A European Premier league?; Thoughts

I was going to let this subject pass, but I really don’t see how I can because it has such massive implications not just for the Villa, but the whole English game.

If anyone hasn’t seen it yet, the story is that £4 billion plus of finance has been lined up for the creation of a European Premier league which might begin as early as 2022.
It’s apparently been instigated by Man United and Liverpool and will involve the usual top 6 and Spurs.

This sort of thing has been rumoured and you could even say threatened (albeit veiled) for a long while and my immediate instinct is to say “Good, it’s about time. They can p*iss off and get on with it”.
I say that because a few clubs are not bigger than the game and shouldn’t be allowed to think they are.

The pure greed of this frankly makes me sick and I’m not even sure what the clubs involved expect to get out of it. Okay, they’ll obviously retain more of the money they get in, because they won’t have to share it amongst so many clubs and those will be on more of a level footing. The likes of Man U won’t be subsidising the likes of Burnley, after all.
But what will this actually achieve for the clubs?

If we take Man Utd as an example, the only people who have benefitted at the club are the Glaziers, who have taken millions out since they took over the club. And all this when the last I saw, the club was a billion quid in debt and many people think they’re at risk of dropping out of the Champions league altogether very soon. Maybe that explains why they want this?

So who has got what to gain?
It seems to me it’s only the Glaziers in this case.
I’m not able to comment on the other club’s finances, because I don’t know. Spurs are struggling financially though, because of the cost of their very nice stadium and I don’t think any clubs are actually making a profit.

So while my first instinct is that I’m not bothered, I have to confess that I am.
Majorly so.

Would this be a fixed league, in that there is no promotion or relegation?
I’d expect that’s what the clubs would like, but what would be the point of that exactly?
There’s not much incentive is there?
Here, I’d much prefer that the current Premier league refuse to have anything to do with this and block any association whatsoever. In other words, if you do this you’re finished as part of the English game.
Hey, let’s go the whole hog and the FA should tell the clubs involved that any players would not be eligible for their country either.

I’d love to hear views on those particular thoughts. Am I thinking along the right lines here, or am I deluded?

I suspect it might be the latter and there would be promotion and relegation involved, which I suspect would be enough to keep the powers that be onside with the whole idea. Chucking the rulers of our game a good few quid would no doubt sway opinions. They’re as greedy as the clubs who supposedly want to do this.

The big question is where will the Sky money end up?
Would it follow the departing clubs, who we know are already their favourites by a long way?
Or would it stay with the current league?

That’s a tricky question, but I suspect it would go with the new league. It hurts me to say that, but if you take the top say twenty clubs in Europe the number of fans will dwarf that of any single country.

Here, this could be used as another weapon to hit Sky with. Work with this new league and you’re finished.
It would enable the English game to go back to how it was pre-Sky. A game where winning silverware isn’t restricted to the same small amount of clubs. A game where we might see a Nottingham Forest again, because the game doesn’t rely on just money and anything is possible.

Sadly I don’t see this happening either. The powers that be wouldn’t want to go backwards and the thought of less money? Heaven forbid.
Even if it meant it would be good for the game.

And then, it would just be an incredibly sad thing to see. It simply shouldn’t be allowed to happen and those in charge of our game ought to fight this to the death. Or at least until the wantaway clubs give up on the idea.
Guess what though?
I don’t think that would happen either as they don’t have the balls to lay the law dowm.

Of course, the fans’ thoughts won’t matter one bit.
But I’d love to know what their fans think of the whole proposal?
Bearing in mind that given the improved standard of the oppostion, it wouldn’t surprise me if increased prices were involved for those wanting to watch.


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  1. Ardent Villain
    Ardent Villain October 20, 2020 at 8:08 pm . Reply

    As far as I’m concerned, the FA should expel any club signing up to play in another league from all English football competitions, and yes, their players should be banned from representing England too.

    The few clubs that go for it will end up as the Harlem Globetrotters of football after a couple of years, totally cut off from the mainstream game in a gilded cage where they continually play the same few teams several times a season – about as challenging,meaningful and interesting as Celtic v Rangers,

    Remember the ‘rebel’ tours and “Packer circus” in cricket, back in the late 70’s and early 80’s? Did they achieve anything?

    1. Hitchens60
      Hitchens60 October 20, 2020 at 8:41 pm . Reply

      Ardent you took the words out of my mouth by likening this to Packers World Series which came about because Packer wasn’t granted the exclusive TV rights to cricket in Australia. Of course the circumstances were very different then as cricketers were paid a pittance on annual contracts with no winter income unless they were picked for a tour and Packer was offering guaranteed five year contracts with a massive increase in earnings to the top test players. Eventually the ‘Establishment’ compromised; Packer got his TV rights and players got better contracts.

      This is the same but different.

      United & Liverpool having failed to get their way on the ‘Big Project’ or whatever they called it are trying to blackmail English football by removing (what they arrogantly see) as Sky’s UK audience forcing Sky to substantially reduce payments to the the EPL and EFL. So it’s the same in that it’s all about money, power and greed – yet it’s different because it will not help the vast majority of professional footballers one bit. Nor does it, imho, offer an attractive viewing platform to the majority of football fans.

      So hypocritical is a word that readily springs to mind.

      United and Liverpool, or at least their AMERICAN owners want power; they want to run football like owners run football (not ‘soccer’), basketball and hockey in the States. To protect their bank vaults there would be no relegation or promotion.

      So the rich get richer and the beautiful game is the poorer for it.

  2. Tony Hill
    Tony Hill October 20, 2020 at 9:27 pm . Reply

    I tend to agree with you on most of this. I think (and it’s been said many times before) that money and all the greed in the game will eventually kill it off altogether! I already think the Prem is a money driven monster, which I think most people would agree with.
    If there is a breakaway euro league then where would it leave the also rans in the Prem and all the clubs in the EFL!(of which Villa could easily have been part of this season)
    I for one (and I’m guessing I won’t be on my own) will not be interested in, nor will I pay extortionate amounts for the ‘privilege’ of watching the ‘elite’ of a greed league.
    The powers that be in football should sit up and take notice!!!

  3. Bill Pearson..
    Bill Pearson.. October 20, 2020 at 9:29 pm . Reply

    I blame that Andy Burham , bet he’s the instigator , no that was thought of a decade ago and never went anywhere , can you imagine the problems it would cause, us out of the eu and all the hate we would get, it won’t happen.

  4. Bill Pearson..
    Bill Pearson.. October 21, 2020 at 8:05 am . Reply

    This is I’m alright Jack and sod the rest by owners, I still say it ain’t going to happen. Fans will have their say as well as other clubs , can you imagine the expense to the normal punter, travel, Euro, and the aggro from countries that hate us for who we are. This is as Badger saying owners of the main clubs looking to furnish their own pockets, Sky, Bt, would love it for the money, No it ain’t going to happen clubs and fans will step in.

  5. Originallondonlion
    Originallondonlion October 23, 2020 at 2:27 pm . Reply

    It is a kite that won’t fly. The devil is in the detail. 5 countries would supply 13 of the 20 possible clubs. That leaves 7 slots for the ‘Rest of Europe’. No chance.

  6. Holte66
    Holte66 October 23, 2020 at 6:18 pm . Reply

    I hate predicting Villa results but a draw would put us top of the league. Sky and all the other media outlets have their heads so far up Bielsas arse that you would think we were playing Bayern Munch or Barcelona. We are more than capable of winning tonight. Leeds will play high press like Liverpool but they don’t have the same quality so we should be able to pick them off. My only concern is Costa up against Targett. Grealish will have to do the tracking back to ensure we don’t get overwhelmed especially with Ayling overlapping. Also what’s the odds on that dirty cheat Bamford getting a penalty.

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