stoke city 2-1 aston villa all goals and… by RapidGoals
I didn’t get to see today’s game, as I had to work, so I’ve been nosing around the various Villa blogs (including this one of course), to try and get a feel of what the fans thought.
It doesn’t make for very pleasant reading, with what seems like a large majority calling for Lerner, Lambert, the background staff and even the tea lady to be sacked.
Ok, I’m joking about the tea lady, but you get the point, I’m sure.
Which is something I find quite strange, as I’ve made the point before, but I just don’t get the same impression when I’m actually watching a game in the Holte end.
The hardcore are still very strongly supportive.
So what’s going on?
It seems there’s a very strong groundswell of blog readers, who have come to the conclusion over various lengths of time that Lambert just isn’t up to the job.
The reasons are varied, but range from poor tactics, poor substitutions, poor signings and recently, suggestions of poor motivation and man-management with high profile players.
Steven Ireland’s transformation as soon as he left springs to mind, here.
While there may well be mitigating circumstances, I tend to think that when a manager is accused of being poor in all areas, there may just be something in the accusations.
But that’s just my opinion.
So, it appears the fans on the terraces are reasonably happy.
Well, probably not happy, but still willing to give Lambert a chance. Which is fair enough.
But how long will it be before things change?
Will the fans on the terraces accept defeat against Palace? Against Swansea?
Both of these are at home, remember.
Here’s the next few fixtures in the next month;
Premier League
Aston Villa V Crystal Palace
Thu 26 Dec 15:00
Premier League
Aston Villa V Swansea
Sat 28 Dec 15:00
January 2014
Premier League
Sunderland V Aston Villa
Wed 1 Jan 15:00
FA Cup – Third Round
Aston Villa V Sheff Utd
Sat 4 Jan 15:00
Premier League
Aston Villa V Arsenal
Mon 13 Jan 20:00
Premier League
Liverpool V Aston Villa
Sat 18 Jan 17:30
How many points from that lot?
I genuinely couldn’t venture the slightest guess, as we’re capable of losing to anyone, but the optimist in me sees at least 6 out of 15.
Would that be enough to keep the stalwarts off Lambert’s back?
I’m personally not convinced it would.
Of course we could go on a run and rack up a few points, but does anyone really think that’s likely, given the performances of late, coupled with the notion that Lambert’s luck may have run out?
Our best bets for points come in the first three games and only the most optimistic would bet on us getting a result against Arsenal or Pool.
So for argument’s sake, what happens if we only gain a point or two in those first three games?
While most of us already believe we’ll spend next to nothing in the window, what would Lerner do after a poor run?
Help the manager out with some decent money, albeit probably for loan signings?
Or pull the plug entirely?
It could get interesting.
I saw a statistic today, that I can’t confirm, but it said under Lambert, we’ve won 15 games in 55.
Is that really good enough?
Badger I’ve just replied to Oohah the man is a buffoon, if the holte enders want to act like sheep and follow a set crowd that’s their rights, the writings on the wall at Villa and I don’t like what I see, the minority has now became majority hes out of his depth, we do have to change by paying wages, we do have to get experience in the team, he knew that 6 months ago but played the big I am, its getting bad now time for Lerner to be realistic in English game and pay up.
You won’t get much argument from me Bill.
I’ve been saying we need experience for ages.
In the meantime video of the goals added.
The first time I’ve seen them and oh dear 🙁
I sit in the holte and fans are turning, if we don’t beat Palace then that will seal Lamberts fate. In fact most of those around me and when I went to get a tea at HT most fans were saying the players are awful. A lot of fans have turned on Benteke as well
Sorry on my phone most fans are getting sick of it and questioning decisions, tactics, players and the elusive owner. Personally I think Lerner has failed whether or not he has set out with the best of intentions. The football this season is so bad I question the waste of time and money every Saturday on my long journey home from Villa Park.
Maybe Lambert is already on borrowed time then?
I really don’t know what to think, as I don’t trust Lerner to get the right person in next time.
We massively need a footballing person in at the top.
Morgan villa I can well understand it, only today I spoke to a lot of Villa fans they all say the same, this is not Aston Villa, and we not got to except it, Lerner has to intervene for our sake,we have kids trying to do what men have to do in the game, the ddon’t have that bottle.
I’m giving lambert the palace game, we must win and win in style , not a laboured win , anything but and he simply must go !
Then we try again for ole gunner solsjaer befor he takes the Albion job , if Lerner had anything about him he would of put a call in already , rumour has it there’s a lot of unrest in that camp and this time maybe he would come .
Lambert I’m afraid is inept , any way you look at it , signings , tactics and an abysmal home form !
Like to see lamberk go but wouldn’t be happy with ogs. At least lambert was a bit proven with one year in top flight ogs has done well in a Mickey Mouse league and that’s it. He will also be like houllier was and will have a wank fest over utd at every interview forget it.
Go on then who’s your shout ???????
I would like someone like AVB but with someone like Clarke who I think is better as a num 2 and by all accounts a top class defensive coach. We also need a houllier type figure that has top contacts across Europe. The good thing with AVB is he’s already managed a sky 4 club and a top london team and has made his his mistakes with them rather than with us. Also he will have a huge point to prove.
We are not big enough right now to attract AVB. Milan are interested in him.
We would be lucky to get Malkay Mackay. We have to face facts, we are not an attractive proposition at the moment. We are a bit of a poisoned chalice
Avb lol, he may of just been sacked by spurs but he can do a lot better than us at the moment !
We cannot blame Lerner for the appointment of Lambert we can only blame ourselves… It was us fans that sang his name when he was still Norwich manager on the last game of 2011/12. I am totally disillusioned with Villa at the moment and hate attending games, somethings got to change!
That’s the worrying thing, Coe.
I’ve personally noticed quite a few people saying they’re becoming disillusioned with the club.
And it’s not just the younger supporters either.
It’s the old timers too, who’ve seen plenty of mediocrity over the years.
It’s all very worrying.
At least under MON, we had the odd filip, in a decent (or maybe not) signing coming.
Actually, I think that’s very much part of the problem.
We just know that if we’re going to sign anyone at all, they’ll probably be cheap “up and coming” players.
Ie, too inexperienced or just utter crap.
As an ‘Old Timer-ish’ you aint wrong Badger.
I really thought when Lambert came in we were seeing the beginning of a bright new era at VP the start of something special. I though just maybe Lambert would be our new Sir Ron, a man that although lacking in natural charisma, was a football man (like Sir Ron), a Sargent who would build a siege mentality at VP and lead us back to greatness but then mate… my alarm clock went off.
*thought*
Your not on your own with that BWS, did you hear the twat say I thought we played well in the first half, the mans a prat of the first order.as I’ve said he does not have a clue of the game.
Bill it was the winds fault yesterday, yes Mr Lambert, your’e pissing into it.
Same old bollocks unlucky to lose but we go again mumble mumble lamberk out
Lerner appointed MON who lost the plot with the cheque book, he appointed Houllier who left due to ill health that had occurred in a previous job. Lerner appointed McCleish and Lerner has also made the final decision to appoint Lambert. These are a list of errors our chairman has made. Incompetence at its absolute worst
Doug Ellis appointed MON not RL
I stand corrected but he did give him the open cheque book
RL trusted MON and put all his eggs in one basket and we missed out on the CL places. Better to have loved and lost
OK we are paying for it now big time…..
I don’t know about OGS.
I’m minded to agree with Oohah, in that he’s only done anything at a much lower level, the same as all the players we’ve signed.
Maybe that might float Lerner’s boat.
But then, I suspect that seeing as he knocked us back once, we won’t entertain the thought of him.
To hear that he MIGHT (all press talk) be considering the Albion job felt like a kick in the nuts to me, fwiw.
Even though he might not be happy atm, to think he’d entertain Albion with their tight budget after previously knocking us back, sticks in the craw and tells you a lot about how we’re perceived generally, imo.
It’s all very sad, what we’re reduced too 🙁
We don’t know full facts re ogs tbf. At the end of the day if we take our villa hat of would we want to manage villa with fuck all money to spend, no ambition and a clueless chairman. If lambert went I wouldn’t mind AVB but also Rafa Benitez. The only problem with benetez is he would wand at least £50m to spend and very unlikely to get half of that if Lerner. Think benetez did a better job at Chelsea than overhyped mourinho is doing now tbh.
Is there anybody on here who thinks lambert is the future ? He’s not totally to blame , Lerner must take some responsibility but surely we’ve seen enough , I’m a season ticket holder and our home record is simply shite , tonev , Westwood , Bowery , Bennett all shit oh and elmohamady
He is def not the future but then we have no say in who is. If lambert went then who would we get. Malkie mackay, holloway etc. A half decent manager won’t come our way unless we show ambition and spend millions. It ain’t gonna happen.
Martin Laursen i would give a throw of the dice. I think he is gonna be some serious management material. He would proper firm up the defence. Yes it’s a risk but we aint gonna get anyone better who understands what AV is all about
Not sure if he has his A/B coaching licenses though.
Hmmm think laursan is a case if heart ruling head tbh. We need someone that’s been tested at the highest levels not someone who will learn on the job at our expense.
OGS is not tried and tested
who are we realistically going to get?
I would love to see a wildcard like Glenn Hoddle. Ask most professionals who played under him and they will say what undervalued manager he is. We got Houlier from the football knackers yard so why not Hoddle!!! 🙂
Hoddles been out of it too long and has a cushy job talking bollocks of an auto cue on tv
We are going nowhere, that’s the problem. Take away Benteke (when on form) and we are no better than the day Lambert took over.
Anything but a win against Palace and he should be fired. He has 15 months to make this his team…and lets be honest, its shit.
Agreed, I hate to say it but agreed. Lost patience. I don’t even want to go on boxing day, trying to look for excuses not to go
Unbelievable defending for both goals again! So disappointed with Baker this season. And Herd will never be a defender. What is going on?! Fair play to Kozak, he keeps on scoring…
Baker just not good enough makes to many errors. Problem is who else is there
Stoke won’t go down because their home form is good. We are going to struggle because ours is very poor and now our away form is following suit. Will we recover from this bad run of form this time? I’m not sure Benteke is going to save us!
I’m a season ticket holder, and I’ve honestly had enough. It hurts to do it but I really do not want to put in any more effort when the club dishes up one terrible performance after another.
The cost of my two season tickets, cost of fuel, cost of food and drink, and the cost of merchandise all add up to a fair bit of wedge. Not to mention I have a six hour round trip as I live in West Sussex and so each game takes out a whole day.
It’s a long journey home when we loose, but it’s even longer and more depressing when I think of how we lost.
Every game I go to brings out my optimism that perhaps this time we will play well. Only to have my hopes ripped out from me when we are once again served up a performance that would look shocking even in the Northen Conference league. How have we fallen so low?
Aston Villa is in my blood,I can never be free of it, but right now it mocks me. It’s like the perfect girlfriend you have just found out is cheating on you. It hurts and leaves you numb.
I used to love going up to the games. Now each game seems like a bad dream and I no longer want to go. Sad times…
Fair play for making such an effort shame Lerner hasn’t got the same attitude. Very frustrating at vp at the moment lambert and Lerner must go for us to move forward again. Next season if Lerner and lamberk are still here I’d save your money and time and have a nice holiday instead.
I admire your dedication mate. I struggle to go and I live 15 minutes from aston station on the cross city line!
But lets face it Villa may be your perfect girlfriend who is cheating on you but she is also your dirty little secret when we win!!
Fuck it we are gonna hammer Palace on boxing day. Get the car full of fuel and get your ass up from sussex as its gonna be worth it – come on!!!
Lets show abit of ambition. I say get rafa benitez in asap. Give him abit of money and then manage on 15m max per window after. Benotez is massivley under rated
Tom I’d love to see Benitez here he would definitely get us there or there abouts again. Problem is he was considered after houllier but wanted to much money to spend and would want paying big wages so Lerner passed on him. If we got RB and gave him say £50 m he could def take us into top 6 again IMO.
Fuck lambert off i personally atm carn’t see us getting another point in the months to come.collymore quote ‘villa are not a threat to any of the pl teams’doesn’t that just about sum it up.im fucking disgusted & won’t line lerners pocket anymore until things are changed.this is one well & truely fucked off fan & my posts will reflect that.
I think we will beat palace to be fair. Anything less than a convincing win and the holte have to call for his head IMo. Maybe if they start singing for mcjeish Lerner will take notice.
I fucking hope so mate because im well pissed off with the state of affairs at present.
Ooha fuck knows why my username has become capital letter i haven’t instructed the details to.
Looks good though giddy. 🙂
No idea either prob a glitch in wp. Trying signing out and back in again.
I want Lamberk out as much as anyone but come on some of the names mentioned on here: AVB and Benitez, simply crazy, these managers will not work on the peanuts and wage restrictions Lerner has in place.
We’d be lucky to anyone decent, I noticed Ralf Rangnick has been linked to the Baggies job, I’d go and get him. Very organised and good record with signings. An experienced head to tide us through the mess Lamberk has created but I’m not sure we’d even get him atm.
If we did change manger, that means the club would need to change the young hungry bull crap, Lerner will not sack Lambert as he does not want to invest any real cash into us wich ever way you look at it ,,,out with the old in with new is going to cost Lerner money, he does not want that.
Spot on Ryan, as shit as Lambert is it’s the Lerner / Fatty Faulkner show that’s behind Villa’s demise with this penny pinching tight-arsed transfer policy that’s dressed up and spun out ‘Young and Hungry’ bullshit where in reality its simply cheap players on low wages, nothing more nothing less.
Listening to Steve ( Potato Head) Bruce on MOTD this morning talking about the amount of quality WBA had on the bench and were able to bring on to change the game, he then added well that’s what you get when you’ve spent 5 years in the premier league (by that he meant with premier league money coming in ) so just what is our excuse for having a collection of championship players with 21 years in the EPL?
Doug, Randy any answers?
Well its now upto the fans to start making waves, poster have to come out and start letting the club know all is not well with the fans, simple if fans ignore games, merchandise, its got to hurt the club, you only have to look at boxes emptying by the dozens, you cannot sit and take it no more, my 4 seats will not be renewed for next season I don’t even want to go no more cannot take all the shit give in the name of football.
This young hungry bollocks is propaganda from the club. Even when utd have top quality youngsters like Giggs etc they were still surrounded by top experienced pros that helped bring them on like robson, Hughes, pallaster, Bruce and strachen etc. Our youngsters are nowhere near that utd crop in terms of quality so without senior pros like Barry to help bring them on this is as good as it gets.
changing the manager will not do a single thing at all, why would it ?
Blame Benteke but when you are playing with the likes of Westwood, KEA, Lowton, Clark, Baker, Luna then there is only so far that you can drag the dross up.
HairyHands on Villatalk seems to be someone people think has info and Lerner’s wage ceiling is 20k a week, To put that into perspective the young lad at West Brom was given more than that after only playing a few games as he is seen as a major talent.
you could give any manager the wage ceiling Lambert at and tied to the expectation of the fans and they would struggle. Some may mention Swansea in this respect but there are always exceptions.
How can wage ceiling be £20k when benteke weimann renewed for a lot more than that? I agree with you that even mourinho wouldn’t do much better with our team tbh. There is no quality whatsoever. However if you take out the 2 lucky wins v city and saints lamberk would be on his bike now as we’d be in bottom 3-4. These are still lambert signings and I know for an absolute fact we had the money to get Barry and he wanted to come but lambert didn’t even consider it. I was told by ex villa player in the 80s still connected with the club so def true.
the key comment is ‘renewed’ they were all brought in at the wage ceiling or below.
As to Barry stop being fooled by people, the money was not there, the policy is young and cheap and that is someone spinning against Lambert.
Maybe but I heard Barry on incredibly reliable source so trust me on that one.
The Barry story is true, I heard he was offered to us and wanted to come but PL refused because of his age……clueless!
Ianrobo this is a lie. i know for a fact the info you have been given is untrue sorry mate. there are wage restrictions in place but, for example, Vlaar, Betake and KEA all came in on more than £20k
If you honestly think lerner is gonna sack the manager then your dreaming. I quote “we have had to srtip the club right back” is a quote lambert used only recently. There is not a chance in hell lambert will be sacked.
as fans we have a choice… attend games, back the club with whole hearted support during games no matter howits going OR simply stay away and listen on the radio etc where, at least the money outlay is at a minimum
lerner knows that supporter unrest is inevitable and expects asmuch.. he would remember the mcckeish era at the club im sure.
the facts are…… nothing is going to change in the medium term no matter what us fans say or do.. yes we may see lambert go in a couple of seasons but only to be replaced with an equal with the strict rules.
as ive said before as fans we have a choice.. its your individual choice which you take.
lerner may have cut the rope etc… but im glad hes not a Mr Tann or like the blues owners etc
Villa4me sorry mate but you are buying into the bullshit, there is more than enough money coming into Villa it’s just Randy chooses not to spend it.
Ok there was over spend during the MON era but who’s faults that? And why must it be paid back asap?
This it’s a business argument don’t cut it with me either, the Villa is more than just a business and if Lerner thinks of like that the sooner he f**ks off the better.
Sustainability my arse, more a cash cow.
BWS im not buying into anything mate… but the facts are there plain and simple. Lerner is doing what hes doing. ive accepted the fact that were not gonna challenge top4 for a while so ive made my decision to support the club from afar. I still get down and peed off with the way we play and certain results etc though
if you choose to still attend games that’s totally your choice my man
Pick and choose mate, if the price is right!
But Lerner’s spent closer to 50m Euros since Lambert’s been at Villa Park. That’s 3, yes… 3 transfer windows. So Lerner’s spending money, Lerner has always spent money. Villa making a profit on player sales doesn’t happen, and probably won’t under Lerner because he does in fact back his Manager’s. Now what Lambert does with it is completely his fault. He claims there was no money but facts prove that there was money.
Andrew who ever, what ever something is seriously seriously wrong at VP. Shite players, shite football = shite performance, so who’d you blame mate?
For me after the MON era we’ve been blown about like a rudderless ship in a storm with no captain at the helm and that my friend MUST be down to Lerner. He’s the man that ultimately calls the shots and 50m of Mickey mouse money on Mickey mouse players? Lerner at the end of the day sanctioned Lambert’s Aldi spending spree.
I’ve stuck something on the previous thread about Lerner. Maybe it’s wishful thinking but I don’t think Lerner is a bad owner but is (incredibly and expensively) misguided. We need to know his intentions with the club. What if he said he was getting the club on a firm financial standing, removing debt first, and then the investment will come? I don’t know if other clubs in similar situation to ours (i.e. with a ground that isn’t worth anything in terms of knocking it down and building expensive houses) have tried to remove their debt and reset their finances while staying in the PL but if so, how have they done it without a very very rich owner coming in and paying it all off?
A couple of months ago I said we should wait to see what the situation was with Lambert at Christmas. I think the situation is plainly obvious. We’ll have to see what the January window brings and then who knows? Sack Lambert and bring back Bent and Ireland, after all Lerner paid for Bent to rescue us in a January window when we were screwed and not scoring? I almost said reinstate Hutton at RB but there is a line…
I hope for Lamberts sake we beat Palace and Swans as we are already in the bottom part of the table with tough fixtures to come.I really want success at AVFC but you can’t do it on the cheap…..UTV
Unless villa have a man city type takeover we will never taste success again I’m afraid. This is modern football at its worse. Even if lambert signed a couple of world class players in jan they would not e around long enough for us to rebuild. Benteke is surely of in jan and good riddance IMO
I told you Kozak would come good. 😉
Now just imagine if we had a team that actually attacked. He’d be Benteke part 2 from last season.
A goal handed on a plate – Hardly come good. Although he is probably one of the best from a terribly poor bunch
Jay Dee, coming from you, as an always positive supporter, that’s almost an admission that you don’t think it’s working either.
Would that be correct mate?
I don’t think Lambert is any danger of losing his Job and I for one am glad.
I am not totally convinced by his approach. the quality of player we have signed is pretty low or maybe undetermined at best.
the football since the first few weeks has gone backwards although we still managed to pick up points.
I can only hope that we improve. As mentioned above there is no amount of managers fans can ask to be sacked to make up for the fact that you need about a billion pounds to win the premier league from our current position.
maybe 500m over a few seasons to have a decent stab at the top 4 with no guarantee of success.
I am pretty sure that if 50 posters on here now say they want lambert out. 45 o them were fine with his appointment when it came.
I realise that those 45 now state that we have gone backwards that Lambert has been found out, he has had his chance etc etc.
That means that Lambert has had one season and 17 games to achieve whatever it is that villa fans think can be achieved outside the top 5/6 clubs. and without 500m pounds.
We are 14th, 2 points off 10th place.. i don’t see the disaster yet .. (although i am as fed up and as pessimistic about our recent displays)
So I am looking at this from a more long term approach.
(something which i think all fans should do but there you go.)
I am sick of chopping and changing managers every season without the 500m pounds that it would take for a new manager to make any real headway.
I look at swansea, southampton and everton as clubs that we could study and possibly learn something from.
One thing that sticks out is Swansea and southampton have a DOF that keeps them moving in the same direction regardless of staff attrition.
We don’t have that.
every time we sack someone.. we hit the reset button. and there is yet more “deadwood” to clear out before the new man can start in ernest.
so either we get a good football minded well respected and forward thinking DOF to safeguard our strategy in the face of turnover of players and managers or we go the Everton route.
EVerton! ..
how i enjoy watching their games! and on a pittance too! this is a club that is a real example of how to be as successful as possible (at least in the league) without the big budget. (or the trophies)
all their purchases seem to be funded by player sales.
Everton don’t have a DOF or even a chairman who is willing to spend half of what RL has done so far .. but he is a chairman who picked a manager .. young untested scot and gave the stability and say over the team for a decade even when they were facing relegation in the first few seasons.
So anger at rubbish displays of late aside .. whats the point? .. clarke, AVB OGS .. either untested or all fired for failing to meet objectives, poor results or fan unrest ..
How much better could they be?
Even if we did fire Lambert and hire one of the names being mentioned .. they wouldn’t have enough time .. the going rate is a season and a bit at Villa park before another fan revolt
The main problem of course is Lerner. Even if we had mourinho in charge he wouldn’t do much better with that dross. Unfortunately for us it dosnt matter who is manager unless they have at least £50-100m to spend the club will never progress. I’d like to see someone like Benitez but he wouldn’t come in a million years unless Lerners changes tact. Unless Lerner sells mediocre dross is the best we can look forward to until Lerner sells which could be years. If you are happy with this shit for the forthcoming years fair enough pay your money and go. I will support the club if course but will not spend money to watch that shit week in week out
COLONIUS sorry fella but you have a habit of being very wordy with your replies but having little to no substance to back and qualify your argument, for example above you use Moyes at Everton to spin your own little yarn.
Moyes joined Everton on 14 March 2002 and his first full season in charge were edged out of qualification for the following season’s UEFA Cup on the last day of the season by Blackburn Rovers, following a defeat to Manchester United, and finished 7th in the league. Could hardly call that “facing relegation in the first few seasons”.
Plus a Chairman that’s Everton through and through, hardly misses a game and his love for the club is obvious for all to see, could you say the same of Lerner ?And when was the last he honoured with his presence at VP?
Maybe its a quality vs quantity thing badger? 😛 In any case I am not going to apologise for the amount of words i use no more than you will apologise for the volume of posts or comments you leave.
as for lacking substance?
When you cited Evertons finish of 7th in Moyes first full season. you seem to neglect to mention Moyes finish in his second season….
17th ..?
thats out of a 20 team premiership ..
so when i said that Moyes faced relegation in his first seasons
7th in his first full term. As you rightly pointed out.
Then all the way back down to 17th
IS that substantial enough for you?
interestingly enough he too broke a record that year for the lowest points total Everton had ever recorded in the premier league.
he still holds that record.
so Lambert faced relegation last year and is breaking similar unwanted records. He has or only uses a tiny budget ..
say what you will.
Everton backed their manager.
They backed their manager yes but they still won fuck all. They fluked one top 4 finish and never won away v a sky 4 team. Martinez has taken that team to tge next level something moyes could never do.
That’s not really the point oohahh. We all know that unless you drop mega money ie 500m or something ridiculous like that you won’t win anything more than a league cup.
Since that’s not going to happen for villa with Lerner there ( and 12/13 other prem clubs)
Why not emulate a club that has done well in a similar situation – ie Everton.
You and the fans of every club in Europe bar the elite top 4 in each top tier league can continue to lament the reality that we don’t have an oligarch or oil funded team or we can face facts and learn from those who have done better in recent times without this funding such as Everton.
Sorry COLONIUS but you still haven’t mentioned our absent owner/Chair and his feelings/commitment towards the club compared to Kenwright at Everton, there’s simply no comparison.
And what’s he worth £33m? And Randy £630m? Again no comparison.
ha one thing at a time BWS, i thought we were talking about Lambert s performance as manager and whether he should be sacked or not.
lol as for a comparison with kenwright, there is some twisted logic here!
Using just the criteria you mentioned .. money, attendance and appearance etc.
You are saying that whereas Lerner has spent hundreds of millions, kenwright has not .. Lerner is by far the worse chairman. (somehow?)
or you believe that he should have spent more?
you believe as Lerner is worth more he can spend more therefore he is the lesser of the two chairmen.
Whats more he has spent more without making the public appearances or by talking directly to the press or fans.
Kenwright funds player purchases with player sales and says as much while attending games and broadcasting how little money he has.
So why is Kenwright not at fault. surely if he was as selfless and as much of a champion of the peoples club he would sell it? surely mere price wouldn’t be the sticking point if he was he really cared about the club?
or if he truly is the better chairman/owner why would he buy a club he couldn’t afford to fund in the first place?
It seems one has more money, has spent more money and remained quiet and absent while doing it versus one having much less money .. not spending any money but constantly talking about it … ? therefore he is the better chairman?
Unless the much trotted out Lerner is pocketing millions buy running the club on the cheap is also your mantra here?
show me the accounts please .. show me the maths … because that flies in the face of every publicized account for aston villa in the last 5 years that i have ever seen.
If you are so eager to dismiss the actual financial records that have been published in black and white.. why are you so eager to believe Mr Kenwrights?
what is this man paying you!!!
That all said … its quite funny.
Because the ironic thing is that all my posts in this thread have stated that we should be following one of Kenwrights main decisions as chairman of Everton .. he backed his manager long term! through thick and thin .
And yet maybe even funnier again is how you hold our chairman up as the problem but harp on about ridding ourselves of Lambert!
Realistically the whole chairman and manager thing is an either or scenario.
If the owner is the problem because he isn’t funding Lambert or backing him then surely a change of chairman/owner would see Lambert given more of a chance?
Or if that’s not possible then what will Lambert getting the sack mean if the next manager doesn’t get the financial backing either?
Whats the point of getting rid of him after just a season and 17 games. Won’t it just mean that you will be on the soap box again a year and a bit down the road? for the same reasons but with a different managers name..? like a bunch of villa Fans have been for the last 3 managers … I say lets change the record.
It has worked at teams like Everton in recent times(under the very same incomparable Mr Kenwright.
As for full shit! .. the only criteria that qualifies me for that title is that i differ from your opinion it seems.
COLONIUS I have plastic Manc mates that sound like you with their one eyed cyclopic fingers in ears going lar lar lar I’m not listening view.
Merry Xmas but you are full of shit.
And its all gone quiet all gone quiet all gone quiet over there.
haha i take it this in light of yet another brutally inept performance at home .. lets have it then!
i won’t defend that display. It wasn’t good enough. as for palace they were even worse than us in my opinion .. but a little bit of genius by Gayle and boom ..
either way .. there is nothing to brag about from a Villa point of view.
“…Steven Ireland’s transformation as soon as he left springs to mind, here….”
Can that be fleshed out a bit more. ie as in what transformation ?
as far as i know, he has scored a couple of goals so far for stoke .. a team all 2 points of off us.
i am not sure that’s a transformation yet.
He had 3 seasons and about 5 different managers all with different styles and approaches on one of the highest wages at the club
Are you saying Mark Hughes is the manager we should have got for so as to unlock this mesmerising return from S Ireland ?
I don’t get it.
I never read too much about other clubs, but from what I have read, he’s been playing well.
Yes he’s scored a couple of goals and assisted, I believe.
Yes, he’s played under different managers at Villa, so why the sudden improvement at a different club?
“on one of the highest wages”, sums it up.
Maybe it’s been made obvious that he’s wanted and valued, as opposed to our club’s attitude, where it’s been blatantly obvious that “you’re too expensive and we simply want you out”?
So much so, that you sideline these players and make them train with the kids.
How the hell can you be expected to perform with that attitude?
If I was told that, I’d say “f~ck you too”.
Bannan’s another example.
Goes to Palace and immediately starts whipping in corners, as opposed to floating them.
Been pretty good, again, from the little I’ve read.
No, you’ll never get it, if you don’t accept that we’ve gone out of our way to hound any expensive wages players out mate.
And no, I don’t rate Hughes, fwiw.
is benteke not “a big player” he seemed to manage him well ie gave him his start in the premiership .. “managed” him to 22 goals last season and then “managed” to persuade him to stay after he handed in a transfer request with spurs circling? …
How long is that going to last?
You might want to read one of my latest comments, where Benteke is back in Belgium, being treated by the national squad’s physios.
Hmm.
And anyway, Benteke is not a big player yet; he’s still a kid.
how long is what going to last?
Benteke staying at villa?
how long is anything going to last?
how long is a piece of string?
I thought we were talking about evidence or lack there of Lambert management of big players?
Benteke is not a big player he is a kid?
he is 23
ah c’mon now ..
he is older than Hazard, neymar or oscar ..
by your logic they are not big players yet either coz they are “kids”
Benteke in Belgium being treated by Belgian physios ..
i don’t understand what that means in relation to him being a big player and the evidence so far that lambert has “managed” him. Ergo .. you will have seen evidence to the contrary of “Lambert cannot handle big players end of..”
ergo you no longer agree with that statement any more?
I dont know about a big player but he’s certainly got a big head. He dosnt want to be here and is sulking IMO. If this carries on he won’t be in wc squad the only reason he resigned with us anyway. I’m not convinced re the injury either he is off in jan IMO and will make a miraculous recovery to boot for his new club
While that’s possibly true, he has scr.ewed himself if this is the case. The fans won’t forget, and unless a large offer still comes in, he won’t go. Only thing that’s helping him is Lukaku’s been a passenger for the last month at Everton. However replacing Benteke isn’t impossible and there are a few quality young players that would/will join Villa too push on themselves.
Of course unless Lambert’s really babying him and having him hide in Belgium for the next couple of games/weeks.
re: stephen ireland
Maybe it’s been made obvious that he’s wanted and valued, as opposed to our club’s attitude, where it’s been blatantly obvious that “you’re too expensive and we simply want you out”?
So much so, that you sideline these players and make them train with the kids.
How the hell can you be expected to perform with that attitude?
If I was told that, I’d say “f~ck you too”.
he got a chance with each single manager,
thats houllier, mcleish, lambert ..
You are talking about where he ended up .. not how he started.
does that not tell you all you need to know about Stephen Ireland?
lets not forget he had not performed at city either since the hughes days
that makes about 5 seasons, 3 clubs and 4 managers ..
It seems to me he is having an ok season so far at stoke but .. he was doing something similar at villa at first for the 3 different seasons.
then he seemed to end up in the same position .. frozen out and training with the kids ..
Re: Bannan.
I watch all the highlights and goals and bannan has scored one this year but i don’t see any transformation of epic proportions
and even if we did.
Lambert played Bannan. It was always the fans who seemed to be Bannans worst enemy
too many on here called for his head along the way.
Its a bit rich claiming that as another Lambert mistake
Colonius, you seem to be twisting my words.
I’m suggesting Benteke’s head has gone or he’s off.
Lambert managed him so well, there’s no way he will be staying after the summer window.
And I doubt he’ll be with us for that..
There’s something well wrong with him, as we can all see.
That isn’t rocket science.
As for Ireland, it’s plain to me that he needs to be loved and that was never going to happen, as he quite simply costs too much in wages.
I notice you haven’t addressed that point.
There’s a great player there and I’m a fan.
He just thinks too much, for my liking, in fairness.
As for Bannan, I wasn’t one of those that called for him to leave.
I like him.
And still think he pisses all over anything else we’ve got, if you want creativity.
Same again, far too expensive on £25-30k a week, for a club like the Villa.
Face it mate, we’re all about CHEAP.
And it’s doomed to failure.
“As for Ireland, it’s plain to me that he needs to be loved and that was never going to happen, as he quite simply costs too much in wages.
I notice you haven’t addressed that point.”
He was rubbish for man city after hughes left. he was medocre or injured for all 3 full time and 2 interim managers at Villa and now he has scored a couple of goals at stoke and you have the managerial forseight and experience that 5 premiership managers 3 clubs over 5 years couldn’t muster to accurately diagnose why stepehen ireland didn’t perform?
he needs to be loved…whatever that means
does it even matter? dos 60k a week not cover 100 % performance without the need to feel loved?
good riddance i say and i still don’t see a solid counter argument to that.
Bear in mind he went to us against his will as part if the Milner deal. MON didn’t want him period and part of the reason he left. He has more talent and ability in his little finger than the rest of our team put together. He needed to be loved!! So what if it meant a manager putting their arm around him to get a decent performance I’m all for that. Yes he’s on £60k per week big deal. It’s still peanuts to what he could of earned elsewhere with someone of that ability. He had a good spell under lambert this time last and was finally looking good then for no reason whatsoever he gets dropped. This is lamberts fault you do not drop one of our few experienced players when they are playing well!
Tbf Ireland played quite well for last year then lamberk dropped him for no reason for……wait for it Steve Gerrard no, toure no but KAE/Brett Holman ffs. No wonder he didn’t want to know. Lambert cannot handle big players end off. Lambert must go now.
The last game Ireland played was in the infamous night of our league cup exit to bradford .. I know everyone was shit that night .. but to my mind has we not just endured one of the worst periods of results in our recent history?
Ireland was part of that too. his job is an attacking midfielder .. we scored a lot more goals in the second half of last season with him playing
just another manager (that would of been #4 in 4 or more seasons in a row) that dropped Ireland due to underperformance
Lads .. i am sorry but stephen ireland are you kidding me?
I understand the frustration with results and the football on show and its a matter of debate between the lambert out vs lambert in crowd .. but
stephen ireland is not evidence to any kind of managerial failing.
he simply doesn’t have the application to match his talent
“Lambert cannot handle big players end of”.
Until I see anything to the contrary, I have to agree.
Well any player with any experience was shipped out or ostracised, that says it all really.
Spot on.
Or more accurately, anyone who was on decent money (going rate for the prem), got shipped out.
We’re trying to do it on the cheap, simple.
Do not understand why we are having the Ireland and bannan it was not working out for either at the Villa and now they have moved on i hope they do well. If they do we should not reflect on if they should have stayed, maybe both needed a kick up the arse.
our predicament is completely different we are playing some of the worst football i have seen, i have neever seen a team go so tactically backwards in such a short space of time as Villa have this season, something is wrong the players are all inexperienced and possibly punching above weight playing in the prem. Even so we look completely out of sorts out of balance and how long can it take the coaching staff to see our midfield is weak and our left side is useless.
The hoofball is awful too watch and Lambert told us to expect exciting football even that is not happening
You get what you pay for mate.
Totally sick of saying it, tbh.
We sign cheap “up and coming” players and we get shit performances.
That’s how it works.
But it shouldn’t be. The players Villa bought are technical, pass and move players. Yes they’re bargain buys but they’re not these crap English, kick and run players and the way Lambert sets up Villa tactically is 100% wrong for the kind of players Villa do have.