I could have posted this straight after the game, but felt the overwhelming sense of disappointment that I felt after us only taking a point, would have seriously clouded my judgement.
It seems I wasn’t alone either, having read plenty of calls for Bruce’s head after just this solitary game.
Yes, I know. Those of you who won’t have Bruce at any price will quite rightly say that you made up your minds about him last season and that’s fair enough.
I’m not his biggest fan myself, but I do believe he needs to be given a chance before we all start calling for him to be sacked, if only because it surely can’t help the manager himself or the team.
I recall saying only a couple of weeks back that our opening fixtures concerned me and if you look at our first six games or so, it’s definitely a worry.
Given the major disgruntlement after yesterday’s game, I wonder what the clamour will be like after those fixtures have been played?
It’s fair to say the expectation is massive and I’ll bet Bruce is feeling the pressure already.
Who’d be a football manager?
But then, I’m not convinced he helped himself by starting Bacuna. He’s at best average. I’ve said that I believe Bruce thinks he’s a good player to have around because of ability to play pretty much anywhere.
But to actually start him over Green?
I really can’t understand that.
But then, while the result was crushing, especially after having such a good start and getting the early goal, where it looked like we were going to run out three or four nil winners, so upon reflection I actually think the game was more about the way Hull played as opposed to us.
And Hull quite frankly were a shambles at the back for the majority of the first half, which I think is what made us look very decent.
Leonid Slutski (what a great name) will have been much the happier manager yesterday, as his side did a pretty good job of getting it together and not letting their heads drop.
Whereas Bruce will rightly have the hump after we let them back into the game so easily.
The worrying thing is we could all see their goal coming, yet nothing changed.
So all in all, many of us expected a draw and that’s what we got.
I said I also don’t read too much into the first game especially, as anything can happen, so I’m just going to view it as a one-off and reserve judgement for a few weeks down the line, where we’ll have a better idea of how we’re really shaping up.
And while this post might seem downbeat, I actually liked some of the things I saw.
Terry and Chester look a decent central pairing; We actually had players attacking the box occasionally and Green looks pretty sharp. I even think we tried to go forward more instead of continually passing sidewards and backwards. Hogan makes great runs, although of course we still can’t read/see them and Johnstone looks reasonably competent in goal. Even Gabby looked like he’d worked his socks off by the end of the game and if he can add another 12-15 goals this season, I might begin to rate him again.
And yes, Lansbury was rubbish, but even so, I liked the way he put himself about and can see something in him, which will hopefully manifest itself in better performances.
And most importantly, we created chances aplenty.
Of course it wasn’t all good.
Whelan looked like a man possessed and was probably lucky to not get sent off. Bacuna was just all round rubbish. We still give the ball away far too much because of poor passing, putting pressure on ourselves and probably worst of all, we don’t convert our chances.
And they weren’t rubbish chances either.
I sat with my head in my hands after Green missed when it seemed easier to score, for instance. Not that I’m pointing the finger at him; our main strikers were equally or even more guilty.
I think what I’m getting at is, that after reflection, I’ve realised that we have four or five players out who possibly would have started today.
And there are many squads in this league who would like to be in our position.
IF we can start getting our act together, I see possibilities.
This is a marathon, not a sprint and we definitely have the tools.
It’s up to the manager to use them correctly and one tip I’d give him, is only use Bacuna when it’s absolutely necessary.
Our biggest problem is going to arise if we don’t quickly get into our stride and start bagging wins.
The pressure’s on, Steve.
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137 responses to “Villa 1 -1 Hull; belated thoughts, good and bad.”
Oh, I read the aforementioned article that looked at the facts and figures and it was indeed quite interesting. But I still came away with the same conclusion that I always do, in that stats are meaningless.
There’s only one way to win a game and that’s put the ball in their net, more than they put it in ours. The rest is just noise.
As for sacking Bruce, I’m really not sure I see it, because of the money situation.
Unless Xia can come up with something similar to the £200+ million that PSG seem to have magicked out of thin air.
But I’m convinced the clamour will be massive in a few weeks time.
Will Xia be able to ignore it?
As for Samba going up front, i just thought “WTF?”
It might seem a totally daft idea, but come on, if he’d have knocked one down for one of the strikers to score, who wouldn’t have said it was a genius move?
At least it can’t be said that Bruce or one of the coaches don’t have anything at all up their sleeves.
Crap idea looking back, but at least it made me laugh.
so how long do you give bruce then
as for terry chester go look at goal again terry zonal marking chester goes with his man they had a month to work on this
gabby and bacuna less than 60 touches between them
All fair comments, JVillan.
But I can’t consistently look on the bad side of everything as you do, even though I’ve said I have doubts about Terry, don’t rate Gabby and think we should have sold Bacuna.
Which reminds me, did anyone see that Terry was chasing a pundit’s job at BT, only to get knocked back because of Rio Ferdinand working for them?
So much for his being 100% committed to Villa.
I really don’t believe playing footy and punditry go together.
Oh, fwiw, Bruce will either get the whole season or he’ll be sacked after a couple of months.
It’s what I was suggesting in the post (probably not very clearly).
After 2 months is too late damage will be done and another season wasted. I agree Terry is in it for himself. He joined because we would let him pursue his manager and pundit career. Won’t be long before he’s sitting in the MOTD studio with that smug liberal crisp seller and the no personality Shearer
Gotta love the hypocrisy of the jug eared crisp seller pontificating while taking a pay cheque from a company sacking workers in India for having the audacity to join a trade union.
badger
yes i never wanted bruce simply he is not up to task,and nearly 10months on raft signings we are further back than ever,like come on first came season we resort to putting centre half up front from a sub, like game v watford we start off good 20/30mins in 2 novice managers suss us out
Bruce has to go now or not at all. It’s pointless getting rid if him after 10 games when damage is done we would of wasted another season as midtable team
So we spend millions on strikers and he sends a centre half up front disrupting our attacking rhythm whilst doing so. It smacked of desperation Bruce is clueless like all our past managers
Nice to see you’re as positive as ever, Oohah 🙂
The interview on c5 got me bruce spouting on about the team being anxious at vp but just who’s fault is that??
Who’s job is it to get them prepared mentality and physically?
He looks a broken man resigned to his fate.
It’s strange how we do that to managers, isn’t it BWS?
Or actually maybe it isn’t.
Is it because the pressure at Villa is way bigger than most other clubs?
I suspect it might be, you know.
Bruce has already said it, after all.
Are perhaps badger the managers aren’t big enough for the club?
Big Ron, Martin O’Neill, Graham Taylor, Brian Little and the likes never had an issue.
Perhaps it says more about the managers we are employing than the club?
Possibly so.
But I can’t think of a name bigger than Bruce that would come to us.
That’s the circle that needs to be squared, isn’t it?
We won’t attract anyone in this league .
But then, didn’t even Brian Little crack in the end? Ellis certainly hinted that he did.
was it not ellis interference that did little in,signing of collymore was all about deadly same as ginola
Bruce isn’t even a big name anymore. But we don’t need a big name, we need a fresh name and a fresh start. We’ve gone through the process of multiple Steve Bruce’s. O’Neill, Sherwood, Lambert, McLeish. Why and how is Bruce any different too them? Other than he doesn’t win like O’Neill did. He’s not. His football’s outdated, he has no plan B, his tactics are useless. Have you ever just wondered that maybe other teams aren’t going for British managers because they’re awful? Chelsea (Italian), Spurs (Argentine), Liverpool (German), United (Portuguese), Arsenal (French), Everton ( Dutch), even going down. Watford went for Marco Silva instead of giving someone like Monk chance,Huddersfield and Newcastle went up with a German and a Spaniard, West Ham went with a Croatian. How many English managers are even in the top flight anymore? Maybe a quarter of the sides? The current British manager is outdated. Big name isn’t necessary, someone with fresh view points are. That’s all we need.
Remi Garde and Houllier French!! But I take your point.
Andrew going by your theory employ foreign how the fuck does any young English manager get a chance to prove themselves if clubs always went abroad????
Oohah, Remi Garde got screwed over. I’ll back him until I’m blue in the face. We’ll never know the potential he had for us.
Houllier got us to 9th, and had deals for Cabaye and Gervinho done.
Clubs do always go abroad. Why is it Villa’s problem that English managers can’t manage? They can prove themselves elsewhere. Bruce has been managing for like 20 years, and we’re the biggest club he’s been at, and that’s a Villa side in the Championship ffs. And he’s known as one of the top English sides. The likes of Brentford, Burnley and Bournemouth can work on bettering English managers. We need to better ourselves.
What about Venglos nearly took us down! Though I do agree I would much rather have a foreign manager than the same old grey dinosaurs we’ve had in the past few years.
I got a bollocking for shouting out the F word …even though I was up in the box room…..when deep in the 2nd half we were faffing around with it and the ball came out around the touchline just inside their 1/2 …and our player shaped his body towards our goal and all he could do then was pass back……he had about 10 yards in front of him and could have tried to take on the man or at least get it forward…….most of the players were of the same mindset by that time and it really was the end for me…..wanted to switch off there and then but got almost to 90 mins.Was a wreck by that time.
Why does it need a good manager to shout like a nutter to the players to get on the front foot when I can see it – forget being tactically aware …what the hell are all those wally coaches doing next to him…leave the bloody tactics to them…presumably they get the tactics over to them at BMH so no whats required…cannot see why the owners – past and present let the managers bring in about 30 coaches over the last 10 years and dont question what they actually do.
3 away next and if we havent got into a positive mode and bagged almost full points ( and into next round) after next home match its time for a major overhaul again.
Dont want the humiliation again but the games up for Brucie. I’m sorry to say.
how long was bob bradly in charge at swansea ?? what was his record ?? all foreign managers are a sure success. the guy you mentioned in last thread. the German who took over from neville. his record was pants.if he was such a great manager, he should have been able to sort it out.
its ok for badger to back the manager temporary. who ever it maybe. but i do same i accursed to being a bruce fan lmao by i guy i am not allowed to reply to in case i am accused of stalking. shouldn’t sprout so much shit and maybe ppl wouldn’t reply to your idiocy
i hope we do lose the next how many games it take to sack bruce. just so the bulshit on here improves. i hate the same excuses managers fault. this and that. i will guarantee the next next manager won’t be everybody’s cup or tea. supporting your club means doing just that. one bloody game. if the players did their jobs and scored the sitters. we would still be having this discussions. its not about anything other than bruce hate. no matter what results. hes not welcome by some fans
Nath I’m getting to the point just sack Bruce, it’ll keep the few on here happy oh & then it’s a new squad, players needing time to gel oh but hold on we’re having issues with FFP so there ain’t going to be a lot of money in the transfer kitty watch all the bullshite excuses coming out
Nath, I’m not saying a foreign manager will be successful. And some do manage like English managers do. However our history of recent British managers is awful. From O’Neill to McLeish to Lambert to Sherwood to now. What’s changed between them? Besides O’Neill spending a lot of money and being somewhat successful. We’ve had no success with British managers, so why is it so hard to get that maybe, just maybe, something new will change us and we’ll benefit? And don’t bother bringing up Garde, he got screwed. Working Under Xia, he’d be able to prove if he was a good manager or not, no one could work under the garbage that crap of Lerner and Fox and everyone else that undermined him. We could get foreign managers for the next 5 tries, and they be all failures, however that will be something completely different too what we’re used too, and it might go well, but currently the way we keep going with managers, is failing.
The only two managers I’d want who are “experienced” in England right now, is Dyche and Rodgers, the latter being the more obvious choice. Dyche is literally the only locally based manager that has a system and buys for that system, not just buying the best Championship players and hoping for the best.
MON had the best chance ever to make is great and failed miserably. Always saying players were tired by March until they started to believe it themselves. He wasted the most money any manager before or after will ever get chance to spend. Imo he ruined the club if only we had someone like a Benitez or Pocchetino at that time things would be different now
Ps you’ll see me on here win lose or draw shame I can’t Say that about everyone
Sacking managers every six months has got us where exactly? We’ve tried the ‘young fresh’ approach and we’ve tried the continental approach and we are now where we are. Everybody was crying out for someone with a track record of success in the championship and that’s what we’ve got. I can’t say I’m a great fan of SB but we’ve surely got to get behind the team now? Positives – thought Chester and Terry look like they can defend a set piece (after how many seasons?); thought hogan made great runs first half and Lansbury teamed up to close down the space and create chances. We even managed to break quickly on a couple of occasions. Negatives: Bruce never reacted at all to Hull’s change of tactics and we ended up with Whelan and Lansbury sitting too deep and so hogan was totally isolated. Putting Samba upfront for 5 reminded me of sticking the shit fat kid on for a two minute run around out of harms way so he could at least say he’d been on.
Fwiw, I don’t think the manager’s nationality has anything to do with anything.
Certainly when I talk about big names, I mean strong characters who can handle/control the players.
Garde didn’t fail because he was French, but because he didn’t have a strong enough personality, imo and it was probably evident, which is why they wouldn’t back him.
A foreign manager would be OK with me, as long as he’s actually achieved something in the game. But his spoken English should be excellent.
was reading sumat Dean Saunders wrote about leeds. he was talking about them having too many managers. that’s one of the main reason they haven’t returned to premiership. if we are not careful that is exactly our fate.
Is it me or have we only played 1 game?….is it me or are we a point better off than this time last season? Is it me or have we scored one more goal than we did this time last year? Is it me or is our goal difference better than it was this time last year. Is it me or are we creating more chances and defending better than this time last year? Is it me or is this site full of negative whingers? Is it me or is there still 45 league games to play?
FFS get a grip! Wins at Colchester and Cardiff this week!….is it me or will you negativors will still find something to moan about?….of course you will!
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The game could and should have been put to bed in the first 45 but the second half Hull came out all fired up, first to the ball and wanted it more, we had no answers and didn’t (or couldn’t) match it.
Now against a Warnock side you’re gonna get that x2, so unless our lot are right up for it they’re gonna struggle Saturday (imo).
that was how i saw it bws. taking our chances has to improve
Could say Is it me….but…Bruce had a large part of last season and the much lauded pre season and we get to a proper match and even though we started up tempo you could see it change and we got through to half time – just. …but why couldnt the bench see anything wrong ?.
Then to have not done anything during the break was just like last season and cannot see there being anything different in future games.
In the ideal world all the 1/2 time team talk needed to be was “lets get at them like you did at the start”……forget what Hull changed we just sat off them and never closed down anyone…….
Dont want to be negative but can anyone really see things being different in the future……
I agree with some of your comments….play the same for the full 90mins, hard to disagree with that. Thats one of the two things got wrong on Saturday, the other was playing Bacuna! But its still only one game and I know we will improve and be promoted!
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No happy bunnies in this warren. However Hull’s goal, involving 3 one touch plays including the volleyed shot was given goal of the weekend by the Times. The defence had covered the high percentage outcomes so I am not complaining. We had an easy chance, headed wide of an open goal, to win it after they equalised.
Why we were not further ahead can be related to my oft-recounted concept of building teams from the back. We have improved the leadership, the GK and the defence for this season over last. Before you can criticise the forwards you have to see them playing in front of a dominant midfield. We are a long way from that, you will know we have got there when you see Villa playing out time with possession football in the final third – Sir Alec’s preferred tactic. I doubt our midfield are capable of it.
The draw was frustrating, but if we can pair it with a few wins then it simply won’t matter anymore. That’s a big if though. First team travelling to Warnock’s Cardiff this season will be a massive test for us, and a big indicator if we are making any progress. We simply didn’t win enough away games last year, and that’s the stat that has to change if we want to be up there come the end of the season. I know some on here aren’t one for stats, but that’s quite simply a massive one that needs rectifying.
As for the Hull game, well, I still can’t understand how we don’t have 3 points. However I can’t understand the blaming of Bruce, only thing he got wrong for this game was starting Bacuna. Yet we don’t give him any credit for the good things he has done, remember when we were all saying it was a waste of time bringing Gabby back in from the cold? Certainly didn’t look it during this game, he still can’t finish but he got the important goal and especially in the second half, he tracked back to win the ball from his man numerous times, ran himself into the ground. If he continues in that vain this season, it could certainly feel like we are back in 2008.
Hogan had his best game for us yesterday, he could have had a brace before halftime. Not if, but when he gets up and running with some goals, he will be very hard for the opponents to stop. I was worried, but hopefully him and Gabby can continue like they did against Hull and we shall be fine, as we know when Kodjia comes back goals will not be an issue. Don’t understand the hate on Lansbury, sure he disappeared in the second half but so did a few of the players. As for the first half, well I thought he was excellent. Really put himself about and was everywhere. Could have had an assist if Gabby could finish and he continues to be a threat on set pieces. There were more positives than negatives for me on a Saturday, unfortunately we just somehow only came away with a point.
Well rounded post mate. Makes alot of sense. Hogan will score loads this season IMO. far too early to judge Bruce yet. I Don’t think we’ll be seeing Bacuna in the starting 11 for some time! Only criticism for me is too cautious in the 2nd half and starting Bacuna. Hull should have been out of sight at half-time. As you rightly say, frustrating!
Our Samba Forward!
There has been the odd comment about Samba coming on up front. I don’t see this as a problem for three reasons:
a) tradition – I recall a number of occasions where Saint Alan Evans would stay up front when we desperately needed a goal.
b) Samba used to play that role for Blackburn in similar situations. We all remember him as being pure quality at this time.
c) no one else on the bench could play that role.
Do you agree?
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Evans started his career as a forward Sir Ron turned him into a centre half (so he had some idea how to play up front).
I can never work out how managers when on pundits couch instantly know when and where things are going wrong and how and when to rectify things…..back in the dugout then sit/ stand there like the rabbit in the lights…..The team were doing O K. early on but we’re slowing down…..it needs someone….remember Fergie ….to get at them loud and quickly.
I’m kind of looking forward to the Colchester game, let’s be honest we should be going through but I’d imagine players like Hourihane, Green, Onomah and Hepburn-Murphy will be starting. Hopefully they can take their chance and force their way into Bruce’s plans for Saturday. After the opening day loss and humiliation at Luton last year, a comfortable win Wednesday will be just what the doctor ordered. Should add an extra bit of confidence heading into the game Saturday.
Villaaway, I’ve never been convinced the dug-out is the best vantage position.
Indeed, I’d suggest that a wide angle television view is much better for seeing what’s going on, especially when it comes to width etc.
ifiruledtheworld your post was a great read 🙂
Cheers pal.
Sidforever makes good point about samba used as emergency forward.
when you are chasing a game. you have to use anything and everything you can. fans calling this old school or prehistoric but its effective. samba is like 6.5 how can you defend against this. he can score or knock down balls for others. just by him being there will cause havoc and create space. its not like starting there its just a last throw of the dice, when all other things av failed
we shouldn’t be apologizing for using a strength or weapon
Jeez, with this theory we might as well find a load of 7 foot plus NBA players and stick them upfront to win flick ons…..
If we had a pro active manager in the first place, he’d be reacting to whats happening in the game instead of sitting back and waiting for the inevitable equaliser and then defaulting to stick the big man upfront regardless of what his actual position on.
Its a) lazy b) shows a lack of tactical nous c) is a clear sign of someone stuck in the past.
spot on villain 1
Villain1, are you telling me we shouldn’t rely on someone with 27 goals in over 21000 minutes of football? Why, who would have thought that?
Looks like bruce baby has been dusting off his copy of ‘The Winning Formula’.
well i don’t want to blow my own trumpet 🙂 but i recall posting that we would be looking for a low price for mccormack 4~6 mill i reckoned that we would end up accepting.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/07/aston-villa-reportedly-slash-ross-mccormacks-asking-price-in-hal/
we are practically giving him away, if sunderland don’t take up this chance, they are not have after a bargain, they are committing daylight robbery.
The concerns pre season were over us creating chances – we created any number of chances in the game that our forwards / midfielders (including Green) failed to convert.
Hull scored an outstanding goal – always likely to happen.
But, of course, it’s all Bruce’s fault we didn’t win because he had the temerity to start with Bacuna.
I have no particular brief for Bruce but to call for his head now is just senseless.
Cardif is a real test of whether we can turn around our away form. I reserve my judgement.
As has been said on multiple occasions, Steve Bruce is a footballing and tactical dinosaur. The game has moved on rapidly and he sadly has been left behind.
The ultra cautious approach is not one a team of our standing and calibre should be adopting and it is insulting to the young forwards like Keinan Davis that the manager seems to think a washed up old centre back who couldn’t find a club for nearly a year is a good option to stick up front when chasing a win on the opening day of the season. That substitution on its own paints the perfect picture of why Bruce is going to fall flat on his face. He’ll be lucky to make Christmas at this rate imo
Maybe Davis isn’t outscoring the other forwards in training. If every chance that was easier than the one Hull took, had been taken by the Villa forwards and midfield we would have won by a landslide. Perhaps it is time to do the practice games on the VP pitch not BMH, get the players used to finding the net that matters.
I don’t want old NBA players, but their is an old Jamaican who is just out of work, can still run a bit and reckons he can play the game, who probably wouldn’t cost the same wages as Gabby.
Anyone can look good in training though. I remember when I played we had a few flash Harry’s who had tons of skill could take most of us on round the keeper and backheel it into the net. Yet they were nowhere to be seen on a Sunday morning when it got competitive and the pressure was on and they were closed down. Which is why they were mainly squad players
I take it from that OOHAH you were a bit of a clogger back in the day??
BWS, I’ll bet he invented clogging 🙂
Just think “cynical”.
You speak for yourself Badger I was like a Merson type player in my youth and Giddy like in Kate 20s when I converted to right back 😄
Lol Either the ball or the player’s going past never both.
What an advocate of the beautiful game!
lol actually I wasn’t oddly enough. I was the one that used to get clogged 😓
Ah but if he got us promoted which I’m sure he would we should be able to have that spend with future tv revenue
What always pissed and in the bookies?? And who’s Kate??
Pa just a though Rafa Benitez anyone? Would love him at Villa if he leaves Newcastle. Give him £50-75m to spend and he would take us to top 8 in prem guaranteed.
We haven’t got £50 let alone £50million Oohah 🙂
teams have to play their full strength teams in the micky mouse cup. or else the league will dish out the punishments, I wonder if they continue with this stance when the big boys enter in two more rounds time. or will they get special treatment, cups are about giving your squad games in early rounds, or blooding some youngsters. we might win this game if the leagues picking the team and tactics
I totally disagree Nath.
Play the game to win, every time.
Or risk bringing it into disrepute.
it’s not about blooding kids or experimenting at all and it’s this thinking that has ruined our domestic cups.
Fair play to the league, but point very much taken when it comes to the bigger clubs.
Again it really makes me wonder who’s actually running the game.
While I agree we should try to win these games, playing a few kids against lower league teams is something we should be able to do and still win.
Bang on Badger the games about winning silverware not merely making up the numbers in the EPL (or any other league) as todays fans appear to have been mind f**ked to believe.
jake doyle hayes and davis both are good prospects. hayes has a real eye for forward passing in them friendlies. would have liked him to get a run out in a real game. early cup games against lesser opponents are ideal for this sort of blooding. I wasn’t insisting we through the under 10’s all in like arsenal have done for years
hope these lads get on for the whole second half
I missed ohare out at least he gets in the first 11. they would learn more in these cup games than in the academy games
He’s playing well. Actually tries to play football so Bruce wk t play him again
Still reserving judgement on Bruce and our start to the season, only during the international break or even the first game in september will I have an opinion on our start to the season. No point calling it after one game.
Great to see the kids out tonight
villa accepted bid for amavi
Also rumoured Bacuna on his way out – lot of fans will be sad 🙂
On tonight’s game so far – extremes – Samba looks woeful and Callum O’Hare and Onomah look pretty good.
bacuna will be a decent sale 🙂 ohare is doing fine but you can clearly see in a competitive match he is coping very well
Agree Samba is a typical error prone Villa defender he will be a huge liability if we have to play him in a proper game. Always going to cost us a goal. That o’hare looks class Onomah I’m not sure about. Green has the first touch of an elephant
Agree. Samba is atrocious. Green doesn’t impress me at all. Colchester look the better team. We look garbage TBH
Agree we’ve still got better quality players than them all over the park yet still can’t cope. There seems to be a culture of going a goal up and then just taking foot of accelerator. I’d say we are more vulnerable as a team leading by a goal than losing by a goal. Team just can’t keep up tempo for more than 25 mins even though they were winning 2.0 against a rubbish team
Another example of playing well for half a half – it seems we lack the ability to concentrate for 45 minutes let alone 90.
Thought Green was the darling of the fans?
I’m sure you mean Bacuna! 🙂
do we know if amavi is a permanent deal or loan first as agreed before, how much is 10mill euros in pounds
According to reports Villa have accepted a €10m offer from Marseille for Amavi – not a loan with automatic buy but straight forward sale. If true, it would be a very good bit of business.
whats that hitch in squids about how much we buy him I seem to have 8 mill ish in my head
Nath I got the conversion wrong last time but I reckon it’s about £9m
thats a good figure 🙂 upyours Seville lol cheers hitch
that spuds player seems a decent player on first first
Wasn’t tgat impressed. O’hare motm for us imo
can not find anything about the bacuna deal. they mentioned on sky sports, I bet it reading with a improved offer. or they called um up after his Saturday showing and said we changed our minds you can have him for free
Bruce confirmed interest in Bacuna in post match interview and that Amavi deal is done