Villa – Albion; I’ll be amazed if we get anything from this

I’d just got home from work on Wednesday and was about to start writing my thoughts about the Brentford game, when I got called back for an emergency.
So I spent an hour driving back, only to find it wasn’t an emergency after all.
The long and short of it is, I got back in the car just as we were kicking off and had to settle for the WM commentary for the first half.
Where we sounded awful. Hause, it seems, was being picked on in “being caught out several times”.
To my mind, there’s no way he should be being started, as I’m going to give him the benefit and say he’s way too rusty and should only come on as a sub for now.
I’m not convinced by Taylor’s “injury” at all and as much as I don’t rate him in the slightest, I’d rather see him in than Hause as it stands.
I still struggle to believe we didn’t get a proper, decent Left back in.

Anyway, I watched the second half and actually thought that while we were still poor, I could see signs that we were actually looking slightly better as the game went on.
We created chances that we should have done better with and massively against the run of play, I thought we might actually nick the points.
It wasn’t to be though and we were still rubbish overall.
I won’t go into it anymore, because it’s gone.

But the result reminded me of what Dean Smith and a few fans were saying in that we had a big week, with Sheffield, Brentford and Albion and three wins would see us right.
I laughed at the time, as I struggled to see us getting much at all.

And I still don’t.

Squad news.

Not much has changed on our part, but Taylor should be available. I’m not sure if that’s good or bad, myself.
Chester is definitely out, while Grealish is itching to play, but apparently got knocked back by the doctor.

Albion have Dwight Gayle suspended, but Matt Phillips, Hal Robson-Kanu, James Morrison and Ahmed Hegazi may all be available.

Not that it matters much, as I expect Albion to have far too much for us, whoever they put out.
Things ain’t clicking, we’re not getting any luck, we’re just outright rubbish; call it as you like, just as Lee Hendrie said the other night, we just don’t look like winning and you have to wonder where the next point is coming from.
It’s something I agree with. So much so that I can’t see us getting anything tomorrow either.
Our midfield is far too weak and the wide players aren’t cutting it.
A run of bad form?
It looks a lot more than that to me, but whatever, I’m glad we’ve already got 44 points on the board.

I’m getting close to the stage where I’ll be calling for us to totally change things up and make sweeping changes and just stick anyone in, as they can hardly do much worse and we can’t keep rewarding such poor performance with repeated starts.
But it’s not going to happen, because we’ve loaned our best kids out anyway.

I’d expect a goal when Albion back off at some stage, but I doubt it’ll be enough and think it’ll be a comfortable 2-1 to the Albion.
What surprises me is that I’m sure the bookies have us as favourites.


Comments

89 responses to “Villa – Albion; I’ll be amazed if we get anything from this”

  1. Jimbovilla avatar
    Jimbovilla

    Another story of missed chances leaving us vulnerable, yes Tammy has done great getting 20 goals but he has missed a lot of clear chances, he could have 35 goals. This all puts pressure on the defence. The header for the first lobbed perfectly over the keeper, no luck at the moment, great to see youngsters playing. Usual negative villa park crowd doing a great job and getting behind the players.

  2. Whilst it would be pointless in getting rid of Smith, we have to question why is Monk getting more from his inherited squad of ‘inferior’ players to ours with a transfer embargo? I think the reason Smith was hired was because of Brentford’s ability to find unpolished diamonds and turn them into players worth a lot more. With FFP hitting us even harder next season we can’t spend big money on players who have already achieved their potential. My concern is we could well have 7-8 different players in the lineup come the start of next season and we will have to hit the ground running. Will Smith be able to deal with the pressure? The expectations are far greater than any of his previous roles.

  3. Dean Smith first 20 games: W7, D8, L5 Pts: 29
    Steve Bruce first 20 games: W7, D5, L8 Pts: 26
    Just letting you know its not a happy time of year yet. we have to do better otherwise knives will be out , got to see this season out.

    1. Totally agree Bill although it’s not going to be pleasant. Too many players know their days are numbered and it’s showing unfortunately. Roll on end of May,

  4. Hitchens60 avatar
    Hitchens60

    At the moment I really can’t see where our next win will come from but then the season’s over so I would like to see us play without pressure of expectation.

    Grealish coming back will be a big boost both on and off the field. Also Tuanzebe who gives us more in the way of distribution out of defence.

    Let’s hope we can keep the noses at bay – losing to them would be worse than them making the play offs 🙂

  5. Smith is here to build his OWN team! Until that happens I wont judge him. So many of this team know that there is no future for them at VP therefore they cant be arsed to put a ‘proper’ shift in….its the way things are with so called professional players these days. All those on the way out are millionaires buy now meaning no need to show ‘pride and passion’. Limited though they are, Hutton and Whelan are the only 2 I would trust in a battle. McGinn is the future, very talented and very hardworking!….I really hope he makes it to the top! He’s the best midfielder we have signed since Milner IMO. At the other extreme you have Conor Hourihane who is a total waste of space IMO. I really have no idea what he does in for the team. He doesn’t run, can’t tackles and is s**t scared of making a forward pass. I didn’t boo him today but can understand why so many did. He was subbed at 2-0 down and ‘ambled’ to the touchline as if we were 1-0 up with a couple of minutes to go……dreadful attitude! On the plus side today, I thought Mings and to a slightly lesser extent Hause were excellent. I certainly can’t fault them for either goal! I really hope we can sign Mings as I see him as a captain for years to come!

  6. Morning all, well there’s a lot of questions to be asked over yesterday’s match, one being I wonder what Minns means, let’s stick together, is there a feeling that most might not be at the club and why should I bother? Grealish itching to play thinking some are not got the heart to play?, it looks that way to me, lets take Hourihane, he’s been a player that hasn’t shone in his play, what does he create in a game, doesnt know how to go forwards always in and around the middle of the park, or half hearted passing. Im all for playing our hopefull young footballer that know it means the future for them .it’s no good us thinking we can still do it, we just got the wrong players at Villa park to want to.Badger come out from under the bed mate I knows how you feel and you called it right nothing from the game, only hurt feelings.

  7. what is more disappointing for me than losing AGAIN, is fans who support villa, but who are constantly bad mouthing the players, the manager and the club.

    are we seriously blaming smith. deja vu comes to mind. on other sites smith is coming under mounting pressures. the crowd yesterday cheering a players substitution. its all getting very heated and not a pleasant place to bring on the kids or play smith style football, where patience is key.

    hourihane has scored 4 goals and 9 assists, so that puts him third highest villa goal scorer behind tammy , kodjia and chester. he tops the villa assist charts. so fans questioning what he brings should also include what the pother players bring.

    i don’t understand the reasoning behind singling out players. like hause and hourihane. we are not promoting a great atmosphere, we are just adding to a toxic atmosphere,where players are getting too nervous to make mistakes ,or to take risks which players need to do, to break teams like wba who sat deep all second half. this also isn’t the place to promote kids like ramsey.

    hause or what ever his name is. he actually was decent yesterday, he provided some decent crosses and provided good width, defending he also made some decent challenges. he will improve with each game. i think we are too quick to point a finger at players, like we don’t make mistakes each day. players make mistakes, in his case its mostly down to being at a new club, not match fit, not knowing his team mates strengths and weakness, plus of overall tactics etc.

    i hear we are not going up this season. then most fans say smith needs a pre season. then we still get over critical, like we still believe that result yesterday mattered in promotion picture. if fans just supported the club from now until the end of season, maybe smith would blood more youth like ramsey but he will not blood them, with a hostile or sarcastic or ironic cheering

  8. VillaAwayInDiv3 avatar
    VillaAwayInDiv3

    We all knew it was a no hope match yesterday but in the cold light of day -or 11am…we were better than I thought we would be…..and the expected rout did not happen.
    We could still be playing now and wouldn’t have scored as Albion shut up shop
    .
    All this bad run could be a blessing as it proves the players we have don’t fit the bill and the expected clear out will benefit long term.

  9. albion shut up shop is a great way to put it. that expression was spot on, we finally had a team who allowed us the ball.sadly thou second half our players just had no answers to breaking them down.

    first half we were well in the game, we gave them a good game. then was the time to score and build on that. albion came with a countering game plan and they executed that with two sucker punch goals before h/t.

    we are definitely in a rut, need to stick together and build some momentum for next season, our saviour jack grealish is back next game we hope, so lets all relax and support villa till WE die / for better and worseR

  10. That was the words of Darren Moore yesterday, stated 12 months ago he entered Albion and his first project was to stop leaking goals, once he did was creative attack and shut up the opposition by capitalizing from their mistakes, and that he did with Villa. Closing down, miss placed passes, sending balls passed full backs for wingers to run on. we had no answers, two of ours was out with injuries . Moore had worked us out before we started.

  11. Hitchens60 avatar
    Hitchens60

    Albion and Brentford play different styles of football yet both had ‘worked us out’ before the games which suggests problems with tactics etc and therefore points the finger at the manager – yet to my way of thinking we played the same style in both matches – and Albion / Brentford similarly played to their strengths.

    And that, surely, is where the problem lies. Where do our strengths lie – well two of them are long term injuries and the other two or three suffer without Grealish pulling the strings.

    Nath makes a good point about getting on players backs too quickly. I remember when we bought Ken McNaught from Everton – he was absolutely pants for the first few games – but, once he’d adjusted – what a player.

    Personally, I don’t understand the criticsm of Hourihane – what is it we actually want from a player – 11 McGinns 🙂

    1. You’re wrong Hitch – we need 10 McGinns, I hear he’s crap in goal 🙂

      1. Hitchens60 avatar
        Hitchens60

        Bl**dy hell – thought he was brilliant in all positions – what a disappointment 🙂

  12. Unfortunately we’ve not got him for the next two games, sorry Hitch Hourihane is a weak midfielder, I don’t known how you don’t see it, one thing I’m not a person getting on his back, but I am a fan that’s not sitting on the fence by say what I see. Yet hes not the only one who’s a weak player Albert needs to step up Kodjia also, lightwait players, I can always remember Barry being a player that was slow on the turn and being ridiculed but wish we still had him. No lads if you think some will improve I don’t get that window open and soon.

    1. trouble is bill the window is closed and remains closed until the summer, thats the rules all clubs abide by. so we need to make do with what players, we have in the squad built largely by previous manager.

      i am not saying hourihane is a brilliant player, but what i am saying is support the players, while they represent our club. hourihane is not as bad as ppl are making out.

      we do need summer window to open quickly, this is why i hate changing managers halfway through seasons. smith has been forced to play another managers players, who where all bought to play another managers tactics.

      if we are now insisting we return to bruce type tactics to suit the players. tell me what the rush was in sacking bruce. we need to stop messing around and stick with what we are trying to achieve. if we think cheering a player off the field after he had a nightmare game is correct thing to do. then its indeed a sorry state of affairs and we deserve to stay out of the elite league until we find ourselves

    2. Hitchens60 avatar
      Hitchens60

      Don’t totally agree with you Bill. A midfield of Hourihane, McGinn and Grealish would imho opinion have no weaknesses. No player (unless it’s Messi) has all the skills or every attribute and it’s about blending abilities together to make a whole.

      I agree that a Hourihane is struggling in the current midfield set up but it doesn’t make him a poor player. I would even suggest that McGinn is not as effective without Grealish alongside him. Grealish is the glue and if you have none, things generally fall apart!

  13. Hitch, we cannot have to bank on Grealish, its a possibility he won’t be with us next season, so honestly do you think Hourlihane is strong enough to carry the job on after he’s gone, he’s not doing it now being in that roll, all I’m getting at I don’t think he has the ability . Hopefully we might get new players , stronger players, Nath I’m not indicating we do a Bruce type move, I’m staying with Smith till its obvious the job to big, believe it or not we have had bad luck in some games, and bad decisions by refs, all I want is players like McGinn, Minns, with determination, Hause played well yesterday and I think we have just the player for that roll, let’s get strong players not old but younge eager won’t to win players.

    1. we won’t know if the jobs too big for smith, until he has been given enough time, to at least assemble his own team. with the amount of managers we have had over a decade. add to that the amount of players during that time, also been at villa and deemed useless, only to go elsewhere and forge a career at a higher and better level than what we find ourselves playing.

      i just putting out there that we need to stop making panic decisions, fans wanted smith and some of them same fans think the job is above him. we need to allow managers to manage the club. style of play takes much longer to change or create than we all think. got to allow smith summer as bare minimum.

      otherwise we deserve everything we get and worse. smith was popular with us because his teams played good style and high tempo. he knows what he needs and he isn’t about to come out on interviews and say that, cause he needs the current players, as we fans need them to see out this diabolical season.

      1. Well ive said till its obvious the jobs to big , meaning when he’s got his team,.

        1. i am just commenting on what is floating around. not necessarily on here. lots of posts saying smith should go is ludicrous. also change style to suit the players ?? smith was appointed because his style was desirable. if they want to change back then why sack bruce.

          about players being cheered sarcastically leaving the game its not clever. hourihane isn’t a bad player i agree with hitch. what is highlighted in games lately is he is so out of form and low on confidence. but where his the cover ?? mcginn is suspended and who will come in for him ???

          i just hope we get a result soon or we might have to relocate, rebuild the stadium a few miles down the road maybe we built on curse land. i believe in the owners and they will give the manager time players and we will improve if the fans buy into this and stop gambling on change.

    2. Hitchens60 avatar
      Hitchens60

      I accept your point about Grealish Bill but, as I think we are all saying, it’s down to Smith to build a team capable of playing his style of football and exciting the fans on a regular basis – promotion then becomes the bonus. I just believe that Hourihane has a role to play in that team.

      Only time will tell – I honestly believe that the one facet all Villa fans have learnt through years of under performance and misery is patience – even though sometimes our frustrations bubble to the surface.

      For the first time we have truly wealthy owners who, it would seem, are also experienced in managing sports teams as well as being savvy businessmen – keep the faith.

      UTV

  14. Aston Villa have reportedly beaten off competition of Italian giants AC Milan to retain the services of Mungo Bridge.

    The 18-year-old, who has played in Villa’s 18s side but also made the step up to the Premier League 2 this season, is said to have been interesting the Serie A club.

    Milan, managed by former Italian midfielder and Rangers star Gennaro Gattuso, were reportedly willing to match whatever Villa offered by the way of a professional contract.

    The Sunday People, though, claim that centre back Bridge has opted to remain at Villa

  15. CharlieAitken...Villa legend avatar
    CharlieAitken…Villa legend

    Stay with Smith IMO. Silly to judge him until he gets the players who can play the football he wants.

  16. Hitchens60 avatar
    Hitchens60

    If you read Smith’s management cv, he’s always been appointed to teams that were under performing – Walsall were actually bottom of the league and he kept them up.

    The other consistents are – he radically rebuilt each team in the first summer window (14 or 15 players at Walsall and 18 at Brentford) lowering the average age and concentrating on younger players – he also did it by being canny in the market and creating increasing (rather than decreasing!) asset values. Both teams played attacking skillful football and he left both in a far better position than when he joined. As an aside he does try and take key players from his previous side – assuming we could afford them?

    A couple of downsides are – it seems that his teams can go on poor streaks of results but then that can happen and he has never managed to finish higher than ninth.

    To me what this says is that not to give him time to rebuild the team would be absolutely farcical and would raise serious questions over the strategy being adopted by our new owners – I just don’t believe that.

    The summer is going to be very interesting and busy – Fred Gilbert is just the beginning.
    UTV

  17. CHARLIEAITKEN...VILLALEGEND avatar
    CHARLIEAITKEN…VILLALEGEND

    I really hope that Mings signs on a permanent basis. I think he has all the attributes to become a great Villa captain

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    CHARLIEAITKEN…VILLALEGEND

    Dont know what the procedure is on this site but my comments are not displaying!

    Is there something that I need to do?

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    CHARLIEAITKEN,

    Sincere apologies. I know how it feels to get locked out when you really want to comment on something.
    You’re posting from the same email address, but something is different.
    Different devices?
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    If you continue to have this problem, mail me.
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    Hence once your first post has been approved by me, it should be ok.

  20. CHARLIEAITKEN...Villa legend avatar
    CHARLIEAITKEN…Villa legend

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