cup was the last game of the season and was an all day event. Started watching it at 12 right through to the team that won lifting it, i think one of my wishes was when i grew up i was going to lift that cup (2left feet ended that) jumping from the BBC to ITV.
The FA have put emphasis on the FA Premier League and it is wrong, but the money men do our bidding, marketing is a XXXX of a disease that has destroyed the soul in society.
I was wondering why that comment went into moderation and allowed it, missing the relevant word.
Now duly edited.
Yes, I used to like it when it was an all day thing.
I think when they stopped that, they devalued it.
And totally agree, it shoud be the last game of the season.
I will rewrite that comment without the rude word
Its sad, i remember when i was a lot younger than now and the FA Cup was the last game of the season and was an all day event. Started watching it at 12 right through to the team that won lifting it, i think one of my wishes was when i grew up i was going to lift that cup (2left feet ended that) jumping from the BBC to ITV.
Unfortunately the FA have put emphasis on the League and not the cup, the cup should be the last game of the season
It always was and will be the league is so hard to win even more so when it was 40 odd games but this perception of the fa cup being a nothing has been spun by the champions league lot cause it don’t fit in with their agenda, when was the last time we had that as a distraction? Don’t buy into the bullshit mg.
I have not bought into it mate i dont watch CL matches, I refuse to as i feel the CL should be a knockout competition. Not watched CL in three years now, sometimes i post comments based on how i see it rather than how i want it to be.
Agree mate I watch it sometimes from quarter final onwards but never watch group stages as totally pointless. If it went bk to knockout system then that would be different.
But it never was a problem till man u and the likes devalued it by playing under strength teams and the rest of the premier league teams inexplicably followed suit, it’s crazy.
The main thing we’re discuss here is business vs tradition, the FA cup really means something and that should go every club all over the country, it certainly counts for all lower league clubs o why should it be any different for us, we’re not going to finish fourth or even fifth or sixth or seventh aytime soon (probably years away honestly) so no matter what the difference in cash reward is between 17 and 8 it shouldn’t make any difference. Simply staying in the PL and plus TV deals pays out a hefty amount.
The FA Cup is a tradition and a very important one imo, something we shouldn’t be ignoring or bypassing for money and business purposes. Disgraceful stuff
And the beginning was the FA cup.
and now it’s with Budweiser mate lol
Need anymore be said mate?
says it all bws
Lamberts comments are a disgrace and show utter contempt to all those who will spend their hard earned cash attending the FA Cup game….. It shows in what low regard the club hold its fans, its not like we are concentrating all our efforts on the champions league…….Disgusting, embarrassing and fucking ignorant.
I do agree with him though who wants to do a Wigan. Though another part of me thinks he’s already making his excuses for losing on Saturday.
Agree ooh ah, but surely he should have said this before tickets went on sale…. the bloke is a mumbling bafoon, Gerald Ratner springs to mind!
Honestly I don’t think the FA cup endeavour had anything to do with Wigan going down, they were riding their luck for years and years under that twat owner thinking they were better than they were with poor investment and mediocre players, it was only a matter of time for them.
It’s not a great deal of extra playing time, just the FA cup on it’s own. If you’re in both cups I can see the dificulty with xtra playing time but just one of them isn’t a major deal, plus it’s a good opportunity to give the younger lads a run out, like we Wenger doing with Arsenal over the years.
Bullshit Oohah, you who is always moaning are now happy with simply serving Randys debt? No ambition, nothing more than survival and that makes you a happy puppy? Whatever.
Glad to see most agreeing with me 🙂
even a bluenose gets it
Colin Tattum @colintattum
Blood boil: FA Cup doesn’t matter? Bollocks. Anyone who could ‘do without it’ doesn’t deserve to ever win it. Game is about glory, not money
And amen to that.
Speechless !
I love the FA cup..thank fuck its not (yet) gone down the seeded route like the fixed boring CL bollox. To be fair, I would get more pleasure now out of a FA cup win than a CL win. At Ileast its a proper and fair draw and not fixed to ensure the rich boys are guaranteed a last 8 place.
I am however against playing it before the end of the season and on a Sat at 5pm.
My eyes have seen the glory of the Villa win the cup
7 times we’ve won it, no one else can catch us up
For we’re the boys in claret and and blue
We’re Englands gallant few
And the Villa go marching inon!
The Saturday 5PM KO is one of the worse of many decisions the FA made to kill their own competition
Glory Glory Aston Villa Glory Glory Aston Villa.
I thought it was we are the chosen few! Agree about CL what amazes me is why anyone actually watches the group stage it’s totally pointless and even if a big team did get knocked out they’ve still got Europa cup as a fall back. Absolutely ridiculous it’s like being knocked out of the fa cup in the 3rd round but being allowed to participate in the quarter finals. Pathetic. At least when we won it it was pure luck of draw and we got some bloody tough ones.
Confirmation of Kozak
Tom Ross @thegoalzone
“@AVFCOfficial: Villa can confirm that Libor Kozak suffered a broken leg in training today. #AVFC”
I will be cynical in the way this was released …
Broken Leg!!! Jesus christ that’s sad news. Good luck to him in rehabilitation ope to see him back soon.
This always happens to us, we’re bloody jinxed I swear it
Its confirmed on OS now. Such a shame!
What the fuck does lambert do in training how many players now long term they all need sacking
Also disagree with the semis being played at Wembley and no 2nd replays as they quite often gave smaller clubs a much needed income and helped their financial survival in many cases!
Didn’t Bradford City play 68 games last season got to lcup final 5th round f a cup and got promoted with less resources so lambert and the rest of the premier league whats your excuse
The problem is that they could take that risk vp being in a lower div as bring in final made them more money.
People talking about stuff on Twitter, who is good to follow? Cheers
@usasoccerguy : very informative stuff mate
Cheers mate will check it out
to be honest mate, it’s only a good laugh that one, for the real informative stuff, you’ll have to ask the other gents on here, I don’t really use twitter all that much 🙂
James Nursey article on our transfer window,
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-transfer-window-preview-2979687
Fuck me nursery talks out if his arse Morgan saying wev made progress since last season ffs!! He also hinted there maybe a couple of loans and that we have good cover. The guy is on a different planet he must have been fed all that by Lerner’s propaganda machine.
He must be pissed – He days Westwood has impressed this season!!!!!
Lambert was just stating a fact which is so obvious that surely only the most delusional ‘fans’ on this moan fest can’t see. Against Ipswich last year we left out Benteke, Gabby, Weimann, Guzan. We won 2-1 and you weren’t all wetting yourself then. Just over 20,000 Villa fans bothered to turn up, so they also thought the precious FA Cup played 2nd fiddle to staying in the top division and going the way of Wigan, Leeds, Bolton etc.
Well said Geoff. I can see both sides on this but I’m in the cup not imp camp. Don’t get me wrong I’d rather win it than not win it but not at the expense of going down.
Since 1993 (I could go back further if you wanted) two teams have won it and been relegated, your argument is absolute bollox (nothing new there then).
They were relegated because they were shit not because they won the fa cup.
Disagree the fa cup totally exhausted 2 teams with a small squad as it is. Plus they suffered injuries from over doing it as they increase their risk tge more they play. If we had a top quality 2 -3 team squad like the sky 4 then that’s a different matter we havnt. So we have to make sure prem league is priority and just send out a weak team where appropriate. Having said that our first team is hardly strong so wouldn’t make a difference anyway!
But we aint going to finish 4th so just what your point?
We are fourth from bottom!
I agree with ooh ahh. It’s simply a question of resources vs reward bws.
Its unromantic but that is modern football.
As for lambert enraging all those by trying to be honest in a press statement ??? Wtf did i not see comment after comment,article after article that contained numerous references to how annoying lambert was for seemingly talking shite and laying on the fake praise after a poor display.
He tries a different tac and admits some meaningful and honest information and the lamberk frenzie ensues!
Damned if you do …damned if you don’t !
Said my piece on this COLONIUS and I suppose you could say I’ve got FA else to say.
One thing I will say is Lambert finally opens his mouth and his foot falls out.
“Ah cannae be bothered wi’ th’ fa cup jist want tae finish 17th in th’ premier league”
I hate lamberk as much as the next man but on this occasion. He has spoken sense. It’s a sad fact of football life now that finishing 4th is seen as more successful than fa cup win. It is completely wrong if course but it is reality. Let’s face it it’s not like we coukd win it anyway so why bother risking first teamers getting injured when we have to focus on staying up.
GEOFFREY try reading the debate instead of just being a smug twat.
Bloody hell, the intellectuals are out. So, Mr BWS (Assuming the BS stands for bullshit, what’s the S for?) if you get to the 5th, 6th or semi-final and were relegated… it doesn’t count? Tit! That would be a real comfort to everyone. I did read the debate, including Robo – who goes to cup matches but can’t be arsed with league matches – who said Lambert didn’t care. No, he didn’t, he was saying clubs in the bottom half of the division have different priorities. But of course, it’s raw meat to the moaning shits on here.
I think we can all guess what the W in BWS stands for Geoff :-). I don’t mind us having a cup run but not at the expense of being in the prem.
Oh got a friend have we?
You’ve got my email if you want discuss further what the W stands for drop me a line.
Don’t need to its pretty obvious what it stands for.
Oohah you are the donkeys bollocks I love you really.
‘S’ stands for suck my dick.
By the way hows bungle and the rest of the rainbow household?
BWS mate, years ago we had two well known manager’s turn their back on the FA cup by playing their reserve sides, Both got slated for doing it it was against the rules, to me the FA cup died knowing that the goal for them was European honours, I blame the F A for that, I every year had two coaches going to wherever the draw sent us, one with the Bluenoses the other for Villa Boy’s, we would meet up at a club in Bromsgrove both coaches, never did the thought of arguments just have that special day, its been fucked up by greed, the F A cup was to me a day to wait for,some fans have never had the fun that us fans had.
I get what you are saying Bill but the argument that is being put forward is winning the FA = Relegation and that is total horse shit.
In the history of the Cup only one team (Wigan) have won it and been relegated in the same season so it’s a totally flawed argument.
What you say is absolutely correct, the competitions been devalued by your Man U’s, Chelsea’s, Arsenal’s who are more concerned with the Champions League but how the f**k that effects the likes of Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Stoke, West Brom or jeopardizes their premier league status is beyond me.
It appears we see the big 5/6 put out second string teams and for no good reason (seeing we haven’t got European games to worry about) and the rest follow suit.
Good debate about it last evening then Geefry takes no heed of the previous posts and comes in with “your all idiots bar me” type post and Oohah with pops up with his usual inane bullshit.
Come on, Lambert once again is damned for speaking his (and most of professional football’s) mind.
The FA Cup has lost significance, that cannot be denied. Not to us older generation who grew up watching the whole build up throughout the day and having two of the only three TV channels broadcast it live.
But the younger generation brought up on Sky football and CL midweek matches don’t care much for it.
As for Kozak breaking his leg to deflect attention from Lambert’s comment, what ? News always leaks at every level of every organisation. You probably believe the moon landings were staged and the Titanic was swapped with the Olympic for an elaborate insurance fraud.
I suggest you write to Faulkner Robo to advise him that you have seen us win the League Cup, to surrender that each season in the hope that you can see us win the FA Cup. Good luck with that.
Ultimately, getting knocked out of the cups is always disappointing. Getting relegated would be disastrous.
But for a bloke who can’t be arsed to watch league games anymore, it probably doesn’t matter which league our club are in.
Shame about Big Libor two players with serious injuries Kozak & Okore how many teams have had that luck this season what a shitter!Well we have Bowery,Helenius to make their mark…..Seeing links to Popov,J Jones & S.Defour yesterday all 3 would be great signings & add some welcomed experience to the club UTV
don’t really see how lamberts comments re the cup have a significance in kozacs injury, a conspiracy too far me thinks.
really bad news about libor, not only for the lad himself but for the team, say what you like about him I feel he always gives 100% and he’s our 2nd highest goal scorer this season in a team that cant score. talk about bad luck and wtf was going on in training for a player to get his leg broke? maybe a freak one.
as for the F.A cup, it has been relegated somewhat by the clubs at the top fielding 2nd string squads and I believe we too should be resting the likes of benteke and vlarr on Saturday and anyone else carrying injuries. id love to see us have a good cup run, hell id love to see us win it, it don’t look so 2nd string come Wembley at the end of the season(btw playing the semis at Wembley is a joke, ridiculous for so many reasons)however we do have to be sensible although lamberts comments re the cup are more than stupid especially as we have a home tie(yes paul a home tie, hardly drumming up the excitement to get the fans in are we?)although ive yet to see the actual quotes as to what was said by him.
Ian is right about old Hairy Hands though. S/he was giving the info about the leg break hours before it broke on the OS but at the same time as the local media were putting the boot into PL for his comments.
I can’t for the life of me see why Lamberk would say it even if he thought it though, seems folly to me. A cup run might go some way to repaying the ST holders for the utter shite they’ve had to witness this season. Lets see how many of us are thinking it’s a waste of time if we pull Bloose in the next round.
Playing blues is different all together it would be both out cup finals which shows how low Wev sunk. What’s even sadder is they would probably beat us as well.