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  1. andrew111
    andrew111 October 30, 2013 at 8:02 am . Reply

    “Regardless of how we feel about things, especially behind the scenes we need to stay behind the lads when they’re on the field playing, they need that 11th man.”

    this bit made me laugh, i do agree with most of what you say here, but i cant agree to stand behind the players when they need to be made aware of our feelings.

    The everton game was great, the holte was singing loud for all to hear and then they scored, after the second goal the fans still sang, until everyone in the ground relised the players had given up, now be it down to lambert or not, the players just sat back, youd think we were winning 2-0, 80th minute they passed us off the park, won a corner and WE put 11 men in OUR box, WHY? how can we then counter or even get out our own half when the minute we clear it its straight back in. It became a farse towards the end of that game, and a strong villa team that looked good became weak and frail, thus leaving the fans frustrated, wondering where the hell had all the fight gone?
    in my eyes 2-0 or 10-0 its still a loss, and unless lambert thinks we can stay up on goal difference its just not good enough, you give it your all 100% all game and not 90% of it, and then us as fans have no right to moan, otherwise bellow away as they dont deserve the support if they havnt earnt it

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 30, 2013 at 8:28 pm . Reply

      Well said Andrew111 unlike the other Andrew you can actually see what’s really going on. It’s very simple the players and manager are not good enough. We have Benteke and Guzan who are quality the rest are what they are a rag tag bunch of players who try hard but the quality is simply not there. On top of that they have a clueless manager who’s about as tactically astute as a water melon!

  2. Bill happy chappy Pearson.
    Bill happy chappy Pearson. October 30, 2013 at 8:39 am . Reply

    Andrew they call that complacency, ive said in other posts our players cannot see things going right, forwards seeing defenders making mistakes, defenders seeing strikers making mistakes, you and me see problems on the pitch and we are not happy, four years now same thing going nowhere, I thank the holte enders for still backing the team, I’ve lost patience now , and have the right to walk away after spending £1000’s at the club, I really now think that Lambert lost his way with the players and being able to make us great again.

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 30, 2013 at 8:30 pm . Reply

      Well said bill people like you and me have 1000s as wev supported villa n early 70s. Enough enough I have had enough. If that makes un loyal then I don’t give a flying fuck

  3. Terry Jones
    Terry Jones October 30, 2013 at 9:15 am . Reply

    Mark very good post mate yes we are still behind the team but change needs to come and sooner rather than later.As Bill as rightly said four years now and little or no improvement are we four years into the Lerner five year plan it;s not working.People will walk away in these times of austerity nobody is going to keep spending money to watch a team fail time and time again it;s like flogging a bloody dead horse.We need to see improvement and if that means change of management and coaching staff then so be it.

    1. Saddened
      Saddened October 30, 2013 at 10:40 am . Reply

      Mark great post – I think we have an owner and CEO with little football experience, which has been shown with Management appointments and O’Neil being allowed to spend what he likes on who he likes….. Been saying for ages we need an experienced Director of Football to do something and connect the board with the playing side of the CLub

    2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 30, 2013 at 8:31 pm . Reply

      If we got a new manger then I suppose we would have yet another 5 year plan ffs. Lerner and lamberk out

  4. Jay Dee
    Jay Dee October 30, 2013 at 12:07 pm . Reply

    I know yeh Man City came thinking that to.I don’t think teams come to Villa Park and think that at all.I think we have flaws in certain areas and that is sometimes exploited.We are only 9 games in there’s still 29 games to go.This is all to judgemental for me.I think with Benteke back we will certainly start scoring again.I still think we will finish mid table and that will be an improvement on last season.We are nowhere near European football or trophy winning yet…..Jump off the players and managers back all this moaning is a waste of time…..UTV

  5. villa1996
    villa1996 October 30, 2013 at 1:16 pm . Reply

    Why not go 3 1 4 2 at home change it up a bit back 3 of Baker Clarke vlarr midfield of styiia delpth Westwood tonv gabby then benteke weineman up front and start bashing teams the midfield would be full up which is villa problem not enough in there to stop teams attacking if you got all of them in there can you’ve always got someone to break up play any thoughts

  6. Ian
    Ian October 30, 2013 at 1:41 pm . Reply

    I really don’t think people understand what PL has had to do, he’s had to rebuild a squad not a team. He’s spent £50m over the last 2 seasons to bring in around 14 players, yes he’s gambled, every signing is a gamble to a certain degree. I think now he has a squad he can start to add more quality which we all know is what is needed.

    If stay positive, stay behind the cause then we will be ok this season and may even shock a few.

  7. Naughtius Maximus
    Naughtius Maximus October 30, 2013 at 2:50 pm . Reply

    my biggest concern Saturday was how heads went down after the goal, admittedly mine did too, we’d been the better side imo and if anyone was going to go on and win it you’d have fancied villa to do it, I travelled down to the game from up north with 2 evetonians, match talk on the way home said they would have been happy with a point up until their goal.
    I was so disapointing but the 2nd goal should never have happened, it was very poor, way, way to easy and yes it did look like the players had give up, couldn’t wait to get off the pitch.
    35 thou again at villa, fans will only put up with it for so long, Saturday was unfortunate, we didn’t play badly at all.
    the next six games for me are very winnable, id be looking to take 9/10 pts from these, anything significantly less will be extremely concerning.

  8. Colonius81
    Colonius81 October 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm . Reply

    Its hard to know what is the psychological predisposition of one person let alone a team.
    I suppose we can’t rule out the scenario that you describe MD8 .. but we also can’t rule out that is more of a fan projection more than anything else.

    We don’t have the managers/ coaches instructions, conversations rebukes and day to day training and performances at those training sessions with the rest of the squad to affect our mindset before a game. We only have the previous game .. a 90 minute condensed window to view the players and try and interpret their psychological disposition before a game.

    Where as i understand where you are coming from considering you play rec footy (as do i) I feel you are projecting again. I have entered a team in 7 aside leagues for the last 5/6 years now all year round. I have witnessed ruts, bad form, drubbings and impressive wins.
    some players come back from a bad defeat as if nothing ever happened. some get sucked into it and need a pick me up or good result or a goal or two to shake it from their heads.
    I feel like perhaps you are using your own personal experience to colour your perception of the villa players mindsets.
    thats ok too, ultimately we can’t rule it out! there are probably players on that squad that could be very similar to how your own mind works.
    And no one can ignore that if a team goes on a losing streak the team mentality is affected. confidence does wane. but where is i am disappointed with the result against Everton and the result and performance against spurs .. we haven’t lost all our games this season and all the players need to do is look at the table and the teams they have played and there is enough there to allow belief to flourish.

    As for other teams coming with the mindset that they can win at villa park.
    well I don’t doubt that anyone coming to villa park feels like they have more than a chance but form is important. – one win and the next team that comes there will look at that and factor it in to their approach.
    either way .. Teams that come expecting an easier win is not necessarily a bad thing for Villa.
    its also something we can’t really control.

    1. markdrapernumber8
      markdrapernumber8 October 30, 2013 at 6:31 pm . Reply

      Fair play Colonius, it does look like I’m projecting a little bit and personal experience definitely played a part in my writing. I think to be a bit more precise I was getting at a ‘group’ decline rather than an individual, the team, the manager, the backroom staff and the fans. e.g I was desperately dissapointed when Everton scored after the chances we had missed and you could feel the atmosphere instantly sucked out of the ground (from watching on TV) so being there must have felt even worse. All of these factors play a small part in the whole outcome. If one individual is declining in confidence a lot of the time this will rub off on the other lads, even worse so when considering the age of the group. Vlaar and Guzan? Maybe these are the only two can keep a more mature mindset and not let it affect them but as for the others none of them are experienced enough to cope week in week out (I’m presuming again I know lol).

      Which leads onto the Barry point, I could write a book on how we could have benfited from Barry on Loan, but I’ll leave it there.

      However, you are right, I can only paint this picture from 90 minute segments each saturday and I can’t possibly know how they feel as a group or individually, It’s just an observation. UTV

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