Man Utd 2-2 Villa; Disappointed, but also highly encouraged

Cutting a long story short, I’ve just bought a new 65″ telly and it’s festooned with connections which don’t suit the (older) rest of my setup, meaning I couldn’t watch the match and comment here on the site at the same time.
I’ll sort it when I get time, but it’s why I was quiet.

So for once, I actually called the score right and while I’d have taken it before the game, I’m now somewhat disappointed that we didn’t actually win it.
Trezeguet’s goal was called offside because he was actually offside a couple of seconds before he scored.
I actually think there might be an argument that the original play was over when it came back out, but maybe it was the right call. I certainly wasn’t doing my nut about it and saw it as more of the usual against Man Utd, where little goes our way.

And then one of their shots hits the post and goes in off Heaton’s back.
Same old, same old, I’m thinking.

Yet this time, I saw something different too.
Man U weren’t getting the calls.
Actually, with my neutral head on I’d say we actually got more of the rub of the green. Against Man U, just to re-emphasize.
It’s intrigued me, this part, but I think it’s because for very long periods we actually looked the better side and it was Man U who were making the mistakes under pressure and not winning the second balls and challenges.

For clarity, I’m actually criticising Man U of something I’ve been complaining about, about our side for most of this season.
That’s been unheard of for donkey’s years when it comes to Aston Villa vs Man Utd and I’m really hopeful that this is a turning point.
Indeed, I suspect it will be.
We’ve taken on the mighty Man U on their own turf in front of 73,000 and in my opinion, more than matched them.
I know Utd aren’t the same team they were a few years back, but they’re still a big psycological hurdle to overcome.

The point is, if you can go to Old Trafford and put up a fight, who else is there to be frightened of?
We’ve faced Citeh, Arse and Spurs away. Yes, Liverpool at Anfield might be a worry, but we gave them a very decent game at home. And we’ve yet to play Leicester, who are on a roll.

Ah yes, Chelsea, who we happen to have next up.
A match where Deano has the upper hand on Lampard.
I’m certainly not overly worried about facing them at Stamford Bridge and believe we’ll at least give them a game.

And it’s this part that is different.
Contrast this with our last season in the premier league.
Whereas you knew we’d practically lost before we stepped on the pitch, now I think we have a chance against anyone.

So yes, my being disappointed today is a really good sign.
And I think we’re getting more nous about us.

We’ll be fine come the end of the season, no worries, although we’re still on a learning curve.


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    Sidforever December 2, 2019 at 7:34 pm .

    The media always seems dismissive of Villa. Alan Brazil was saying Grealish was a Spurs type of player. Sorry Alan he’s a Villa type of player.

    I agree with the comments 2-3 players off a very good side. Stay in the Premiership this year and bring in 2-3 quality players next year.

    Here’s my prediction with a high chance of egg on my face. I think Jack Grealish will be like Mat LeTissier. Be with Villa his whole career.
    His family has a former Villa captain in the family.
    He’s supported Villa all his life
    He guaranteed when fit to start every match
    He’s captain
    He’s adored by us fans
    He will play for England
    He’s wanted by our wealthy owners

    And when they add the additional quality to the team next year, Villa will start to become a threat again to the top 6.

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    Holte66 December 2, 2019 at 8:07 pm .

    The media are basically agents for the top six. It’s not just Grealish or McGinn at Villa. Look at Wolves and Leicester with their managers linked with Arsenal and their top players linked with the usual suspects. Maybe it’s a midlands thing and no matter how well we do there’s always the lure of London and Manchester or Liverpool!! Fortunately all our club’s are no longer selling clubs and can stick two fingers to anyone who is sniffing. The only problem is whether the player / manager is tempted by fast tracking to silverware and huge wages. We need to build our team round Grealish and McGinn but I do fear that all our best laid plans will be scuppered against manager and owners will.

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    badger123 December 2, 2019 at 8:23 pm .

    I think the only way Grealish would leave is under a very specific set of circumstances;

    1) Villa show no sign of progression or ambition or even worse are relegated.
    2 The club are desperate for the money.
    3) It’s just a stupid offer money-wise, that it would make no sense to turn down on Jack’s part and the club just cannot match.

    Points 1 and 2 are not an issue at the moment, imo.

    Point 3 is the tricky one.
    I believe that while Villa would go to stupid lengths (for our level) to keep him, there’s no way they would pay him £250k a week or whatever, because of the pay structure.

    Hence it’s more about what the club is willing to pay him and how much we keep progressing.

    Jack certainly won’t want to leave, ever, imo.

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      Hitchens60 December 3, 2019 at 1:41 am .

      How do you replace a Jack Grealish?

      It’s not just his undoubted football ability but his special (and irreplaceable) relationship with the club and the fans,

      OK, so someone offers £100m – so what – who do you buy replace what JG means to Villa. He’s actually priceless and I believe that :-

      1. Our owners fully understand that and
      2. Are committed to building a team to challenge the best in Europe with Grealish (and McGinn) at its core.

      We’ve been here before – on the brink of creating a sustainable club capable of challenging the best teams in Europe. The difference now is we have owners that not only believe in this vision but have the financial clout to make it happen,

      UTV 🙂

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    Bum Bum December 2, 2019 at 10:20 pm .

    Nice, positive review Badger. Wholly in agreement.

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    Bum Bum December 3, 2019 at 10:28 am .

    Guys, don’t forget the Chelsea game is one of the freebies on Amazon Prime tomorrow if you have an account. There’s also another game of ours on later in the month.
    I think you can sign up for a month’s free trial, and either way it’s only £7.99 a month, and you’d get all the films for Christmas time!!!

    And no, I don’t work for Amazon, the tax dodging scumbags! 😁

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      Big Fat Ron December 4, 2019 at 6:19 pm .

      I was just about to sign up and then read this useful reminder:

      So I changed my mind. I’ll be watching it on Ceefax instead, if you know what I mean!

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    Bill Pearson December 3, 2019 at 5:07 pm .

    I used to do that bum bum, but now I’ve a box, I have not missed a Villa game home or away,

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      Bum Bum December 3, 2019 at 9:45 pm .


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