Well today’s statement from Lerner is for me a clear signal he is off. It is a deeply personal statement with no PR BS. Added to this are the clear facts of the debt to equity swap which was first revealed exclusively on here and I said at the time he was selling.
So I have been seeing with some amusement the fantasy about Larry Ellison, the 5th richest person a possible and frankly thought it was BS. Well it is known he likes his sports and been involved in a wide range of sports from Tennis to boating. It has been rumoured that he has tried to buy NBA and NFL teams as well.
Now through the wonders of Google I see no link with football (or Soccer) at for Ellison but I found one piece from 2005.
I believe Randy would only sell to someone he knows and trust and I can not find any direct ones, then I remembered something and THIS PIECE shows it.
Now you will have to bear with me on this, this piece is about someone trying to set up a NFL team in LA, a Carmen Policy, so what ?
Well he used to work for Al Lerner at the Browns when they were set up and Randy would know him, you ask so what ?
Well Policy knows Larry Ellison (who like Lerner is Jewish) and he also knows Casey Wasserman (also Jewish). you may now be thinking, Wasserman, I recognise that name. Yes because Wasserman Group as revealed on the forerunner blog was employed by Lerner to sort out the playing side and agents at Villa.
Policy is a key person in Randy’s Dad life and thus Randy’s life, he is a facilitator of sports team buying and organisation. Who knows if rumours of Ellison are true but this is clear that it is possible.
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http://bellsareringing.forumotion.com/t321-special-announcement-new-owner
They are joint owners of Texas rangers
Just been on there using link I can’t find the names just a load of admin teasing everyone
It names them on page 2 of the link this blokes post have all been spot on if he is making it all up he must be pretty lucky so far
Well if true I’m underwhelmed tbh. Can’t see these guys gettjng us chsllanging for top 6. They are all about frugality the same as Lerner
Thought the same myself mate
News gets worse and worse
Its no good knocking people until 1. They actually take the club over and 2. They let everyone know there plans.
Just think of the positives.
No more Lerner or Lamberk!
Lets just wait and see.
Well they found like Lerner clones and their plans will never equal fans expectations. 4 billon is a lot if money but peanuts in the prem league. Remember that’s dollars not pounds. Gutted
ah ‘mon oohaahh they havn’t even taken over and they are already as bad as lerner!
Lads lets just all wait and see shall we
Fulham have a new owner, and he is worth more than Lerner and probably spent more than us this season ( havn’t checked) yet .. there they stand.
they even signed Bent on loan! a player Lambert was slated for not playing.
we need a little perspective, lets just wait and see before the condemnations
Onviously Ellison rumours are bollox
and the rumour on a site no one had heard of a few days ago is correct ??
In fact the Texas Rangers one had been around for a couple of weeks so lets not be fooled by them eh ?
Wait and see eh ?
I have to say for one any owner that renames Villa Park will never see me down the place again, no money is worth that.
Hope it’s that Ellison bloke
This may just be clutching at straws because we are playing over there pre season.
Could be. I hope it’s not true but knowing our luck it probably is
Bloody hell Ooaah, you can hardly start slating the blokes before they’ve even got here.
While I agree in the scheme of things $4bn isn’t that much when you compare to some, it’s still a massive amount of dough and at least four times that of Lerner.
Reading that site, the one thing I do find encouraging is the fact that Simpson surrounds himself with good people. Hopefully that’ll mean Faulkner straight out the door and someone who actually knows something about footy coming in to run the show.
Nothing against Americans, but I’m not keen on the way they do business.
Which is all the Villa will be to them and I wonder about their motives.
The biggest bad point about them is one of them donated to the George W Bush museum or whatever. Enough said.
The fact is under Lerner we’ve stagnated or indeed gone backwards.
Things could be better, they could be worse under new owners.
But at least they won’t be what they are now.
Don’t forget many of us asked for Lerner out, so we can hardly complain.
Of course, this is all assuming that the story is true.
When the news of lerner taking over broke I said to anyone that will listen it will end in tears.Of course the new owners start with a clean slate and no doubt a 5 year honeymoon period. Yes they will arguably do better than lerner but anyone that donates to Bush is way down in my estimation. The bottom line is american owners look at the bottom line more than anyone, they are buddies with lerner and even though they have more money its still no where near enough. Im in local speaking to a load of villa mates I know and even though they think its an improvement on lerner its still not going to be enough.
The fact you’re claiming 4 billion isn’t enough is rather pathetic. 4 billion is a lot of money, and no we obviously wouldn’t be doing a City but get over it. It’s a lot more money than Lerner has, and getting people in who would rather understand what the supporters really want, than having an owner who wants us as a play-thing, who wouldn’t care about us if financial trouble ensues again is far better. We don’t need an owner willing to spend 250m on transfers as soon as he gets here, but there are still talks of a possible rich Russian owner going around so who knows what’s going to happen. But a 4 billion dollar worth 2 owners, who are known for getting good men into their back team who know what they’re doing is what Villa need to stabilize.
Just seen this off a Villa fan in Dallas who follows the Rangers and Villa. He has this to say about the owners;
“They are quiet people so we shouldn’t expect many interviews off them, they will want to field a competitive team. The Rangers general manager has reportedly said whenever he has asked for funds he has never been turned down, this doesn’t mean we will spend ridiculous amounts but we can expect investment if the takeover commences.”
A competitive team to them is a mid table team. Sounds like Lerner Mark 2. I’m sorry but totally underwhelmed. Yes we will finish higher and have a better team than now but to be fair they won’t need to spend much to achieve that. Problem is too many fans happy with mediocraty. Well I’m not I’m sick of us being a mediocre club with a small club mentality.
It’s almost sad how you’re making up these “facts” that fans are happy. Don’t be disillusioned by a few positive comments as happy with how the club’s doing. I doubt Lerner’s happy (despite these made up “facts” that he’s just happy with staying up), Faulkner’s probably happy he has a new job, Lambert’s possibly happy he still has a job but dislikes where Villa is. Fans aren’t happy, just because you read a few posts from 5-10 fans, out of the MILLIONS that Villa actually has, should never base it off that. A few thousand cheering the players doesn’t mean they’re happy, but are supporting them because basically that’s all fans can actually do.
Yawn. Didn’t we all say Lerner knew what he was doing initially. As long as you are happy with being nothing more than a top 8-12 team with a good cup run thrown in every now and then then fair enough. For me that’s not good enough either we are going to mix it with the top 4 or we are not. If we are not then I don’t see the point we may as well stick as we are. Remember it’s £3b in English money. Peanuts
3 billion in English money is peanuts? Especially when one of them sold their recent oil business for over 40 billion? Who knows how much he’s actually worth.
A man worth 3 billion can definitely take us to fighting for top 4 if a man worth 1m nearly did it. With United in shambles, needing a hue overhaul of a squad, big players rejecting them, I can see big managers rejecting them too, they’re still going to be in the shit. Wenger and Arsenal aren’t out of the question of being caught with a smart investment and a good manager. Everton are also matchable with said investment. One thing though is we don’t want a Spurs situation. A manager that wants these 5-6 players, and a director of football who goes out and signs 5-6 players the manager has no interest in and it all goes to shit, like Tottenham have. Wise investment like at Liverpool, with a brilliant manager like Rodgers, and we can become that top 4 fighting team, despite only being worth 3 billion pounds, if that’s even true with one being an oil tycoon.
Utd have a £150 m to spend in the summer and already have class in their team. It’s different now as well as we have everton spurs and city to beat on top of usual top 4. Very difficult unless tens of hundreds of millions are spent plus a top managerial structure
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Forbes states they are only worth that. 4 billion is not peanuts to u and me but it is in football terms.
United have class in their team? Look at their team.
Good goal keeper.
Rafael’s a decent RB, no back up. Has played Smalling and Jones who both are terrible RB’s.
Best CB in Vidic is leaving for Inter. Evans and Jones are good CB’s, Smalling’s incredibly questionable. Buttner’s a mediocre LB, Evra’s a terrible LB. Carrick’s had a poor season. Cleverly’s garbage, Giggs should retire permanently, Fletcher can’t handle 90 minutes. Valencia’s a one trick pony that’s been found out. Nani’s had his worst season yet. Young’s hated by 95% of United fans. That leaves Kagawa who is wanted by other clubs, Mata, Rooney and RVP (the latter of which hasn’t shown up this season at all), Hernandez who’s most likely leaving and Welbeck.. They need more than 150m for the drastic overhaul and to get a new RB, CB, LB, at least 2-3 CM/DM’s, 3 wingers and possibly 1 more striker. They were rejected left and right last summer, do you really think even with the money they’ll attract anyone now? Especially with no CL? They’re fucked for the next couple seasons. It won’t take tens of hundred’s of millions to reach the CL.
You forgot januzai who’s good. Bear in mind it’s virtually the same team that win the league at a cantor last year. The main difference is saf had Rvp fit and getting them out the shit. Utd will spend huge they can’t afford to be out the CL
Forbes does state that, by he’s an oil tycoon, merging his business for 30-40 billion. Something tells me he has more than that.
Well I hope so he’s going to need it to turn us around that’s for sure
Not really, it’ll just take more than a season and 500 million pounds on transfers to do it. 3 billion pound owner? Can easily turn us around, that’s 3 times what Lerner’s worth and the fact he offers up at least 20m every season, 60m a season could be offered. 😉
Rather than simply looking at net worth, you have to take into consideration the model and strategy of potential new owners.
Positive is they seem like self made billionaires rather than Lerner who inherited his dad’s fortune, so they should have more business sense.
The most important factor will be the appointment of a strong CEO and manager, and this will indeed give us an indication as to the new owners ambitions. If they go down the route of bringing someone like Cortese in and appoint a non-British manager that plays good football and can make astute signings, then the net worth will not be such a big issue.
I’m just so glad the Lamberk-Lerner-Faulkner trio of doom are almost gone.
moyes to be sacked I wonder if fergie will recommend mclown like he did for lerner!!
Probably not. He’ll most likely tell United to go for Simeone, Klopp, Blanc, Guardiola… Because well, that’s how he rolls. He wants his incredibly talent-less friends to have big jobs still though so he recommends them to lesser clubs that are still too big for them.
A lot of Villa pages on facebook are asking the question of “would you take Moyes at Villa now?”… So would you? I personally wouldn’t, taken over or not, but would you?
Oh how we all laughed when Wigan’s chairman said that Roberto Martinez was too good for Villa!
The Everton fans I know are now saying that Moyes was actually pretty crap – wouldn’t play youngsters, wouldn’t take any chances, etc.
It now looks as if there’ll be a lot of managers leaving their present clubs in a few weeks – Moyes, Pellegrini, Pardew, probably Lambert, maybe even “The Special One” – so the close season may be more interesting than usual.
No Moyes was not crap and he played plenty of youngsters but short memories prevail …
As for those going, do not see it at NUFC as Pardew is the cover for Ashley
as for the rest, depends which ‘top class’ managers become available, actually the reality is that there are few of them.
Where would we fall, well in the middle group, either looking for an up and coming manager or an established old hand who has not made it to a ‘big club’.
I have no clue who, texans with no knowledge of football would pick or they would pick to advise them as well, which may be the crucial aspect of it.
He did play youngsters wayne Rooney springs to mind. I wonder what happened to him!!
Wouldn’t mind mourinho lol
Barkley, Coleman and plenty of others. Some fans I am afraid look at say Southampton and think, yes thats the model. Well that manager had come from a club who sacked him for being nearly relegated would we want Mel Pepe on that basis ?
We may take a risk and I am sure Klinnsman name will be mentioned a plenty but it all depends on who the owners pick to advise them.
I just think we need a foreign manager Ian. Scottish managers don’t work out at villa.
But he didn’t play Barkley, he actually played Neville as a DM when their fans were screaming for Barkley to be played and should’ve been played. He doesn’t have this history of giving youth a chance and that’s the problem with Moyes. He gave one or two a few games here or there but that doesn’t mean he regularly was willing to give them that chance. He at least bought them so he does have the eye for talent. Moyes had a lot of shortcomings that Everton fans knew about well before he left, but of course they were backing him as they were regularly “close but coming up short” for 4th, as we were under O’Neill, then O’Neill left and fans started claiming he wasn’t near as good as most gave him credit for as other clubs fans loved him at us, but Villa fans were getting fed up. It’s easy to see what he “did” as a fan of a different club, much like “bigger” clubs fans and O’Neill.
Klinsmann recently signed a new deal with the US so his name going around means nothing. And hell, they could actually have “knowledge” of the game,
we cant win at home so you want mourino who has never won there you couldnt make it up lol
What do u mean just coz he’s not won at vp means nothing. He has the best home record in the planet that’s a fact
We should get Mourinho. He’s just as terrible in interviews, he calls ref’s biased against Chelsea, and his tactics are incredibly defensive. Hell, he might bring Cahill back too!
But he would attract bigger name players and put the club on the map. He’s a media darling
Couldn’t careless who he can attract, his interviews are a disgrace, his touchline actions often piss fans off, wouldn’t want him representing Villa in anyways, shape or form.
You’d rather have lambert then!!
If that’s what you’ve taken from that statement… Then… I’m lost for words other than this post.
I get what your saying about Mourunho he is getting more embarrassing by the week. But he is a huge name still and even if we had him for one season it would give the club credibility.
Media’s turning though. They love talking to him because he’ll say anything as he’s an attention hog, but behind he’s called a disgrace by pundits and such.
I don’t know if he’d give us credibility, as media and fans of other clubs would claim he’s desperate for a job, no big club would want him. Players might give us a better chance if he was here, but not sure if that’s true.
How can u say no big club would want him, Real Madrid, inter etc. Utd would probably take him they deserve each other. It’s irrelevant anyway he wouldn’t come to us unless we offered him twice what Chelsea have and he would want ridiculous money to spend. He also prefers london. Who would you like then assuming we could have anyone
I didn’t say he can’t get a big club, but his credibility would go down the drain joining us, is what I said. Claims from other fans and media he couldn’t get a big job if he came to us. Realistically when he leaves Chelsea he’ll go back to Inter. Wanted the move before leaving Madrid and said that was his only home and he loved it there more than anywhere else.
Anyone? Simeone or Guardiola. I’ve named a bunch we should look at before realistically, and with more money any of them would be great.
Going realistic, how about Ronald Koeman? He wanted to come when we sacked O’Neill and before we got Houllier. Still wants the big move to England, No problem giving youth a chance it seems, plays some decent football.
Hard to say about mourinho as if he was successful with us ie won us the league and CL then technically we would be seen as a big club anyway. If he failed then fair enough. Not sure who I’d like except I hope we get a decent foreign manager and not a Scottish one
I was one that was particularly annoyed by whelans comments! laugh i did!
Well Martinez has certainly shown us and fair play to him.
I really doubted his credentials, i just looked at all the games he lost and the last gasp wonder runs at the last minute that was always going to run out of luck one season.
He gets a very decent squad and makes some fantastically shrewd loan signings and boom he is a point within champions league with 4 games to go playing great football, developing players winning neutral admirers from all corners.
an Fa cup with Wigan, all be it while getting relegated, (with the resources and constant rebuild every season) while playing some quality football should have convinced me!
His is too good for villa right now. He would be daft to come here.
But football is a topsy turvey world, maybe we might get new owners with more financial clout but more importantly with better footballing advice or appointments behind the scenes. Maybe if Lambert proves unsuccessful ultimately with serious money behind him for a change?
maybe if Evertons financial weaknesses result in player turnover and there are no more shrewd loan signings to make the villa project might tempt Martinez then.
lol we can all dream! but let me be the first to write a Fuck you Dave whelen comment on here if we do!
Good post Colonius. I think Martinez has proved a lot of people wrong me included. But can he get that 4th spot by his own admission they bottled it at home to palace. To be fair the structure of the team was already there under moyes but he just added a few shrewd signings and took them up a notch. Also different singer different song he is quite charismatic whereas moyes isn’t. I can’t imagine him coming to us even if we had money to spend he will need to stay at least one more season at Everton to prove its not a fluke. I also think he will be waiting to join arsenal if wenger quits.
Martinez wasn’t too good for us, nor is he now. Dave Whelan would’ve done anything to keep him, until they went down, because he knew it was bound to happen and Martinez was gonna leave when it happened. I didn’t believe in his credentials either, but it looks like he’ll get a lot of money this coming summer, outside of loans. So he won’t come.
I actually don’t think pep guardiola could succeed at villa the way things have been. Sure we would of played better football but I don’t think we’d be any better than where saints are. No manager could make us a top team under Lerner that’s a fact. If we got someone like Ellison and pep guardiola with big money to spend then yes we coils easily be a top 4-6 side then kick on from there.
True, but Guardiola would be my dream coach, obviously under better circumstances. I’d say someone like Simeone would work perfectly with the team we have now, obviously we wouldn’t win the trophy, or fight for the title like Atletico, but he likes the big, strong striker, have some decent wing play, and so on.
Yeah, Martinez will have bigger clubs after him, if not in England with say, Arsenal, possibly United, then in Spain, Germany or Italy.
Iv seen that about moyes. My answer to that is a few years ago yes but not now. No more Scottish managers. I want to see a good foreign Mananger like a pochetino come in.
Isn’t that the simple, obvious reason why Ferguson ‘recommended’ Big Eck and Moyes?
There can’t be many more Scottish managers left nowadays who’ve ever won anything other that their mickey-mouse competitions…!
True. Wish we had Brendan Rogers. Liverpool will build a dynasty under him I can see it coming. It will last 20 years or so then utd take over. Historically that’s what seems to happen
And Liverpool aren’t doing it like City or Chelsea. Okay they have I believe a 90m net spend since taken over including under Kenny’s management, but they aren’t spending huge money. They got in people who knew about the sport, they’ve successfully run a huge MLB team in the US for ages, and they’ve changed the system. That’s solely what Villa need, a Liverpool style take-over, and the two Texas Ranger’s owners, who brought them back from Bankruptcy and took them to the World Series twice, can have that kind of impact.
Trust me this is all bullshit, I was there
what is bullshit?
On a brighter note the SCUM are 4 down at halftime. 😮
Its a combined wealth of £7b +. Simpsons an oil baron. But then who cares what their wealth is. Don’t mean they can/will spend it. I can’t be any more uninterested in the hearsay atm. Oh and Tom Hicks (ex Liverpool) is the director of Texas Rangers
Tom Hicks used to own Texas Rangers until I think he filed for bankruptcy, don’t believe he is still a director there?
Its what I just read but probably wrong.
I saw that about hicks. Would that be allowed. Good news then we can be Liverpool’s feeder club
That same ITK site have now said Lerner has had a bigger and better offer from somebody who has already been mentioned (Ellison) – dear me, they’ll be reporting Ellis has made an offer next too!!!
I’m just really puzzled why any of these people would want to be involved with English football – let alone the Villa.
A couple of Arab princes with so much [easy] money pouring out of the ground that they just can’t spend it fast enough or don’t know what to do with it, OK – another toy for a few years. Russian or Asian ‘billionaires’ with a need to launder their pillaged billions, well maybe.
But hard-nosed business-types who actually ‘invest’ in businesses usually do so with the expectation of some financial return: if they tried to match either Man City or Chelsea’s spending [& ignore ‘fair play’ rules] now and it took [say] half a billion dollars over five or more years, well the Sky money and even winning the CL would hardly provide a return on that investment…
Possibly they actually like the sport, the club? I mean just because Wikipedia doesn’t claim they do, doesn’t mean they don’t. Possibly because Villa do have a big following in the US that they’re hoping for the Villa fans to jump on the MLB team fanbase and give them a chance? Exposure for whatever other companies they own? Huge sponsorships? It is an interesting question as to why they’d wanna invest, a few good reasons but who knows?
But it would put a huge value on the club and we would get huge sponsorship deals and more of the global market. Also their normal business gets huge publicity.
That’s more like it nearly 60 billion Messi and Ronaldo to vp lol
Ihor Kolomoyski,the Ukrainian multi-billionaire and current owner and president of Ukrainian club Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk is interested in getting his hands on Aston Villa but he would want to install current Dnipro manager and ex-spuds Spanish manager Juande Ramos as manager.
The way Dnipro plays (well from the few years I’ve seen them in the Europa League), they’re actually quite fun to watch. Attacking football with pace, something that works incredibly well in the EPL.
where are you getting that from Jason?
do you have a link?
Forbes considers him to be worth $3b as of 2012. While the same time Korrespondent believes he’s worth more than doubt that at $6.5b (according to Wikipedia).
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More rumours from that site…..LAMBERT HAS LEFT….!!!!!!
My head is mush, its worse than any normal end of season rumour mill!!!
nothing to support that anywhere else but with moyes getting the sack the timing would be perfect.
Pure speculation mate like you say perfect timing with moyes now gone.
No way do we want moyes. Utd got rid of him because they don’t trust him with £150m to spend in summer. It will be MON part 2 ffs
Hardly.
Moyes did a fantastic job at Everton and whoever took Man Utd over this season was destined to fail.
Nothing is good enough for you, a Chairman with 4 billion dollars isn’t enough, is considered peanuts apparently, Moyes not good enough as manager, your expectations are out of control.
We need a non-British manager. Whilst Moyes in no doubt better than Lamberk (then again who isn’t), he is still dour and plays shit football. By appointing a non-British manager the new owners will have my support.
Spot on Belcs he is another overrated myth like mon. Look at Everton under moyes solid but full and boring. Under Martinez solid but with swashbuckling flair. I rest my case
Moyes cannot be trusted to spend £150m that utd will have for summer players. Why should we trust him with our money Ffs. He did ok at Everton but even with a better squad of players is struggling to finish top 6. He cannot handle big names and assuming we will have a lot of money to spend no big names would work for moyes. If he coukd t attract them at utd he will not attract them for us. Also his Everton teams although solid played some of the most boring football ever. Now under Martinez they play some of the best. He has never won a thing and has never beaten a sky 4 team away Ffs. Even lamberk and mclown have achieved this. Like lamberk he has given them most unwanted records ever. Moyes no thanks
Ahh I see we’re already talking about this then.
No to Moyes for me I’m afraid. Worked wonders at Everton on a budget that’s true but I have to say I’m firmly for the continental managerial appointment this time round. It could be the fresh start we’re all hoping for…
Because no continental managers have failed in England right?
And Rodgers has done such a bad job at Liverpool too ….
Rogers inherited a decent team. He inherited Suarez, Henderson, Gerrard etc. And he added to it and took them to the next level like Martinez at Everton did but he had 2 world class players to build team around. Fergie was a one of. We need a continental manager if you look at Chelsea, city, arsenal they all have foreign managers and like it or not like the players they are better overal. I’d rather have a pochetino than a moyes any day of the week. Moyes is damaged goods and has become a national joke. When Chelsea fans were singing “David moyes we want you to stay” that said it all. Also utd will not be getting in another British manager that’s for sure.
Rodgers is a different case as he spent a large amount of time studying coaching in Spain, his mentality/ methods are very much continental. Very much the exception to the rule.
Moyes is just a more effective version of Lamberk. We need a manager who can take us above mid table and not playing hoofball.
My choice has always been Thomas Tuchel – not a big name outside of Germany but a top class coach and manager with a positive, attacking philosophy. Kind of the Martinez of the Bundesliga, except his results with Mainz have been even more impressive tbh.
Randy’s plane landed in Brum 0800 hrs this morning!
Lol are you for real?
I heard that too
I can’t believe that this is finally happening.
I doubt that he as come for a tour of the rag market…..but that is the sort of place we now buy our players from 🙂
Anyone for Moyes then?
Moyes and his lawyers are likely to spend the next 6 months arguing about how much of the remaining 6 years of his contract they’ll get out of ManU, so I wouldn’t expect him to be managing anywhere soon – and if he gets the full amount he’ll probably never need to work again.
true. plus he looks a broken man I can see him taking 6 months off at least and working after xmas
He won’t get the full 6 years payout, which I believe is like 35m for that long. He’ll get a year’s worth as there’s a reported clause that if he didn’t get CL, he’d only be able to receive that.
I can see him going to the likes of Newcastle as I truly hope we’re finally taking a different leap than your average Joe, or David in this case.
we couldn’t agree on the colour of shit lmao, i disagree about the martinez its not hes better than the club, it was the ambition of the club didn’t meet his , looking wot hes achieve sofar at everton. dave Whelan claims and martinez decision was spot on.
For footballing reasons no I wouldn’t want Moyes. He’s great with a shoestring budget and can setup to contain sides but imo it’s not a huge stepup from Lambert in all fairness.
Although I highly doubt it will ever happen, I’d like somebody of Hyypia’s calibre.
Has done really well with Leverkusen and is earning great respect from coaches and players alike in Germany, knows the modern game well and would attract good players (not quite great ones but then we are Aston Villa)
He got sacked at Leverkusen earlier this month. Got taken over by his former co-manager from last season after losing 9, drawing 2 and winning 3 since February. He’s got potential, but a big risk and not one I think we should take. Plus I believe he said he’d only manage Liverpool, but his management caliber isn’t near high enough.
Texas Rangers owners deny interest in Villa. Birmingham Mail…
Haven’t got rid of Lambert yet guys!
Don’t depress me bencey!
who cares, nothing like being disrespectful. grab ur pitch fork and join the lynch mob.
That’s the spirit.
BURN THE BASTARDS!!!!!!! YAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
On a serious note, this is happening. It’s either major, major investment or a new owner. I don’t think for one minute Lerner or Lambert will be here much longer.
ha ha.. ncie turnaround, but I have to agree with Nath, i don’t think we seen the best Lambert could offer, the more this talk of takeover there is, the more I think the sands shifted beneath him during his tenure so far.
not defending his mistakes but i think a long term well supported term with villa might have seen Lambert enjoy more success than we have seen.
I know most on this forum don’t feel that way, but a lot of it is hyperbole, worst team since the 1920’s mcleish was better, bring back doug ellis, total shite to me.
we are not where i want us to be, but the lambert lynch mob exaggerates his mistakes and failings
How can you exaggerate a man who has given us the most unwanted records in our proud history. He still had £40m to spend and bought quantity rather than quality. His tactic if u can call them that are a joke. No thanks lamberk out
It’s easy to point to Lambert’s [& McLeish’s before him-] shortcomings, but I think that Colonius has a point; the whole atmosphere at the club from top to bottom has been ‘dead’ since around the time of Houllier’s final departure [if not a few months earlier].
That seems to me like the point when Lerner effectively gave up, and despite throwing a few more £m into the pot at each crisis point, if the owner hasn’t got a clue what he wants, and seemingly nobody else at the club does, then it’d take a manager with a hell of a personality to drive the team forward.
Unfortunately neither Lambert nor McLeish seem blessed with much ‘personality’ at least in interviews – and it’s hard to imagine either being more articulate or even passionate out of sight of the cameras either.
So hypothetically if we got taken over and had a £100m to spend would you seriously trust lambert to spend it?
Oohah – If any manager is given money to spend, surely he’s got to know what the spending is supposed to do? I mean, does the owner tell him to find 11 new players for that £100m or is it for two/three headline names? If it’s for two players, what does that do for the rest of the team?
No manager has a 100% success rate with transfers – look at some of the money SAF blew during his time at ManU – and fans have selective memories on both scores.
I don’t know whether in the future we’ll look back at some of Lambert’s transfer dealings and think we got a bargain; there may be some of his signings who flourish if there’s a big change at the club sometime soon. Too early to tell, IMO.
True but for every djemba djemba fergie got wrong there was a Ronaldo and Rooney etc. He could afford to make a cock up now and then especially when there are mugs like us to get them out the shit. If lamberk was given a £100m iv a feeling he would blow most of it. So would moyes according to the glazers. If wev got big money we need a big manager, someone that can attract names and more importantly handle them. If the new owners only give us circa 10-20m then may as well stick with lamberk as we wouldn’t get anyone better for that amount anyway.
Colo, whatever the reason, Lambert has been dog awful. There are no excuses for how bad we’ve been.
See ultimately my biggest problem with Lambert, is he’s gone back on his philosophy. Rodgers his first season wasn’t that good, but you could see where they were going, same with Lambert. We wanted this certain style, certain player, but that all changed. We passed, we moved, he got the best out of Weimann, Westwood, Lowton, Benteke, hell even Gabby looked good, we were this attacking team that even big clubs liked to watch. And then, this season comes along. Benteke looked uninterested, Lowton dropped, Weimann looks like he’s being completely blocked off from what he wants, Gabby’s back to his O’Neill days, we defend, defend, defend, counter attack, lose, lose. The complete opposite of someone like Rodgers, Lambert gave up. He’s broken, shook, he had the money and he even bought technical players but he went against his philosophy that the fans who chanted his name during his final game against us wanted and he delivered. I never wanted him, but after the performances last season, you could see hope. Now? No hope, no hope whatsoever. Players dislike him, he looks like he only trusts a certain few at best, players wanna leave, no care, no motivation, every goal against us just seems to go by him like he expected it, game by game, nothing changes. He’s in shambles and I don’t know if it’s Lerner, Faulkner, family life, or he just can’t handle Villa, Villa’s fans and the Villa pressure, but he’s done for.
Now I don’t think we need a big named manager, can name 10 manager’s I’d want over the big names bar Simeone, Klopp and Guardiola.
And I’m beginning to agree with Oohah, scary enough. Reading around, with the question of “would you take Moyes”, about half say yes, and the reason, “anyone’s better than Lambert”. Desperation from fans seems to have set in, we want him, we want him, anyone’s better than Lambert. Hell, it was the same way anyone was better than McLeish. Anyone at first was better than Houllier. It never changes, I don’t think fans want to accept mediocrity away from a relegation battle, but it’s slowly going that way, and they just don’t know much about football outside the EPL to realize there’s so many other guys who can do the job and be so much better/more entertaining and do it on budgets less than Lambert even.
Flippen heck Andrew for once you’ve woke up, smelt the coffee and joined the dark side lol. I agree with everything you said. The only thing I would say in lamberts defence is that last year we conceded a ridiculous amount of goals and goal difference was the worst ever. To counter this he went more defensive this season but he is not capable of doing both. There has to be a balance but I would rather see us winning 3.2 than drawing 0.0. The anyone but lambet/mcleish brigade are worrying me. Like you say we are so desperate to get rid of him that anyone will do. If the takeover goes ahead we may get a once in a lifetime chance to spend our way to the CL we have to get it right. Utd made a clear statement when they sacked him. They basically were saying that even though we hired you for 6 years we made a mistake, what’s more we have a one off amount of money circa £150 m and we don’t trust you to spend it. If utd don’t trust him then why should we. If Lerner stays and we still get £10m to spend then fair enough Moyes would be a good punt and within his depth.
Agree with much of what you’ve said/described here; my only real reservation is that I can’t separate whatever has gone ‘wrong’ for Lambert between last season and this, from what I see as the bigger picture – i.e. a club that has completely lost it’s way in the last 3/4 years.
I don’t think that Lerner, Faulkner and anyone else at VP know what they want the club to be; that complete lack of ‘vision’ has percolated down to managers, players and even fans.
So everyone just goes through the motions and hopes to survive to the end of another season – and nobody has much hope that it’ll be any better next time around unless we find a multi-billionaire with at least £100m to spend over the summer…
I think after big defeats last season lamberts confidence was shot to pieces and had tried to protect gd. Having said that wev had some good results v the sky 4 probably as they play into our hands and attack us so we hit them on the break even at home. Going through the motions is spot on. It’s all about staying up and that’s it totally demotivating for players and manager. Let’s hope we get an ambitious owner with an ambitious manager and a class infrastructure. We are going to need it.
Oh Oohah, if you ever bothered reading my posts instead of picking out a few points and start an argument (I know, I do that too), I’ve pointed out hundred’s of times I never wanted nor liked Lambert. lol
Change of subject anyone watching Chelsea match parking the bus. What a bore draw turned over rather watch paint dry.
Its a game Oohah we could not play with a twat like Lambert, (give him a chance ffs its a game he will never know as long as he has an hole in his arse).
Can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear
I blame the internet.
Marvin, you know that you can get a virus on the net, well we have one at Villa Park.
Does anyone else think Delph looks like Dion Dublin and Alan Wright’s lovechild?!
Changing it right back again!
The 40m thing..
Thats 40m .. for 2 seasons .. while trying to sell how many first team players?
what top club .. what mid table club has attempted to do that?
Thats 40m transfer budget but with a wage cap of what exactly?
who sets that?
40m over two seasons .. according to some is enough for …. what exactly ?
Feilliani plus a 13m player? or maybe just Evertons 3rd best player and his wages for 4 years?
Maybe just suarez according to arsenals summer valuation.. if he agrees to play for free. maybe Lamela .. but lets not play him either.. or his wages
Juan mata if we divert the remaining 2.5m of that massive transfer budget to paying him 19k a week for 3 years bit of a step down from his 150k or whatever at utd . but hey ho.
40m is pissssss in todays transfer market! .. 20- 30 k a week is equally as piss
ally sisoko is on 75k a week!
yet with 40m .. Lambert has signed guzan, Benteke, Vlaar, okore and bertrand .. plus all the other admittedly failing players but still players that have at good games or 1 good season ( lowton,westwood, el ahmadi 1 in 3 games)
I just don’t understand how we can criticise Lambert based on transfer.
Benteke alone if fit and on form could be sold for 40m ..
now we talk about not trusting him with 100m .. seemingly because he kept a Mcleish team that avoided relegation safe from relegation while playing much better football at the end of the first season while trying to sell the better players mcleish had at his disposal???
Crazyness!!!!
I seen lambert trying a 5/6 different formations – i have seen 2/3 substitutions almost every game i have seen countless positional experiments and many different players dropped and recalled .. to say that Lambert didn’t try to change things is simply untrue…
And at the time of crystal palace game I think we were up to 10 first team players injured
just as well we didn’t go the one or two players at 20m each route in the transfer market then!
and now we hear that the club is likely to be sold with survival being the only condition of sale.
Do you think deals like that happen overnight? do you think that was decided in the last 2 weeks? how long are everton and newcastle up for sale?
do we seriously think that this had no impact or restriction on the the transfers, the wages, and the strategy and targets of the current manager this season?
how quick are we to scapegoat!
Nope just like Mr Moyes at Utd who was given a 6 year contract and hand picked by the most successful premiership coach and told longevity and gradual change are the UTD way. then sacked after 10 months.
I now think the Villa sale first took solid form as far back as last season.
The transfer budget, the Henke departure ( in itself his mandate is to find long term targets or future players, his role is redundant if he no longer has funds or an owner interested in long term villa)
On that point, I refused to believe that Villa were for sale until the guardian and telegraph articles published recently
I know that Ian Robo was banging that drum for months now.
You appear correct on that one Ian .. I have to accept that it now appears i was 100% wrong In Fairness to you.
all in all, that is not to say Lambert did not make mistakes or faultless.
but every manager makes mistakes. I Just think that Lambert had nowhere to go or no leeway to make many with his remit. any major injury or drop of form or tactical error and we lose ..
I also think his remit changed sometime after the first season when our owner had had enough.
Its why i just can’t agree with the level of criticism thrown his way
Yep and all the decent players he’s signed apart from Guzan are long term injury jobs. Plus Bertrand is crap. Even worse it looks like you’ve got your wish lamberk will stay on Lerner’s recommendation. Thanks randy!! http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/471870/Paul-Lambert-secure-at-Aston-Villa-despite-Randy-Lerner-uncertainty
well said colonius ~ but you should watch out, the lynching mob may turn on you. but i agree totally, the wage budget thing is proof of being done up like a kipper. lambert had little choice, where other clubs and managers were buying better players on higher wages = more choices. some ppl see lamberts signings as his preferred choices, i really doubt the french division 2 guy would av been his choice while at norwich, but his objectives were 2 buy cheap players, that meant less experience full stop.
i am not saying we should keep him. i belief he was given a impossible job 2 do and he did it well, if this season we stay up. the point col and i seem 2b saying is the next manager needs 2 be given more chances 2 succeed. needs 2 be given a wage budget able 2 compete in premiership or we will never progress.
So why did he spend £7m on Kozac when we needed an AM
Who was the AM that you know was available and willing to go to villa for 7m or less on a wage that Villa would agree to pay that we should have signed?
how many fit scoring strikers do we have now? Kozac had 4 goals from 8 starts, plus 6 substitute appearances, pretty respectable considering our best crosser Albrighton wasn’t in the fold around then,
meh its all irrelevant now i suppose, I don’t think Lambert will be here for long if we are taken over. Its just the nature of the beast these days.
But should he by some miracle still be here, I would hope that the villa park faithful give him another chance with a different set up and hopefully different type of backing.
I totally agree. Takeover or not, give Lambert the money to have a real crack at Villa.
So based on this season you don’t think he’s too broken to have a go? According to a friend, it seems Laudrup is the one that’s been talked too. I don’t really want him either, decent football, but he’s not a long term manager.
Looks like we are stuck with Lambetk even with new owners. No wonder Lerner has been talking him up http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/471870/Paul-Lambert-secure-at-Aston-Villa-despite-Randy-Lerner-uncertainty
Doesn’t mean a thing. It basically means he’s safe for now under Lerner, and he’ll recommend him to the new owners, but doesn’t mean the new owners are gonna accept him. It also says the sale of the club will go into next season, and we’ll buy players under Lambert. Question is, does John Wragg and the Express actually know what’s going on at the Villa? I mean we’re linked to dozens of players, plus with the news of the Texas Ranger owners confirming no interest, plus Lerner coming out saying he’ll make a statement about Villa at the end of the season, it’s not really hard to write an article like this one.
Also says Albrighton will be offered a new contract, despite Albrighton claiming no one’s contacted him. Plus some of the players we’re linked too, I do like. Still linked to Kiyotake and claims are we’ll face Sevilla and Monchengladbach for him. Sergi Darder has a big future and a player I’d love at Villa. Would solve a lot of problems in midfield for Villa.
Would agree with most on this point Ooh ahh, it doesn’t really mean anything.
even if he was contractually and legally safe .. it just means they have to pay out more to get rid of him. nothing is certain when it comes to managers tenures anymore.
Ferguson, and wenger and moyes at everton were the exceptions.
I highly doubt we will see the likes of them again.
that is almost a separate but really valid point Andrew, I have asked myself that too.
lets say all our dreams come true or most of them and we get some serious new owners with resources and great football and strategic sense.
Lambert is kept on at first. Are the players still on board with him? will the crowd be?
Even though he may have a new lease on life and be able to try new things at villa will he be given half a chance or will the first loss/draw or bad performance mean complete crucifiction from the fans. The way things are nowadays it may be impossible for him to stay on.
I still can’t honestly believe that fans think a manager needs just a season to prove if he can achieve his targets or goals. or less than a season.
most on here wanted Lambert out as far back as february.
thats one and a half seasons.
just goes to show. its an agents world really. well an agents and a tabloids world.
they keep inflating the hype and fanning the sensationalist and retarded expectations to fever pitch and their clients get moves every other season if not a pay rise while the managers get half a chance followed by a huge pay out. and the tabloids sell more
Because we all think a manager is a god that can manipulate any team in any circumstances to achieve his goals .. regardless of the competing teams status around them or simply the sheer amount of luck required at the best of times in sport!
oh well
lets just get on merry go around then again, we could be sold to carson yeung’s less wealthy love child for all we know at this stage, but lets all scream for a new manager too coz you never know he could be better than lambert.
Whatever, i am raging against the dying of the light here really its ultimately futile.
I might as well just enjoy the excitement and uncertainty and something new to talk to about!
You’re right, fans wanted him out by January/February. See the problem I feel the “give Lambert time” crew have is they massively over-exaggerate what fans expected. Go back and read before the season started, a 8th-12th placed position, pretty comfortable stay up, 50esque points. We honestly never expected a top 4 spot, to be competing, it was never gonna happen, never will. But wanted performances of the ilk from the 2nd half of last season, were mostly all willing to give him another season to improve. He didn’t improve, he got scared, he went completely defensive, little attacking spark, something that proved how good Weimann and Benteke could be, Lowton proved himself, Westwood fit in well because we played closer to Swansea than Chelsea, and Swansea/Liverpool have the same kind of player, who keeps it calm, selfless and such. There are a lot of good reasons he should go, very few if any reasons he should stay. Only argument I’ve read that could work is stability, but the man’s not stable.
Lerners support of Lambert proves he has no knowledge of football.
Lambert has been hiding behind injuries – what injuries ?
Benteke has been out for a few weeks. Okora is an unknown quantity – for every Benteke success there have been 3/4 Tonev flops. N’zogbia if fit would have been in the bomb squad i have no doubt.
This season has been one of disorganised defending with a hoof up to Benteke now Holt.
There has been no positive pattern to our play at all and we have gone backwards.
I have seen us play well several times this year Arsenal away , chelsea away, Liverpool 1st half away, Liverpool 2nd half home and chelsea home. Thje rest in my opinion has been dross and we have been lucky to win a lot of the games we have e.g Man City home, Southampton away.
Lambert needs to go and he can can take that lazy arse Gabby with him.
Laudrop / Laursen would be a good combo in my opinion.
Agree with everything completely except for the last line. Laudrup loses interest very quickly at every club he’s been at so wouldn’t be a good long term option and Laursen is totally unproven, as much as I liked him as a player.
Tuchel, Yakin or De Boer would be ideal for us.
Steve at last common sense, I cannot believe people cannot see that for months and months he was lost in the game, and yet their are still people defending him by saying his hands where tied by Lerner, all them players like Delp and others was being punished for conduct by either him or his prats called coaching, for the sake of our club he has to go.
Even though Lambert has been placed in some state of bondage as some pro Lambert fans harp on about, the arsehole is still tactically inept. Sooner rid the better.
That’s financial bondage.
Thanks for clarifying 😉