Ellison rumour true ?

Well today’s statement from Lerner is for me a clear signal he is off. It is a deeply personal statement with no PR BS. Added to this are the clear facts of the debt to equity swap which was first revealed exclusively on here and I said at the time he was selling.

So I have been seeing with some amusement the fantasy about Larry Ellison, the 5th richest person a possible and frankly thought it was BS. Well it is known he likes his sports and been involved in a wide range of sports from Tennis to boating. It has been rumoured that he has tried to buy NBA and NFL teams as well.

Now through the wonders of Google I see no link with football (or Soccer) at for Ellison but I found one piece from 2005.

I believe Randy would only sell to someone he knows and trust and I can not find any direct ones, then I remembered something and THIS PIECE shows it.

Now you will have to bear with me on this, this piece is about someone trying to set up a NFL team in LA, a Carmen Policy, so what ?

Well he used to work for Al Lerner at the Browns when they were set up and Randy would know him, you ask so what ?

Well Policy knows Larry Ellison (who like Lerner is Jewish) and he also knows Casey Wasserman (also Jewish). you may now be thinking, Wasserman, I recognise that name. Yes because Wasserman Group as revealed on the forerunner blog was employed by Lerner to sort out the playing side and agents at Villa.

Policy is a key person in Randy’s Dad life and thus Randy’s life, he is a facilitator of sports team buying and organisation. Who knows if rumours of Ellison are true but this is clear that it is possible.


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  1. Bum Bum
    Bum Bum April 22, 2014 at 2:40 pm . Reply

    Texas Rangers owners deny interest in Villa. Birmingham Mail…

  2. Bencey83
    Bencey83 April 22, 2014 at 7:02 pm . Reply

    Haven’t got rid of Lambert yet guys!

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath April 22, 2014 at 7:08 pm . Reply

      Don’t depress me bencey!

  3. nath
    nath April 22, 2014 at 7:08 pm . Reply

    who cares, nothing like being disrespectful. grab ur pitch fork and join the lynch mob.

      GIDDYVILLAN April 22, 2014 at 7:31 pm . Reply

      That’s the spirit.

      1. Bum Bum
        Bum Bum April 22, 2014 at 7:53 pm . Reply


        On a serious note, this is happening. It’s either major, major investment or a new owner. I don’t think for one minute Lerner or Lambert will be here much longer.

      2. Colonius81
        Colonius81 April 22, 2014 at 7:54 pm . Reply

        ha ha.. ncie turnaround, but I have to agree with Nath, i don’t think we seen the best Lambert could offer, the more this talk of takeover there is, the more I think the sands shifted beneath him during his tenure so far.
        not defending his mistakes but i think a long term well supported term with villa might have seen Lambert enjoy more success than we have seen.
        I know most on this forum don’t feel that way, but a lot of it is hyperbole, worst team since the 1920’s mcleish was better, bring back doug ellis, total shite to me.
        we are not where i want us to be, but the lambert lynch mob exaggerates his mistakes and failings

        1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
          OohAhPaulMcGrath April 22, 2014 at 8:37 pm . Reply

          How can you exaggerate a man who has given us the most unwanted records in our proud history. He still had £40m to spend and bought quantity rather than quality. His tactic if u can call them that are a joke. No thanks lamberk out

          1. Ardent Villain
            Ardent Villain April 22, 2014 at 9:09 pm . Reply

            It’s easy to point to Lambert’s [& McLeish’s before him-] shortcomings, but I think that Colonius has a point; the whole atmosphere at the club from top to bottom has been ‘dead’ since around the time of Houllier’s final departure [if not a few months earlier].

            That seems to me like the point when Lerner effectively gave up, and despite throwing a few more £m into the pot at each crisis point, if the owner hasn’t got a clue what he wants, and seemingly nobody else at the club does, then it’d take a manager with a hell of a personality to drive the team forward.

            Unfortunately neither Lambert nor McLeish seem blessed with much ‘personality’ at least in interviews – and it’s hard to imagine either being more articulate or even passionate out of sight of the cameras either.

            1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
              OohAhPaulMcGrath April 22, 2014 at 9:34 pm . Reply

              So hypothetically if we got taken over and had a £100m to spend would you seriously trust lambert to spend it?

          2. Ardent Villain
            Ardent Villain April 22, 2014 at 9:48 pm . Reply

            Oohah – If any manager is given money to spend, surely he’s got to know what the spending is supposed to do? I mean, does the owner tell him to find 11 new players for that £100m or is it for two/three headline names? If it’s for two players, what does that do for the rest of the team?

            No manager has a 100% success rate with transfers – look at some of the money SAF blew during his time at ManU – and fans have selective memories on both scores.

            I don’t know whether in the future we’ll look back at some of Lambert’s transfer dealings and think we got a bargain; there may be some of his signings who flourish if there’s a big change at the club sometime soon. Too early to tell, IMO.

            1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
              OohAhPaulMcGrath April 22, 2014 at 10:31 pm . Reply

              True but for every djemba djemba fergie got wrong there was a Ronaldo and Rooney etc. He could afford to make a cock up now and then especially when there are mugs like us to get them out the shit. If lamberk was given a £100m iv a feeling he would blow most of it. So would moyes according to the glazers. If wev got big money we need a big manager, someone that can attract names and more importantly handle them. If the new owners only give us circa 10-20m then may as well stick with lamberk as we wouldn’t get anyone better for that amount anyway.

        2. Bum Bum
          Bum Bum April 22, 2014 at 9:19 pm . Reply

          Colo, whatever the reason, Lambert has been dog awful. There are no excuses for how bad we’ve been.

        3. Andrew
          Andrew April 22, 2014 at 11:29 pm . Reply

          See ultimately my biggest problem with Lambert, is he’s gone back on his philosophy. Rodgers his first season wasn’t that good, but you could see where they were going, same with Lambert. We wanted this certain style, certain player, but that all changed. We passed, we moved, he got the best out of Weimann, Westwood, Lowton, Benteke, hell even Gabby looked good, we were this attacking team that even big clubs liked to watch. And then, this season comes along. Benteke looked uninterested, Lowton dropped, Weimann looks like he’s being completely blocked off from what he wants, Gabby’s back to his O’Neill days, we defend, defend, defend, counter attack, lose, lose. The complete opposite of someone like Rodgers, Lambert gave up. He’s broken, shook, he had the money and he even bought technical players but he went against his philosophy that the fans who chanted his name during his final game against us wanted and he delivered. I never wanted him, but after the performances last season, you could see hope. Now? No hope, no hope whatsoever. Players dislike him, he looks like he only trusts a certain few at best, players wanna leave, no care, no motivation, every goal against us just seems to go by him like he expected it, game by game, nothing changes. He’s in shambles and I don’t know if it’s Lerner, Faulkner, family life, or he just can’t handle Villa, Villa’s fans and the Villa pressure, but he’s done for.

          Now I don’t think we need a big named manager, can name 10 manager’s I’d want over the big names bar Simeone, Klopp and Guardiola.

          And I’m beginning to agree with Oohah, scary enough. Reading around, with the question of “would you take Moyes”, about half say yes, and the reason, “anyone’s better than Lambert”. Desperation from fans seems to have set in, we want him, we want him, anyone’s better than Lambert. Hell, it was the same way anyone was better than McLeish. Anyone at first was better than Houllier. It never changes, I don’t think fans want to accept mediocrity away from a relegation battle, but it’s slowly going that way, and they just don’t know much about football outside the EPL to realize there’s so many other guys who can do the job and be so much better/more entertaining and do it on budgets less than Lambert even.

          1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
            OohAhPaulMcGrath April 22, 2014 at 11:53 pm . Reply

            Flippen heck Andrew for once you’ve woke up, smelt the coffee and joined the dark side lol. I agree with everything you said. The only thing I would say in lamberts defence is that last year we conceded a ridiculous amount of goals and goal difference was the worst ever. To counter this he went more defensive this season but he is not capable of doing both. There has to be a balance but I would rather see us winning 3.2 than drawing 0.0. The anyone but lambet/mcleish brigade are worrying me. Like you say we are so desperate to get rid of him that anyone will do. If the takeover goes ahead we may get a once in a lifetime chance to spend our way to the CL we have to get it right. Utd made a clear statement when they sacked him. They basically were saying that even though we hired you for 6 years we made a mistake, what’s more we have a one off amount of money circa £150 m and we don’t trust you to spend it. If utd don’t trust him then why should we. If Lerner stays and we still get £10m to spend then fair enough Moyes would be a good punt and within his depth.

          2. Ardent Villain
            Ardent Villain April 23, 2014 at 12:11 am . Reply

            Agree with much of what you’ve said/described here; my only real reservation is that I can’t separate whatever has gone ‘wrong’ for Lambert between last season and this, from what I see as the bigger picture – i.e. a club that has completely lost it’s way in the last 3/4 years.

            I don’t think that Lerner, Faulkner and anyone else at VP know what they want the club to be; that complete lack of ‘vision’ has percolated down to managers, players and even fans.

            So everyone just goes through the motions and hopes to survive to the end of another season – and nobody has much hope that it’ll be any better next time around unless we find a multi-billionaire with at least £100m to spend over the summer…

            1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
              OohAhPaulMcGrath April 23, 2014 at 12:17 am . Reply

              I think after big defeats last season lamberts confidence was shot to pieces and had tried to protect gd. Having said that wev had some good results v the sky 4 probably as they play into our hands and attack us so we hit them on the break even at home. Going through the motions is spot on. It’s all about staying up and that’s it totally demotivating for players and manager. Let’s hope we get an ambitious owner with an ambitious manager and a class infrastructure. We are going to need it.

          3. Andrew
            Andrew April 23, 2014 at 12:37 am . Reply

            Oh Oohah, if you ever bothered reading my posts instead of picking out a few points and start an argument (I know, I do that too), I’ve pointed out hundred’s of times I never wanted nor liked Lambert. lol

      3. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath April 22, 2014 at 8:41 pm . Reply

        Change of subject anyone watching Chelsea match parking the bus. What a bore draw turned over rather watch paint dry.

        1. Bill Pearson.
          Bill Pearson. April 22, 2014 at 8:51 pm . Reply

          Its a game Oohah we could not play with a twat like Lambert, (give him a chance ffs its a game he will never know as long as he has an hole in his arse).

  4. Jay Dee
    Jay Dee April 22, 2014 at 8:13 pm . Reply

    Can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear

  5. marvin
    marvin April 22, 2014 at 8:34 pm . Reply

    I blame the internet.

    1. Bill Pearson.
      Bill Pearson. April 22, 2014 at 9:56 pm . Reply

      Marvin, you know that you can get a virus on the net, well we have one at Villa Park.

  6. Bencey83
    Bencey83 April 22, 2014 at 8:58 pm . Reply

    Does anyone else think Delph looks like Dion Dublin and Alan Wright’s lovechild?!

  7. Colonius81
    Colonius81 April 23, 2014 at 12:21 am . Reply

    Changing it right back again!
    The 40m thing..
    Thats 40m .. for 2 seasons .. while trying to sell how many first team players?
    what top club .. what mid table club has attempted to do that?
    Thats 40m transfer budget but with a wage cap of what exactly?
    who sets that?
    40m over two seasons .. according to some is enough for …. what exactly ?
    Feilliani plus a 13m player? or maybe just Evertons 3rd best player and his wages for 4 years?

    Maybe just suarez according to arsenals summer valuation.. if he agrees to play for free. maybe Lamela .. but lets not play him either.. or his wages

    Juan mata if we divert the remaining 2.5m of that massive transfer budget to paying him 19k a week for 3 years bit of a step down from his 150k or whatever at utd . but hey ho.

    40m is pissssss in todays transfer market! .. 20- 30 k a week is equally as piss
    ally sisoko is on 75k a week!

    yet with 40m .. Lambert has signed guzan, Benteke, Vlaar, okore and bertrand .. plus all the other admittedly failing players but still players that have at good games or 1 good season ( lowton,westwood, el ahmadi 1 in 3 games)
    I just don’t understand how we can criticise Lambert based on transfer.
    Benteke alone if fit and on form could be sold for 40m ..

    now we talk about not trusting him with 100m .. seemingly because he kept a Mcleish team that avoided relegation safe from relegation while playing much better football at the end of the first season while trying to sell the better players mcleish had at his disposal???


    I seen lambert trying a 5/6 different formations – i have seen 2/3 substitutions almost every game i have seen countless positional experiments and many different players dropped and recalled .. to say that Lambert didn’t try to change things is simply untrue…

    And at the time of crystal palace game I think we were up to 10 first team players injured
    just as well we didn’t go the one or two players at 20m each route in the transfer market then!

    and now we hear that the club is likely to be sold with survival being the only condition of sale.
    Do you think deals like that happen overnight? do you think that was decided in the last 2 weeks? how long are everton and newcastle up for sale?
    do we seriously think that this had no impact or restriction on the the transfers, the wages, and the strategy and targets of the current manager this season?
    how quick are we to scapegoat!

    Nope just like Mr Moyes at Utd who was given a 6 year contract and hand picked by the most successful premiership coach and told longevity and gradual change are the UTD way. then sacked after 10 months.

    I now think the Villa sale first took solid form as far back as last season.
    The transfer budget, the Henke departure ( in itself his mandate is to find long term targets or future players, his role is redundant if he no longer has funds or an owner interested in long term villa)

    On that point, I refused to believe that Villa were for sale until the guardian and telegraph articles published recently
    I know that Ian Robo was banging that drum for months now.
    You appear correct on that one Ian .. I have to accept that it now appears i was 100% wrong In Fairness to you.

    all in all, that is not to say Lambert did not make mistakes or faultless.
    but every manager makes mistakes. I Just think that Lambert had nowhere to go or no leeway to make many with his remit. any major injury or drop of form or tactical error and we lose ..
    I also think his remit changed sometime after the first season when our owner had had enough.
    Its why i just can’t agree with the level of criticism thrown his way

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath April 23, 2014 at 2:57 am . Reply

      Yep and all the decent players he’s signed apart from Guzan are long term injury jobs. Plus Bertrand is crap. Even worse it looks like you’ve got your wish lamberk will stay on Lerner’s recommendation. Thanks randy!! http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/471870/Paul-Lambert-secure-at-Aston-Villa-despite-Randy-Lerner-uncertainty

    2. nath
      nath April 23, 2014 at 9:08 am . Reply

      well said colonius ~ but you should watch out, the lynching mob may turn on you. but i agree totally, the wage budget thing is proof of being done up like a kipper. lambert had little choice, where other clubs and managers were buying better players on higher wages = more choices. some ppl see lamberts signings as his preferred choices, i really doubt the french division 2 guy would av been his choice while at norwich, but his objectives were 2 buy cheap players, that meant less experience full stop.

      i am not saying we should keep him. i belief he was given a impossible job 2 do and he did it well, if this season we stay up. the point col and i seem 2b saying is the next manager needs 2 be given more chances 2 succeed. needs 2 be given a wage budget able 2 compete in premiership or we will never progress.

      1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath April 23, 2014 at 10:46 am . Reply

        So why did he spend £7m on Kozac when we needed an AM

        1. Colonius81
          Colonius81 April 23, 2014 at 11:31 am . Reply

          Who was the AM that you know was available and willing to go to villa for 7m or less on a wage that Villa would agree to pay that we should have signed?

          how many fit scoring strikers do we have now? Kozac had 4 goals from 8 starts, plus 6 substitute appearances, pretty respectable considering our best crosser Albrighton wasn’t in the fold around then,

          meh its all irrelevant now i suppose, I don’t think Lambert will be here for long if we are taken over. Its just the nature of the beast these days.
          But should he by some miracle still be here, I would hope that the villa park faithful give him another chance with a different set up and hopefully different type of backing.

  8. Macca1874
    Macca1874 April 23, 2014 at 12:31 am . Reply

    I totally agree. Takeover or not, give Lambert the money to have a real crack at Villa.

    1. Andrew
      Andrew April 23, 2014 at 12:42 am . Reply

      So based on this season you don’t think he’s too broken to have a go? According to a friend, it seems Laudrup is the one that’s been talked too. I don’t really want him either, decent football, but he’s not a long term manager.

      1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath April 23, 2014 at 2:58 am . Reply

        Looks like we are stuck with Lambetk even with new owners. No wonder Lerner has been talking him up http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/471870/Paul-Lambert-secure-at-Aston-Villa-despite-Randy-Lerner-uncertainty

        1. Andrew
          Andrew April 23, 2014 at 3:26 am . Reply

          Doesn’t mean a thing. It basically means he’s safe for now under Lerner, and he’ll recommend him to the new owners, but doesn’t mean the new owners are gonna accept him. It also says the sale of the club will go into next season, and we’ll buy players under Lambert. Question is, does John Wragg and the Express actually know what’s going on at the Villa? I mean we’re linked to dozens of players, plus with the news of the Texas Ranger owners confirming no interest, plus Lerner coming out saying he’ll make a statement about Villa at the end of the season, it’s not really hard to write an article like this one.

          1. Andrew
            Andrew April 23, 2014 at 3:33 am . Reply

            Also says Albrighton will be offered a new contract, despite Albrighton claiming no one’s contacted him. Plus some of the players we’re linked too, I do like. Still linked to Kiyotake and claims are we’ll face Sevilla and Monchengladbach for him. Sergi Darder has a big future and a player I’d love at Villa. Would solve a lot of problems in midfield for Villa.

        2. Colonius81
          Colonius81 April 23, 2014 at 11:43 am . Reply

          Would agree with most on this point Ooh ahh, it doesn’t really mean anything.
          even if he was contractually and legally safe .. it just means they have to pay out more to get rid of him. nothing is certain when it comes to managers tenures anymore.
          Ferguson, and wenger and moyes at everton were the exceptions.
          I highly doubt we will see the likes of them again.

      2. Colonius81
        Colonius81 April 23, 2014 at 11:55 am . Reply

        that is almost a separate but really valid point Andrew, I have asked myself that too.
        lets say all our dreams come true or most of them and we get some serious new owners with resources and great football and strategic sense.
        Lambert is kept on at first. Are the players still on board with him? will the crowd be?
        Even though he may have a new lease on life and be able to try new things at villa will he be given half a chance or will the first loss/draw or bad performance mean complete crucifiction from the fans. The way things are nowadays it may be impossible for him to stay on.

        I still can’t honestly believe that fans think a manager needs just a season to prove if he can achieve his targets or goals. or less than a season.
        most on here wanted Lambert out as far back as february.
        thats one and a half seasons.
        just goes to show. its an agents world really. well an agents and a tabloids world.
        they keep inflating the hype and fanning the sensationalist and retarded expectations to fever pitch and their clients get moves every other season if not a pay rise while the managers get half a chance followed by a huge pay out. and the tabloids sell more

        Because we all think a manager is a god that can manipulate any team in any circumstances to achieve his goals .. regardless of the competing teams status around them or simply the sheer amount of luck required at the best of times in sport!

        oh well

        lets just get on merry go around then again, we could be sold to carson yeung’s less wealthy love child for all we know at this stage, but lets all scream for a new manager too coz you never know he could be better than lambert.

        Whatever, i am raging against the dying of the light here really its ultimately futile.
        I might as well just enjoy the excitement and uncertainty and something new to talk to about!

        1. Andrew
          Andrew April 23, 2014 at 4:27 pm . Reply

          You’re right, fans wanted him out by January/February. See the problem I feel the “give Lambert time” crew have is they massively over-exaggerate what fans expected. Go back and read before the season started, a 8th-12th placed position, pretty comfortable stay up, 50esque points. We honestly never expected a top 4 spot, to be competing, it was never gonna happen, never will. But wanted performances of the ilk from the 2nd half of last season, were mostly all willing to give him another season to improve. He didn’t improve, he got scared, he went completely defensive, little attacking spark, something that proved how good Weimann and Benteke could be, Lowton proved himself, Westwood fit in well because we played closer to Swansea than Chelsea, and Swansea/Liverpool have the same kind of player, who keeps it calm, selfless and such. There are a lot of good reasons he should go, very few if any reasons he should stay. Only argument I’ve read that could work is stability, but the man’s not stable.

  9. steve
    steve April 23, 2014 at 7:26 am . Reply

    Lerners support of Lambert proves he has no knowledge of football.
    Lambert has been hiding behind injuries – what injuries ?
    Benteke has been out for a few weeks. Okora is an unknown quantity – for every Benteke success there have been 3/4 Tonev flops. N’zogbia if fit would have been in the bomb squad i have no doubt.
    This season has been one of disorganised defending with a hoof up to Benteke now Holt.
    There has been no positive pattern to our play at all and we have gone backwards.
    I have seen us play well several times this year Arsenal away , chelsea away, Liverpool 1st half away, Liverpool 2nd half home and chelsea home. Thje rest in my opinion has been dross and we have been lucky to win a lot of the games we have e.g Man City home, Southampton away.
    Lambert needs to go and he can can take that lazy arse Gabby with him.
    Laudrop / Laursen would be a good combo in my opinion.

    1. belcs
      belcs April 23, 2014 at 11:04 am . Reply

      Agree with everything completely except for the last line. Laudrup loses interest very quickly at every club he’s been at so wouldn’t be a good long term option and Laursen is totally unproven, as much as I liked him as a player.
      Tuchel, Yakin or De Boer would be ideal for us.

  10. Bill Pearson.
    Bill Pearson. April 23, 2014 at 8:10 am . Reply

    Steve at last common sense, I cannot believe people cannot see that for months and months he was lost in the game, and yet their are still people defending him by saying his hands where tied by Lerner, all them players like Delp and others was being punished for conduct by either him or his prats called coaching, for the sake of our club he has to go.

      GIDDYVILLAN April 23, 2014 at 8:55 am . Reply

      Even though Lambert has been placed in some state of bondage as some pro Lambert fans harp on about, the arsehole is still tactically inept. Sooner rid the better.

        GIDDYVILLAN April 23, 2014 at 9:57 am . Reply

        That’s financial bondage.

        1. ben
          ben April 24, 2014 at 11:33 am . Reply

          Thanks for clarifying 😉

  11. belcs
    belcs April 23, 2014 at 10:54 am . Reply

    There isn’t a single piece of evidence as to why Lamberk deserved a crack under a better owner. There has been zero progress and the football is shit. End of story.
    I doubt a new owner would waste their time with a proven failure in Lamberk, I expect a new manager appointed but I do hope the sale of the club is concluded quick enough to get a new man in for pre-season because we need to start clearing out the squad starting with the rubbish Lamberk has bought.

  12. steve
    steve April 23, 2014 at 11:28 am . Reply

    Nothing will happen until our premiership status is known.
    If we go down lerner / lambert stay
    If we stay up they go.
    My concern ultimatley everything Lerner touches turns to shit and he hasn’t finished here yet. Relegation is still a big possibility.

  13. Jay Dee
    Jay Dee April 23, 2014 at 12:07 pm . Reply

    Lamberts job safe no matter what transpires in the summer lol Lerner has set it so he can’t be moved on in the summer lol

    1. steve
      steve April 23, 2014 at 12:22 pm . Reply

      ST sales will dictate Lamberts position.

      1. ianrobo
        ianrobo April 23, 2014 at 12:29 pm . Reply

        far too late to decide then … ST sales should decide nothing, either he is the right manager or he is not

        1. steve
          steve April 23, 2014 at 2:20 pm . Reply

          I just remember O’leary getting boshed within days of the final ST renewal date.

      2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath April 23, 2014 at 4:41 pm . Reply

        lets hope no one renews then!

  14. Jay Dee
    Jay Dee April 23, 2014 at 12:08 pm . Reply

    Wait for the response lol !!!

  15. Jay Dee
    Jay Dee April 23, 2014 at 1:03 pm . Reply

    Mr Cat amongst the pigeons Randolph Lerner….UTV

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