Who’ll stay and who’ll go? and the Prem agree a £30 cap for away fans.

Reading the news, it seems that the speculation has moved on from “if the Villa go down” to “what’ll happen when they do?”
And it’s a fair question, seeing as the odds for us staying up are probably on a par with Leicester winning the league at the start of the season.
Which reminds me; did you hear about the Leicester fan who had a punt on his team winning the league and has cashed out for £72k, when he had an ultimate £200k to win? Tough one that, but fair play to him for having the balls to make the punt in the first place.

But I digress and transfers this summer is an interesting subject.
There’s already major speculation, with the likes of Gabby gone for a start.
But in his case, you have to ask who would match his £65-70k wages (if true), even if we gave him away for nothing?
I can’t even see the MLS or Chinese mugs falling for that one, given his goal-scoring record over the last few years.

Apparently, we’re going to sell all the French contingent too, but I’d suggest that they’ve been amongst our better players this season and we should be looking to keep them over certain others.
Not that we have many players who I think could stand up to the rigours of the Championship, but we need to retain some decent players, surely?

Richards will probably get a move, even at his stupid wages and we’ll probably give Lescott away to the MLS.

Grealish going at £5 mill to West Ham? I can’t see that one myself, as he isn’t going to be on mega, club-bankrupting bucks, but if he does want to leave, good riddance, in my opinion. He hasn’t proven to be as good as he thinks up to now, but that said, more might depend on if Garde stays or not. And you just know that letting him go might prove another mistake along Cahill lines or worse.

There is one certainty though and that is that N’Zogbia will be gone.
I’ve always liked the player, but he has to go down as probably the worst signing the club has ever made, even with Balaban and Djembas included. Just shocking and something which probably sums up what’s happened to us over the last few years.

Still, those are just my thoughts and I’m actually more interested in what you think, so let us know please.

As for the Prem’s £30 cap on away tickets, it doesn’t really matter to us, at least next season anyway, does it?
It’s a gesture though and fair play to those who have fought for it.
I can’t talk too much, as I don’t travel often (my last away was the 2-2 at Liverpool), but what happened to “Twenty’s plenty”?
From what I hear, the good news is that the FSF are going to keep applying the pressure and rightly so. Make the greedy bastards who rule the game give some back to their most loyal “customers”.


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  1. nath
    nath March 10, 2016 at 7:17 am . Reply

    what players we keep debate is something that has been worrying me all season, remi if we plugged into a liar liar machine. i think he would not keep any thing but maybe gana and the injured left back amavi. all the rest are certainly not up to his standards or ours.

    thanxs for this subject debate will be interested to read other fans views on this matter, hope you can give me more optimism

  2. pat57
    pat57 March 10, 2016 at 7:39 am . Reply

    According to the B’ham Mail –

    ‘Villa could be forced to rebuild their squad for the second successive season after it emerged that Jordan Ayew, Jack Grealish, Adama Traore, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout will be targeted for moves.’

    Also not bothered about Grealish and I’m all for a clear out but we need to hang on to the few half decent players we have, Ayew and Gana are amongst these.

    Couldn’t blame anyone wanting to leave us though, talk about a sinking ship.

    1. Hitchens 60
      Hitchens 60 March 10, 2016 at 8:05 am . Reply

      Always speculation on who will go from a relegated club but the reality is never as ‘bad’ as the speculation. Even in the championship I believe wages will be a match for some of the European sides and ultimately any employee looks at his take home pay!

      Of the ‘French contingent’, I would like to see Ayew and Gana retained as I think they would do OK in the championship. It’s unlikely that Amavi will leave in the summer after being out injured for so long but could be a January target if we are in the soft stuff again.

      Lescott will go to the MLS and if we can get £5m for Richards so be it.

      Of more worry are the players that should go but no one will want!

      Oh and we should not sell Grealish nor should we allow Gardener to go to Forest on a permanent deal.

    2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath March 10, 2016 at 7:17 pm . Reply

      Hope they all go no loss to us. We will struggle next yr whether we keep them or not. Ayew only scored about 3 goals

    3. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath March 10, 2016 at 7:18 pm . Reply

      Traore won’t go anywhere he’s a crock barca stitched us up with him. The only player I’d keep for next season is Gestede and Armavi. Gestede will do well in championship imo

  3. Jim Wagner
    Jim Wagner March 10, 2016 at 8:18 am . Reply

    I think the sadder point is players in the under 21s that will be forced out, young full back kinsella who’s out on loan at Kidderminster at the moment his contract is up soon are they going to offer him a new deal ? He’s been fantastic in the reserves this year, come on a bundle in my opinion but if they get rid of people like him there’s only one way we’re going to go !!

  4. VTID
    VTID March 10, 2016 at 8:42 am . Reply

    Everyone can speculate just like the media do, but to be honest no one but the club will know who and what will be the future plan.

    One thing for sure is from the King interview, the door is open for Gardi to stay and re-build, I guess if the three monkeys are sacked he might just think about staying, however if any of them are still there he will walk.

    The players which need to go should be Richardson, Gabby, Lescott, Bacuna. I think we should hang on to Hutton cause at least he shows passion and if he can brush that on to the French players we might be OK. Gardener needs to be selected for first team, as should some of the others out on loan.

    As for the young players, if the club is to survive then they need to keep the investment continuing along with the push for them to break into first team players.

    1. Bill Pearson
      Bill Pearson March 10, 2016 at 9:09 am . Reply

      VTID, like your thinking, nobody at this time knows what’s happening yet, all our young blooded youth should be given that chance to shine with us , not other clubs to make £sd , that’s been our downfall at Villa not giving youth a go. Keep Grealish, and yes players that play for the shirt.

  5. Saddened
    Saddened March 10, 2016 at 10:06 am . Reply

    “Keep this player, get rid of the other player” Please remember this is Aston Villa under Randolph Lerner…. Any player we can sell at a profit will be sold… Any player who’s wages are too high due to our awful transfer ‘committee’ we will keep as they enjoy the easy lifestyle and no other club wants them…. As an example I would put my house on fatty Gabby seeing his contract out at the Villa !!

  6. originallondonlion
    originallondonlion March 10, 2016 at 10:13 am . Reply

    Grealish has been the epitome of “too much too soon”. A great shame, he is local and has a rare talent, but he does not seem to have the self-discipline to shun the Chav’s behaviour of the stereotype. It might be better for him to move away from Birmingham to get a fresh start.

    All the players contracts will have a relegation = re-negotiation break clause, so the opportunity is there to sack every one of them. Apart from Gestede, who needs to play with a decent right winger and we have not had one, Amavi and Traore who were injured early on and did play with some spark before succumbing, I hope the club sack the rest. To start next season with any of the current squad would be like clearing out the fridge bar two mouldy items. When refilling the new stuff gets infected. The current squad are used to losing.

    I would like to see all the youth squad players given a crack next year, it should not be as difficult as breaking into a premiership squad.

    1. Hitchens 60
      Hitchens 60 March 10, 2016 at 11:12 am . Reply

      Maybe Grealish does need a new start – but in London given your observation of his difficulties in exercising self discipline?

      1. originallondonlion
        originallondonlion March 10, 2016 at 1:02 pm . Reply

        The temptations will be there, it will be up to him to resist them. I think the only London team where he would fit in is the Hammers, but there is supposed to be a big culture change coming at Chelsea, so there might be an opening there.

    2. BWS
      BWS March 10, 2016 at 8:39 pm . Reply

      A rare talent? Based on what? A handful of good performance for the youth team? One wonder goal in some tin pot competition in Hong Kong two years ago?
      A Fonz MKII me thinks and £5m? I’d snatch their hand off.

  7. Claret and Blue
    Claret and Blue March 10, 2016 at 11:05 am . Reply

    As long as Westwood goes I’ll be happy

    1. #HELENIUS
      #HELENIUS March 10, 2016 at 1:21 pm . Reply

      Here here!!!!

      1. Bill Pearson
        Bill Pearson March 10, 2016 at 1:48 pm . Reply

        Breaking news lads, Asto Villa announce loss of 26 million pound this year, up from 2 1/2 last year, mainly from wages and loss of merchandise. Well I never,

        1. Andrew
          Andrew March 10, 2016 at 4:08 pm . Reply

          That’s just pre-tax. It could be up in nearer 55m-ish.

          1. badger123
            badger123 March 11, 2016 at 12:46 am . Reply

            You don’t pay tax on a loss, only on profit.
            In fact some of the continuous losses will be able to be offset if we ever do actually make a profit, I’d imagine.

        2. BWS
          BWS March 10, 2016 at 7:50 pm . Reply

          We must be the worst run club since Leeds under Risdale but at least they had some success to start with. We’ve had shit, more shit and just for good measure a large helping of shit for dessert.

  8. pat57
    pat57 March 10, 2016 at 2:04 pm . Reply

    Just when you think we’ve hit rock bottom…

    ‘The highest-paid director at Aston Villa has enjoyed a rise of almost £1 million over the past year.’


    Who’s cooked the books?

    1. BWS
      BWS March 10, 2016 at 8:04 pm . Reply

      How the f##k did the wage bill go up??? I thought we got rid of all the high earners.
      All those seasons of shite football while we are being told that the big earners needed to be offloaded and it was all bullshit. Just how much b####cks can one man spin? (I would use the word say, but the power of speech seems beyond our glorious leader).

      1. Bill Pearson
        Bill Pearson March 10, 2016 at 9:27 pm . Reply

        BWS, don’t forget the wages of the likes of Fox, and them twats that call themselves football director’s.

        1. BWS
          BWS March 10, 2016 at 9:32 pm . Reply

          A 400% increase on fatty Faulkner Bill.

        2. BWS
          BWS March 10, 2016 at 9:48 pm . Reply

          The bottom team in the league with the sixth best CEO in the EPL (£1.25m).
          You really couldn’t make this s##t up Bill.

    2. Hitchens 60
      Hitchens 60 March 10, 2016 at 8:45 pm . Reply

      Anyway you look at those figures reinforces the poor job the Board are doing. Fox hasn’t even covered his salary through the increase in commercial revenue – the area within which he has a proven track record with Arsenal and wages appear to have increased through a combination of additional staff, players wages and compensation for termination of contracts. All points to an under performing business that is out of control. No wonder Hollis and King are undertaking a wide ranging review.

      On a separate point, not sure how transfer fees are accounted for – I assume a purchase is treated as a balance sheet item with allowable write off over a period of time through the accounts and a sale creates revenue accountable as an exceptional item of income accountable in the same tax year. – if anyone can explain as the Mail article doesn’t make any reference to treatment of transfers or any other capital item so can only assume that they haven’t materially varied from the previous year’s accounts.

      If the three wise monkeys aren’t shown the exit – questions need to be asked about exactly what Hollis is doing

      1. BWS
        BWS March 10, 2016 at 9:06 pm . Reply

        Poor job Hitchy? I’d say bordering on criminal mate. And as for the fantastic Mr Fox selling shirts, boxes and advertising for Arsenal down in the capital isn’t, I should imagine the hardest job anyone’s ever had.
        We ain’t in the capital, champions league and don’t average 55000 punters every home game.
        I wonder if any of that dawned on our glorious leader?
        Somehow I doubt it.

        1. Hitchens 60
          Hitchens 60 March 10, 2016 at 9:21 pm . Reply

          Fair enough BWS – no arguement from me

          1. BWS
            BWS March 10, 2016 at 9:31 pm . Reply

            12% drop in commercial revenue Hitchy, good old foxy is worth every penny mate.
            Randy strikes again, employs a bloke, gives him a 400% rise on his predecessor and he loses more money and the revenue drops.
            Only at AVFC.

  9. Jvillan
    Jvillan March 10, 2016 at 4:51 pm . Reply

    How are wba stoke and Leicester managing, smaller ground,smaller income yet paying similar or better wages where is our money

  10. Adam
    Adam March 10, 2016 at 8:06 pm . Reply

    I’d deffo keep Grealish, championship will be good for him to mature, away from the prem hype. Traore another star to be. Wouldn’t let him go anywhere. Gestede, well it’s proven championship is his level so keep him..Gana probably just about keep. Bacuna, Westwood, Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Richardson, Guzan can all go, free to a good home!!

  11. Hitchens 60
    Hitchens 60 March 10, 2016 at 8:50 pm . Reply

    Ahah – here’s the bit that we all suspected. According to the mirror Villa reduced its debt by over £70m in 14-15 and we all know where that went!

    1. Bum Bum
      Bum Bum March 10, 2016 at 10:27 pm . Reply

      Nice spot. So we haven’t in real terms made a loss, just made a whacking great payments back to Lerner. A sum greater than that he actually paid for the club!!!!!

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