IanRobo has submitted the following and I have a bit of news for you.
He has requested that he become an author again, so he can get his points up quicker.
While some of you will no doubt be groaning, there’s absolutely no doubt that he knows how to get a debate going, which I’m sure we all appreciate. Oohah and myself are certainly glad to have him back and we knew he wouldn’t be able to stay away for long;
There are times when you look at the club and think they could not fall any lower. Today was one of those for Aston Villa.
We had two distinct events today.
The first was Lambert saying no one cared for the FA CUP. At no time did he qualify this and say he did, it was clear for us and many Clubs the FA Cup is a total irrelevance.
I HATE that. The FA Cup is special, so special that I would go to every game and have done so for the last 4/5 years because I want to win it. The League Cup for me is something we have won in my lifetime, we have never won the FA cup, obviously. For a club whose whole name was about the competition it is awful.
Some Villa fans may defend this, some may claim the PL is supreme but we can never win it and we are likely never even to be 4th. We have the chance to only win two trophies a year and the FA cup should be a focus. However who cares as long as we finish 17th and survive ?
So after this broke I get home from work and see Hairyhands on Villatalk has spoken. This guy is an ITK and is a true one, he is right. He has said that Kozak is out with an injury for the season. This was confirmed by Dave Woodhall on H&V, this appears true.
IMHO I believe that HairyHands is a journo (HairyHands is what Richard Keys used to be called) and that he gets told information by Lambert and/or club for their own purposes. I dealt with ITK’s before but never a journo and never directly from the club and never was I using the info to deflect attention away.
What I hate about this totally is that it appears to me that the news of this serious injury was leaked to deflect away from Lambert’s comments.
Just how awful is that to use a player’s injury to deflect the attention away ?
Have this grand club of ours under Lerner become so low to use a serious injury in this way ?
Lambert was just stating a fact which is so obvious that surely only the most delusional ‘fans’ on this moan fest can’t see. Against Ipswich last year we left out Benteke, Gabby, Weimann, Guzan. We won 2-1 and you weren’t all wetting yourself then. Just over 20,000 Villa fans bothered to turn up, so they also thought the precious FA Cup played 2nd fiddle to staying in the top division and going the way of Wigan, Leeds, Bolton etc.
Well said Geoff. I can see both sides on this but I’m in the cup not imp camp. Don’t get me wrong I’d rather win it than not win it but not at the expense of going down.
Since 1993 (I could go back further if you wanted) two teams have won it and been relegated, your argument is absolute bollox (nothing new there then).
They were relegated because they were shit not because they won the fa cup.
Disagree the fa cup totally exhausted 2 teams with a small squad as it is. Plus they suffered injuries from over doing it as they increase their risk tge more they play. If we had a top quality 2 -3 team squad like the sky 4 then that’s a different matter we havnt. So we have to make sure prem league is priority and just send out a weak team where appropriate. Having said that our first team is hardly strong so wouldn’t make a difference anyway!
But we aint going to finish 4th so just what your point?
We are fourth from bottom!
I agree with ooh ahh. It’s simply a question of resources vs reward bws.
Its unromantic but that is modern football.
As for lambert enraging all those by trying to be honest in a press statement ??? Wtf did i not see comment after comment,article after article that contained numerous references to how annoying lambert was for seemingly talking shite and laying on the fake praise after a poor display.
He tries a different tac and admits some meaningful and honest information and the lamberk frenzie ensues!
Damned if you do …damned if you don’t !
Said my piece on this COLONIUS and I suppose you could say I’ve got FA else to say.
One thing I will say is Lambert finally opens his mouth and his foot falls out.
“Ah cannae be bothered wi’ th’ fa cup jist want tae finish 17th in th’ premier league”
I hate lamberk as much as the next man but on this occasion. He has spoken sense. It’s a sad fact of football life now that finishing 4th is seen as more successful than fa cup win. It is completely wrong if course but it is reality. Let’s face it it’s not like we coukd win it anyway so why bother risking first teamers getting injured when we have to focus on staying up.
GEOFFREY try reading the debate instead of just being a smug twat.
Bloody hell, the intellectuals are out. So, Mr BWS (Assuming the BS stands for bullshit, what’s the S for?) if you get to the 5th, 6th or semi-final and were relegated… it doesn’t count? Tit! That would be a real comfort to everyone. I did read the debate, including Robo – who goes to cup matches but can’t be arsed with league matches – who said Lambert didn’t care. No, he didn’t, he was saying clubs in the bottom half of the division have different priorities. But of course, it’s raw meat to the moaning shits on here.
I think we can all guess what the W in BWS stands for Geoff :-). I don’t mind us having a cup run but not at the expense of being in the prem.
Oh got a friend have we?
You’ve got my email if you want discuss further what the W stands for drop me a line.
Don’t need to its pretty obvious what it stands for.
Oohah you are the donkeys bollocks I love you really.
‘S’ stands for suck my dick.
By the way hows bungle and the rest of the rainbow household?
BWS mate, years ago we had two well known manager’s turn their back on the FA cup by playing their reserve sides, Both got slated for doing it it was against the rules, to me the FA cup died knowing that the goal for them was European honours, I blame the F A for that, I every year had two coaches going to wherever the draw sent us, one with the Bluenoses the other for Villa Boy’s, we would meet up at a club in Bromsgrove both coaches, never did the thought of arguments just have that special day, its been fucked up by greed, the F A cup was to me a day to wait for,some fans have never had the fun that us fans had.
I get what you are saying Bill but the argument that is being put forward is winning the FA = Relegation and that is total horse shit.
In the history of the Cup only one team (Wigan) have won it and been relegated in the same season so it’s a totally flawed argument.
What you say is absolutely correct, the competitions been devalued by your Man U’s, Chelsea’s, Arsenal’s who are more concerned with the Champions League but how the f**k that effects the likes of Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Stoke, West Brom or jeopardizes their premier league status is beyond me.
It appears we see the big 5/6 put out second string teams and for no good reason (seeing we haven’t got European games to worry about) and the rest follow suit.
Good debate about it last evening then Geefry takes no heed of the previous posts and comes in with “your all idiots bar me” type post and Oohah with pops up with his usual inane bullshit.
Come on, Lambert once again is damned for speaking his (and most of professional football’s) mind.
The FA Cup has lost significance, that cannot be denied. Not to us older generation who grew up watching the whole build up throughout the day and having two of the only three TV channels broadcast it live.
But the younger generation brought up on Sky football and CL midweek matches don’t care much for it.
As for Kozak breaking his leg to deflect attention from Lambert’s comment, what ? News always leaks at every level of every organisation. You probably believe the moon landings were staged and the Titanic was swapped with the Olympic for an elaborate insurance fraud.
I suggest you write to Faulkner Robo to advise him that you have seen us win the League Cup, to surrender that each season in the hope that you can see us win the FA Cup. Good luck with that.
Ultimately, getting knocked out of the cups is always disappointing. Getting relegated would be disastrous.
But for a bloke who can’t be arsed to watch league games anymore, it probably doesn’t matter which league our club are in.
Shame about Big Libor two players with serious injuries Kozak & Okore how many teams have had that luck this season what a shitter!Well we have Bowery,Helenius to make their mark…..Seeing links to Popov,J Jones & S.Defour yesterday all 3 would be great signings & add some welcomed experience to the club UTV
don’t really see how lamberts comments re the cup have a significance in kozacs injury, a conspiracy too far me thinks.
really bad news about libor, not only for the lad himself but for the team, say what you like about him I feel he always gives 100% and he’s our 2nd highest goal scorer this season in a team that cant score. talk about bad luck and wtf was going on in training for a player to get his leg broke? maybe a freak one.
as for the F.A cup, it has been relegated somewhat by the clubs at the top fielding 2nd string squads and I believe we too should be resting the likes of benteke and vlarr on Saturday and anyone else carrying injuries. id love to see us have a good cup run, hell id love to see us win it, it don’t look so 2nd string come Wembley at the end of the season(btw playing the semis at Wembley is a joke, ridiculous for so many reasons)however we do have to be sensible although lamberts comments re the cup are more than stupid especially as we have a home tie(yes paul a home tie, hardly drumming up the excitement to get the fans in are we?)although ive yet to see the actual quotes as to what was said by him.
Ian is right about old Hairy Hands though. S/he was giving the info about the leg break hours before it broke on the OS but at the same time as the local media were putting the boot into PL for his comments.
I can’t for the life of me see why Lamberk would say it even if he thought it though, seems folly to me. A cup run might go some way to repaying the ST holders for the utter shite they’ve had to witness this season. Lets see how many of us are thinking it’s a waste of time if we pull Bloose in the next round.
Playing blues is different all together it would be both out cup finals which shows how low Wev sunk. What’s even sadder is they would probably beat us as well.
Out of interest, how many are going tomorrow ?
I’ll be honest, I’m undecided as of now and it’ll depend on a couple of mates, I can’t be arsed to go on my own and be unlucky enough to sit next to some prat slating Villa all afternoon (though there would be room to move you’d imagine).
The FA Cup has become as inconvenient as International friendlies to sides with an eye on precious league points which is all basically.
The top, bottom and middle teams all play weakened sides. The Blades will probably turn out a second string against us.
Man U pulled out of the competition altogether with full agreement from the FA. Says it all really.
Didn’t we have a match on FA Cup final day last season ? It was once given it’s own precious day as the last domestic match of the season.
To say that you’ll go down for winning it is ridiculous, but managers do look to the next league game over winning a tie. Lambert is guilty of being honest.
Ironic, he’s usually lambasted on here for ‘spinning transfer activity’ to sell season tickets.
I was going but after Lambert’s comments I aint bothering and have also emailed the club to congratulate them on Lambert’s top draw marketing technique (not that they’ll give a shit).
Ive emailed the club too BWS and they responded with a free sticker and if they sell me a season ticket they have promised to sign Messi and Ronaldo…
A free Season Ticket? There’s some nasty b*****ds in that ticket office!
A free sticker whoopee doo!!
“Roberto Martinez said today the FA Cup is unique in world football after Paul Lambert claimed most Premier League bosses would rather do without the competition.”
“Martinez, though, believes that the Cup must be preserved. He said: “The FA Cup is unique. There are cup competitions across the world but there is nothing like what we have in this country. The Cup brings tradition and is quite unique with it’s unpredictability and the fact that anyone is entitled to chase the dream. We are going to give it everything we’ve got.”
He gets it and he isn’t even British!
spot on by martinez, that is exactly what the cup is all about, its the very spirit of everthing that is good about football.
still we should be able to rest players and still beat sheff utd tomorrow and when a team is in our position a good cup run is good for the club, what else have we to look forward to this season? a lot of tough games the majority of which we will loose but hopefully get enough points to survive, not very mouth watering is it?
so a good run is good for all, the club, the team and the fans, see if anyone on their way to Wembley on final day if they still think its shite and a waste of time.