Villa1 – 2 Swansea; Sadly, Sherwood has to go. POLL

LISTEN: Tim Sherwood “It’s a game we should’ve won”

First let me say that I don’t think anyone can fault the effort today.
Sherwood said he’d be picking what he thought was his best side and there’s no doubt whatsoever to my mind that they ran their hearts out for the manager.
Indeed, we looked by far the better side in the first half, although we lacked what was required in the final third, which was only the same as per usual.

We even came out the stronger side in the second half and my thoughts were turning to how long it would last before Sherwood had to change players purely because they were burnt out, having given everything.

And then on the hour, after some really nice play, Jordan Ayew provided a careful, neat header to give us the lead.
1-0 it was and the crowd were absolutely buzzing and the atmosphere fantastic.

But as much as the players tried, it ultimately wasn’t good enough was it?
The lead only lasted a few minutes and Richards, who I thought had had a pretty decent game until then gave away a needless freekick just outside the area, pretty much right in front of the goal.
Guzan positioned himself and I’m sure I’m not the only one who was filled with trepidation.
How often has Guzan just looked like he’s totally in the wrong place from a free?
I’m know nothing about goalkeeping, but even I can see it and it’s been worrying for a long time.
And there was the reply for the equaliser.
Sigurdsson curled one over the wall and Richards, who jumped well, couldn’t stop it.
I’m sure we all knew where it was going and so it proved.

Don’t get me wrong, it was a great free kick, but a better goalie would have saved it and it’s simply a mistake that Guzan has made too many times. I really worry about him now.
After he’d done so well up to that point too.

The game opened up and Grealish came off for Gil.
Gabby had a chance or two, as did Lescott in the dying minutes, but in the 86th minute, Naughton crossed and there were three Swansea players ready to receive, all pretty much unmarked.
Andre Ayew got there first for a fairly easy close range shot to make it 1-2.

And then, that was it.
All over.

So Sherwood played his best side and said that this was a cup final and that we’d win it.
He’s been proved totally wrong on both counts and now I really don’t see where he has left to turn.
We needed the win today and simply didn’t get it.

He has to go, as although I still like him and think he’s been somewhat unlucky, he’s committed Hara-Kari with his statements.
It’s just a matter of if he walks or will the board act now.

I’ll put a poll up to see what you think, but I suspect I already know the answer.

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  1. KentNielsen77
    KentNielsen77 October 24, 2015 at 9:33 pm . Reply

    Good article this from this afternoon:

    Think it helps highlight what a piss poor state of affairs this is.

    I’d be up for Moyes coming in – he certainly wouldn’t play Lescott after the way he engineered his big pay day away from Everton.

    1. KentNielsen77
      KentNielsen77 October 24, 2015 at 9:37 pm . Reply

      Why hasn’t he gone yet? I found myself asking this for well over a season with Lambert and that was nearly too late by the time they pushed him out………..tick tock.

      1. Andrew
        Andrew October 24, 2015 at 10:24 pm . Reply

        Never going to happen after the game. It’ll probably be Monday if it happens.

        1. KentNielsen77
          KentNielsen77 October 24, 2015 at 10:51 pm . Reply

          Never at Villa, you’re right.

          1. Andrew
            Andrew October 25, 2015 at 4:05 am . Reply

            Nah, nowhere. Rarely does a manager ever, ever, sack a manager the day of a game. A day or two later, sure.

          2. KentNielsen77
            KentNielsen77 October 25, 2015 at 7:27 am . Reply

            Brendan Rodgers sacked an hour after draw with Everton…….

          3. GIDDYVILLAN
            GIDDYVILLAN October 25, 2015 at 7:52 am . Reply

            KN I did hear he was told before the game with Everton,I can’t for the life of me think from where.there was a Chelsea manager also told directly after an away game again forgot who.

    2. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain October 24, 2015 at 9:55 pm . Reply

      Personally I don’t believe Moyes to be the answer. He looks like another manager who’s lost his way. Five or six years ago he’d have been a good bet, but he held out for his Holy Grail of being invited to OT, and we’ve all seen what happened there, and now he’s struggling in Spain as well…

      The more I think about it, the more I bleieve that we actually need a hungry European manager rather than another dour Scotsman!

      1. KentNielsen77
        KentNielsen77 October 24, 2015 at 10:11 pm . Reply

        It’s a real though one isn’t it Ardent? Who is the best option? We’ve tried young (ish) and hungry, will being from mainland Europe help?

        The club just can’t (but probably will) get this one wrong. I’d take Moyes on the basis that he was considered good enough for the United role, and that I probably wouldn’t be very good at my job if I tried to go and do it in Spain either 🙂

        1. Ardent Villain
          Ardent Villain October 24, 2015 at 10:31 pm . Reply

          I honestly don’t watch enough European games, or follow the personalities, to know ‘who’ we should be looking for [-FWIW, last season I did think Ranieri would have been a good shout to replace Lambert…].

          I just think that at some point almost every ‘good’ manager reaches a point where he’s suddenly past his sell-by date – think of Big Ron at the end of his VP days – and it looks to me as if Moyes was as at his peak at Everton and has slid rapidly down the other side since he left them.

          1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
            OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2015 at 10:39 pm . Reply

            Moyes is damaged goods the players will look at how poor his record has been the past 2 seasons. Yes he will get a few decent results on the bounce like all new managers but the players will just think he’s another useless soft touch like Lamberk was

      2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2015 at 10:13 pm . Reply

        Plus he’s only got the same record as Sherwood in the Spanish league how does failure qualify him for us

    3. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2015 at 10:12 pm . Reply

      What about Miguel Herrera

      1. KentNielsen77
        KentNielsen77 October 24, 2015 at 10:29 pm . Reply

        The guy sacked by Mexico for assaulting a reporter? Yep, that’s not risky.

        Moyes’ record in the Premier League with Everton qualifies him for us. A team with a limited budget who had to repeatedly their best players (not sure who ours are) and rebuild. That’s sadly where we are OohAah. He builds teams based on a solid defence, and knows about defending as he was a centre half himself. He’d also be more than keen to prove a point coming back in to the premier league.

        1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
          OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2015 at 10:37 pm . Reply

          No dont want Moyes. His assault on reporter he’s apologised for and the reporter was winding him up for years. He is a forward thinking manager who got Mexico to Brazil his sides play attacking football are brave and never say die. He is a good motivator too. I’m sick of these boring clone British managers like Moyes or Rodgers they are at best average. We need a foreign manager with a brain not another dour Brit.

      2. marvin
        marvin October 24, 2015 at 11:46 pm . Reply

        Miguel Herrera would be comedy and media gold! He wouldn’t be a good fit though.

  2. Morgan Villa
    Morgan Villa October 24, 2015 at 10:10 pm . Reply
    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2015 at 10:22 pm . Reply

      Good article Morgan but Collymore was right why are none football people buying players for a manager it’s totally wrong. They can stick their American power ball bollox where the sun dosnt shine. They may as well just get the the canteen lady to manage the club if that’s what they doing. Total joke

    2. marvin
      marvin October 24, 2015 at 11:43 pm . Reply

      An interesting read. I think I used part of this article on the other page, but what struck me as interesting was the notion that maybe Sherwood is and always was seen as a stop gap manager. There was always a disconnect between Sherwood and the club, and long before this whole transfer misunderstanding, so who knows maybe the new manager is someone they couldn’t convince last year but have been eying up for a while (ie. Klopp to Liverpool)

  3. Morgan Villa
    Morgan Villa October 24, 2015 at 10:25 pm . Reply

    The club is rotten to the core and it is down to Lerner, however a top manager on 2m a year should be able to get something from these players. As much as i like Sherwood as a bloke i feel he is not a Footbal Manager. He would make a great TV pundit as he has the charisma that a lot of current pundits do not have.

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2015 at 10:27 pm . Reply

      Collymore hammering the club again fair play but we know all this already

      1. marvin
        marvin October 24, 2015 at 11:34 pm . Reply

        Collymore is just trying to stay relevant – personally he does himself and the club he apparently cares about no favors.

    2. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain October 24, 2015 at 10:34 pm . Reply

      In other words, Sherwood is about as much use in management as his mate Shearer, and as arrogant as Roy Keane for thinking that he could just walk in and manage at this level…!!

      1. Morgan Villa
        Morgan Villa October 24, 2015 at 11:16 pm . Reply

        Yeah, he has more charisma than Shearer. Always felt shearer was a bit of a snide. I like Tim and so do a lot of people but that is all he has to offer

  4. jvillan
    jvillan October 24, 2015 at 10:29 pm . Reply

    there is no defence for sherwood after the last 3 teams he put out todays was shocking set up to lose better players on bench or not even there he wants pay off and he not going unless he gets it
    i know going over same stuff but guzan has made 4 big errors last 10 matches yet we have signed 2 keepers yet none good enough to replace him
    hutton shocking player was shunted out any where but now first choice could make it up
    lescott even pullis didnt rate him
    richards poor captain choice would do as rightback
    richardson another of the brigade played for man u must be good worse than hutton
    gana does ok mind just
    bacuna maybe as awide player in 442 but never as 1 of 3
    grealish needs few weeks on bench
    ayew goal today think there is decent player there
    rudi would do as impact sub no more
    gabby dogs bollocks never did i despise a villa player in team as much last 6 years complete fraud

    players not playing today
    bunn could he be any worse
    ilor what was point signing him
    okore /clark/crespo 2 from them 3
    sanchez vertout
    gil traore sinclair
    kozak has to be worth a try

    1. Morgan Villa
      Morgan Villa October 25, 2015 at 12:35 am . Reply

      Bunn must be really shit if Guzan is keeping him out.

  5. jvillan
    jvillan October 24, 2015 at 10:34 pm . Reply

    left out amavi
    it is still sherwood set up sides picking teams not playing summer signings,want to lose players with losing mentality good team today then tim 6/7 last years players
    2 games in is last 6 home games in which we scored
    we ll not be fighting relegation while i am in charge

  6. Hitchens 60
    Hitchens 60 October 24, 2015 at 10:35 pm . Reply

    It doesn’t matter how much you say it, it doesn’t make it happen. We went through this in the sixties and seventies and it nearly destroyed the club – and now again we have an inept Board led by an inept owner and chairman who doesn’t even bother to come to Villa Park anymore.

    We slipped two divisions then, mark my words we will slip two divisions again but this time it will be many years before we return (if we return) to the top such has become the gulf in finance between the Prem and the rest – and next season it gets worse.

    I really fear for our great club but until Lerner goes and we get new owners and management nothing is going to change and, frighteningly, Lerner will probably get the sale completely wrong as well.

    Maybe I’ll feel better in the morning but I doubt it.

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2015 at 10:42 pm . Reply

      Agreed and ironically rekegation may mean Letner goes as he wont get as much sky money and crowds will be much lower. He deserves to go down and do do the fans for supporting this shit for so long and not voting with their wallets.

      1. Hitchens 60
        Hitchens 60 October 24, 2015 at 10:54 pm . Reply

        I understand your point OohAh and to be fair you’ve been consistent in your views even though many of us disagreed with you – you probably wish you hadn’t been so right. The majority of fans support their club with blind optimism (and I Don’t mean that as a criticism) and I’m one of them – it will always get better is the view so they keep going and supporting – that’s what fans do. In any case most revenue flows through the TV deals.

    2. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain October 24, 2015 at 10:42 pm . Reply

      H60 – the most frustrating part is that only Lerner can actually sell the club or give it extra funding.

      There’s no way of forcing him to do it [and we’ve seen what US owners can do to UK subsidiaries if they decide to ‘walk’ away…] and as far as any of us are aware, there’s no secret consortium of wealthy Villa fans out there to make him a realistic offer.

      And so many used to moan about Deadly…

      1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath October 24, 2015 at 10:49 pm . Reply

        Deadly was crap as well and he sold to Lerner. Lerner has officially got the club for up for sale to appease the fans unofficially he has deliberately priced the club out the market imo. Once we go down we will probably never recover and if we did it could take up to 20 years Leeds are a classic case b

        1. Hitchens 60
          Hitchens 60 October 24, 2015 at 10:56 pm . Reply

          Deadly was the reason we failed to build on winning the league and the European Cup. Nottingham Forest is another good example OohAh.

        2. Ardent Villain
          Ardent Villain October 24, 2015 at 11:02 pm . Reply

          And so many still moan about Deadly!

          C’mon, when, after William McGregor, have we ever had owners who were any good??

  7. jvillan
    jvillan October 24, 2015 at 11:02 pm . Reply

    how much will lerner lose by us going down all new players will be discounted to get rid off,all new contracts hutton westwood gabby its frightening ,and with mighty fox in charge we will drop like a stone hard to believe its only 6 springs ago cheating ref cost mon a cup win

  8. jvillan
    jvillan October 24, 2015 at 11:07 pm . Reply

    seen interesting stat it took lambert 28 games to lose 14,sherwood managed in 22

    GIDDYVILLAN October 25, 2015 at 6:16 am . Reply

    Dicanio after the baggies mauling he made his own way home.

      GIDDYVILLAN October 25, 2015 at 6:30 am . Reply

      The above is a reply to Andrew don’t know now why it landed here

      1. Im Ronny Pickering
        Im Ronny Pickering October 25, 2015 at 8:32 am . Reply

        I took time to watch MOTD, the free kick I’d say on Cuzan 50-50 he lay blame by saying I couldn’t see the ball, the wall did jump high and have to say excellent kick, Cuzan positioning was wrong to far over and unable to get at the ball, as for the players no wanting ,no passion, no belief in themselves as footballers, they are lost to what to do, all that is down to Sherwood, he had the Gaul to make excuses in an interview by saying clubs in a hole not him, looking at Sherwood I’d say he knew its over for him and tried to talk the talk by saying I can hold my head high, he’s a broken man.

        1. saddened
          saddened October 25, 2015 at 8:44 am . Reply

          It’s simple, we haven’t had a proven premiership manager since houlier – as one with this experience would not stand for the way the club is run. If we sack Sherwood and get Moyes we should all try and be happy, as I cannot see anyone else want to blemish their CV with this pile of shite at the present time.

          We can mention European managers, but they would need time to adjust, time we just do not have.

  10. Im Ronny Pickering
    Im Ronny Pickering October 25, 2015 at 8:59 am . Reply

    True enough Saddened, you would have thought Sherwood had more sense before taking the job on, bet he thought I’m the man? have to say done himself no favour up till now,but them player’s are lost in football know how, its coming on in five mins having another look.

    1. Hitchens 60
      Hitchens 60 October 25, 2015 at 9:02 am . Reply

      You’re a glutton for punishment Bill – I can’t watch it once let alone twice!

      1. Im Ronny Pickering
        Im Ronny Pickering October 25, 2015 at 10:38 am . Reply

        Hitch, you know what? I’ve just noticed someone who use to work on turnstiles sitting in the dugout, they wouldn’t do that would they? recruited internal be honest we would get better coaching from the council parks games, well that’s it for me spending my £sd on gardening and allotment, even going out to get drunk today for a change, we are down and out.

  11. 88
    88 October 25, 2015 at 9:14 am . Reply

    Last year PL managed to get us 10 points in the first 4 games and we squeaked relegation by 1 place. This year Tim has got 4 points in 10 games. Enough said.

    However, I fear Randy won’t sack him, not because he is hopelessly out of his depth, or out of loyalty, but because of the run of fixtures we have got. Put a new man in now to face City, then go to Spurs Everton and Saints and he would be finished before he starts.

    I expect Tim to get another month, then we will try to bring a miracle worker in to get us back from the dead before Christmas. Will it be too late?…. Probably

    1. Hitchens 60
      Hitchens 60 October 25, 2015 at 9:23 am . Reply

      What’s the difference – we’re finished before we start that run of games anyway. Might be better to bring in a new manager ahead of a run of games where fans will have zero expectation anyway. Looks like we’ll be stuck on 4 points for quite some time – at least I’ve got a month in the sun to look forward to 4,000 miles from Villa Park with plenty of rum.

    GIDDYVILLAN October 25, 2015 at 9:29 am . Reply

    I do believe we’re now the worst team in the league Sunderland now have a 12th man in fat Sam.we fluked it last season & tbh should of been feels like a slow & painful death but I’m now prepared for the worst.

    1. Saddened
      Saddened October 25, 2015 at 9:47 am . Reply

      Giddy it wont be slow , as i think we will be almost gone by Xmas…. But it could be painful !!

      1. Hitchens 60
        Hitchens 60 October 25, 2015 at 11:34 am . Reply

        Painful is being relegated on the last day after living with hope for 38 games. I’m with you, reckon we’ll be gone long before the end if the season in which case I suspect most of us will have stopped bothering.

    2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 25, 2015 at 12:58 pm . Reply

      Death by a thousand cuts

  13. Im Ronny Pickering
    Im Ronny Pickering October 25, 2015 at 11:44 am . Reply

    Your probably right Hitch reported some Yank put 10 grand on Villa to sack their manager,

  14. jvillan
    jvillan October 25, 2015 at 12:38 pm . Reply

    it is but they are all on sherwoods back for tactics team selection dropping amavi

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 25, 2015 at 1:01 pm . Reply

      He’s been sacked just announced

  15. nath ur barred
    nath ur barred October 25, 2015 at 1:04 pm . Reply

    How many managers are we gonna go through, before we look further into the club. to see its rotten to the core. when a football manager isnt consulted in recruiting his playing staff and a non football person does the recruiting. alarm bells must be going off.

    last season and years before we have had a bottom 5 finishes, reasons are either poor managers or poor finances handed to the managers. but for the board or who ever is running the show, to hand over just the money recouped in transfers only and not replace the players that left properly. all the summer signings had one thing in common. COULD be a good signing in the long haul, but not instant.

    finally whos next ???? do we really care anymore. i really cant see this current squad as it stands surviving, true it will improve as players settle and get up to speed. but a football person would have known this and not made this amateur mistake.

    oh and heard brad guzan is getting blamed for the first goal. i think sometimes you have to applaud the freekick. brads position looked spot on for me. the wall jumped, so hats off to the taker

    back to the stone, i crawled from under 🙂

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