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  1. Bum Bum
    Bum Bum December 16, 2015 at 7:52 am . Reply

    What’s the point if he’s still Lerner’s man??? Bets on Eddie Large getting the job???

  2. GIDDYVILLAN
    GIDDYVILLAN December 16, 2015 at 8:06 am . Reply

    Will this chairman have the final say???I doubt it.what’s the FUCKING point???Will he attend all our fixtures unlike Ebenezer???

    1. Bum Bum
      Bum Bum December 16, 2015 at 8:28 am . Reply

      At least Scrooge saw the error of his ways. I doubt our myopic owner has that ability.

      1. GIDDYVILLAN
        GIDDYVILLAN December 16, 2015 at 8:40 am . Reply

        Very true.

  3. Sir Earl Barrett
    Sir Earl Barrett December 16, 2015 at 11:01 am . Reply

    I think the point is Giddy, as was discussed in previous posts, we are heading into the abyss as we’re so badly run. As the Head of a primary school, I have little knowledge about how the private sector runs. Perhaps someone could explain and clarify the difference between a CEO (Fox) and the role that a Chairman would have? It’s clear that we are in a mess and almost certain to be playing Championship football next season. To have any chance of clearing debts we need a more rigid but effective structure behind the scenes before the playing side will improve. Obviously that’s of no interest to us as fans because the sole purpose of any club is to win football matches – something that we’ve been unable to do for 129 days in the league (and counting!!). Tom Fox spoke to the AVST but why not agree to an interview which would be shown/printed with someone who’s actually going to ask challenging questions not filtered by the club? The silence, once again, is deafening.

    1. originallondonlion
      originallondonlion December 16, 2015 at 12:04 pm . Reply

      In the private sector currently the Chairman is a non-executive role. To use your own example: as Head you are the CEO of the school, but you have a Chairman of the School Governors who is a non-exec, but the Governors hold you to account for the performance of the school.

      A football club is an odd business which does not fit easily into the mould. The board represents the shareholders and the senior permanent employees (not players nor the manager) who are directors. I suppose the Chairman is custodian of the ethos and aims of the club. He allows the CEO to set the performance targets, and ensures that the CEO reports to the board how those targets are being met. The role takes on it most critical aspect when the CEO reports failure to achieve targets, in that the chairman directs the board in its consideration of replacing the CEO, if it is seen as his fault.

      1. DO YOU WANT TO BET AGAINST US?
        DO YOU WANT TO BET AGAINST US? December 16, 2015 at 12:49 pm . Reply

        Randy’s ethos and aims? Incompetence?Deterioration?Debacle?
        “Allows the CEO to set the performance targets, and ensures that the CEO reports to the board how those targets are being met.”
        Love to be a fly on the wall at that meeting.

        1. Bum Bum
          Bum Bum December 16, 2015 at 2:43 pm . Reply

          Randy: “Right, yr the new Chairman. I want you to win the league, turn a profit, find me the next Messi, and NEVER ask me for any money. Got that”?
          New Chairman: “Erm…Would you like me to turn the water into wine whilst I’m at it”?

        2. DO YOU WANT TO BET AGAINST US?
          DO YOU WANT TO BET AGAINST US? December 16, 2015 at 6:57 pm . Reply

          Randy – “Well Mr Chairman I’ll put it to the committee and see if they want red, white or rose, is it French and the potential resale value”.

    2. Hitchens 60
      Hitchens 60 December 16, 2015 at 5:14 pm . Reply

      SEB – simply put the CEO runs the business on a day to day basis and is responsible to the Chairman for meeting the objectives as agreed by the Board. The Chairman runs the Board and has overall responsibility for the business in terms of strategy, resources (to meet the strategy – so that would include adequate financing) and due diligence – that is ensuring the business meets all statutory legislation. OLL is correct in that the Chairman is normally a non executive position although they can have an executive position. The relationship between the Chairman and CEO is a key part of any business.

      If the Chairman is merely a stooge for Lerner then I believe things will only get worse; he has to have an independent mind and ability to make judgements in respect of the strategy of the business and the necessary resources required. Given that the owner is ‘in absentia’ I believe this to be a key appointment where we really need a big hitter with real ability and presence. I also think one of the Chairman’s roles will be to pursue a sale of the club on behalf of the owner.

      Clearly having Lerner in the States all the time is not good for the club.

      Hope that helps.

      1. Sir Earl Barrett
        Sir Earl Barrett December 16, 2015 at 6:14 pm . Reply

        Hitchens60, I’ve seen lots of comments along the lines of ‘hope he’s not lerner’s yes man/stooge/puppet’ but this doesn’t make sense because our owner appears to have no control over any of his employees at the moment. There seems to be many people pulling in many directions so I don’t think any of them are being yes men and I don’t think he cares either. We’re we’re losing tens of millions finishing 6th and we’re still losing tens of millions. There appears to be no structure at the club at all. Thanks for the explanations chaps but surely all the decision making lies with Tom Fox whether there’s a Chairman/woman or not. He has all the power and things won’t improve – Lerner needs to come over for a year and sort his own mess out.

      2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath December 16, 2015 at 9:13 pm . Reply

        So what exactly is an exec and non exec. Explain to me as if I’m a 3 yr old please 🙂

        1. originallondonlion
          originallondonlion December 16, 2015 at 9:48 pm . Reply

          An executive is a full-time employee paid a salary. The top executive is often called the CEO = chief executive officer. If you think about it, you can see that if everybody in charge of the company was a full time employee, including all the board of directors, then they would likely be reluctant to sack themselves even when it was merited. They would also not be independent when setting their own salaries.

          Therefore most companies have non-executive directors on their boards together with the executive directors, the non-execs still have to be voted in by the shareholders. The chairman is usually a non-exec and the head of the remuneration committee (concerned with executives salaries) is also a non-exec.

          The idea of this is the non-execs represent the shareholders interest and can control the execs pay, and even sack them for incompetence, subject to a majority vote of the whole board.

          1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
            OohAhPaulMcGrath December 16, 2015 at 11:01 pm . Reply

            Thanks OLL but what happens if non execs are underperforming can they be sacked. Do they earn a salary thanks

        2. Hitchens 60
          Hitchens 60 December 17, 2015 at 11:02 am . Reply

          OohAh – non execs do earn a salary other than in charitable businesses where quite often they act in an unpaid capacity. I was the equivalent to a non exec with a major university and didn’t receive any remuneration. Yes, non execs can and are removed from the board if they don’t perform or act improperly – it’s the board as a whole that decides and I have in the capacity of the chairman of a company removed (with the Board’s consent) a non exec for inappropriate behaviour.

          Hope that helps

          1. Hitchens 60
            Hitchens 60 December 17, 2015 at 11:05 am . Reply

            OohAh – should have said in privately owned rather than companies with shareholders. In the latter case board members are elected by the shareholders normally on a three year term – but can still be removed by the Board within that period if necessary.

            1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
              OohAhPaulMcGrath December 17, 2015 at 9:08 pm . Reply

              Thanks

          2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
            OohAhPaulMcGrath December 17, 2015 at 9:08 pm . Reply

            It does thanks Hitchens

  4. pat57
    pat57 December 16, 2015 at 11:33 am . Reply

    See they’ve got the fancy dress ready for the end of the season –

    http://shop.avfc.co.uk/shop/aston-villa-christmas-elf-jumper-adult/index.html

    ‘Always look on the bright side of life….’

    1. Bum Bum
      Bum Bum December 16, 2015 at 12:17 pm . Reply

      I only wish the club was run as well as this jumper was designed!!!

  5. originallondonlion
    originallondonlion December 16, 2015 at 12:16 pm . Reply

    Just in time. Villa’s end of season party follows the final whistle at St James’s.

    1. GIDDYVILLAN
      GIDDYVILLAN December 16, 2015 at 1:12 pm . Reply

      I bet grealish will give the performance of his career that night & that’ll be after the final whistle.

      1. pat57
        pat57 December 16, 2015 at 1:18 pm . Reply

        Got to save some energy for the dance floor after all 🙂

  6. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson December 16, 2015 at 1:47 pm . Reply

    I reckon that’s one of Lerners brainstorm, who the he’ll would wear it. He’d sell more selling jesters suites, then you never know it could be for the new chairman.Bum Bum, Don’t think many would know Eddie Large, Little they might, goes with what the club achieved.

  7. Hitchens 60
    Hitchens 60 December 16, 2015 at 5:18 pm . Reply

    Sack cloth and ashes ain’t going to work so who the hell cares?!

    1. Bill Pearson
      Bill Pearson December 16, 2015 at 6:11 pm . Reply

      Hitch,, I’m putting Ban-Ki Moon into being our new chairman only the United Nation’s could save us. Hitch have a safe one back mate its still warm here 13-15 degrees parts of country, And what a nice place you have think its way out of my league,

      1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath December 16, 2015 at 9:11 pm . Reply

        Wankey Moon couldn’t save anything the UN is a joke just like us!

        1. Bill Pearson
          Bill Pearson December 16, 2015 at 9:30 pm . Reply

          See wrong again Oohah , Ban-Ki Moon got him to give us scarves to help us,

          1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
            OohAhPaulMcGrath December 16, 2015 at 10:59 pm . Reply

            ?

      2. Hitchens 60
        Hitchens 60 December 17, 2015 at 11:08 am . Reply

        No one can save us Bill – we’re doomed!

        Thanks for the nice comments – never say never Bill.

  8. badger123
    badger123 December 17, 2015 at 6:29 am . Reply

    Oohah, yes the non-exec gets paid.
    It’s not a salary though, it’s more an allowance, but it amounts to the same thing.
    And yes, they can be sacked, if they’re voted off by the board.

    It’s why this whole thing is a misnomer, imo.
    This is a private company, where we don’t know who has what voting percentages.
    Lerner might well appoint a new chairman, but if the company’s constitution (written by him or his family trust’s reps) says that he retains 51% of the vote, what’s the point?

    It’s a new chairman in name only imo, in that “They moan about me not being there, I’ll give them a chairman that attends the games”.
    And deflects the flak.

    If the new chairman isn’t a football name (and I’ll bet he isn’t) the whole thing is a load of bollocks.
    it’s jobs for the boys, as demonstrated by Fatty Faulkner getting the job at the BCC;

    http://www.britishchambers.org.uk/policy-maker/blog/manufacturers-in-greater-birmingham.html

    A total joke and how did he justify getting that job, exactly?

    Would you have millions invested in a club and not want to retain the final say?
    That’s the question.

    Don’t forget this chairman will probably cost £200k+ a year too.
    And yet another breadhead, who knows nothing about the game, I’ll wager.

    The sooner Lerner goes, the better.
    It’s as simple as that for me.

    1. Stubbs
      Stubbs December 17, 2015 at 9:30 am . Reply

      “It’s a new chairman in name only imo, in that “They moan about me not being there, I’ll give them a chairman that attends the games”.

      And deflects the flak.

      Never a truer word spoken, echos the thoughts of most Villa fans.

    2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath December 17, 2015 at 9:06 pm . Reply

      Thanks for explaining Badger

  9. pat57
    pat57 December 17, 2015 at 7:00 am . Reply

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35117587

    ‘Aston Villa manager Remi Garde has been told he will be given any backing he needs in the transfer window.’

    Someone please tell them that the horse has bolted!

    1. badger123
      badger123 December 17, 2015 at 7:13 am . Reply

      Notice the “final say” comment in Fox’s rattle?
      So we’re still doing moneyball then, as much as Fox tries to say we aren’t.

      Total bullshit and I don’t believe a word he says.

      Any backing he needs?
      Like the £50 mill, that I’ve called for and any manager would too?
      Two hopes.

      I’m expecting £15 mill.
      And maybe £20 mill if Randy thinks he’s going to push the boat out and really go for European glory (!)

      I know this is serious money in any normal planet, but we’re talking Prem footy.

      Sorry, but I find the whole situation just laughable lately.
      Even the £50 mill I scoffed at would probably be too little, too late.

      Karma, Randy, imo.

  10. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson December 17, 2015 at 7:15 am . Reply

    Badger that very thought struck me on announcing a Chairperson, if you own a business, I’m damed that I’d not hold that final say, £200k+ , Ellis got £1.75k in the 80s I’d go for £300+ ,as most now think all this is to divert the flack off him, Lerner has been schooled with his last ownership of Cleveland Browns how to side step problems, only way out for Villa is to get rid of Lerner. As for fatty Faulkner the only thing about that is cooking the books springs to mind.

    1. badger123
      badger123 December 17, 2015 at 7:29 am . Reply

      Bill, I doubt many know Ellis was the first chairman of a club, to pay himself, the greedy bastard.
      But that’s done.

      Side-stepping; Yes that’s what it is.

      1. DO YOU WANT TO BET AGAINST US?
        DO YOU WANT TO BET AGAINST US? December 17, 2015 at 11:44 am . Reply

        What was his comment? “only women and horses work for nothing”.
        What an absolute charmer.

    2. badger123
      badger123 December 17, 2015 at 7:31 am . Reply

      Pat57,

      Your link doesn’t reference the “final say” part that I was on about.

      For clarity, this does;

      http://talksport.com/football/aston-villa-fc-remi-garde-will-have-final-say-over-transfers-says-chief-executive

      While managers used to go out and tell the scouts what to look for, now the moneyballers are suggesting players to the manager.

      There’s a subtle, but very important difference, imo.

      1. pat57
        pat57 December 17, 2015 at 8:16 am . Reply

        Perhaps you’re right Badger but I must admit I don’t care all that much now.

        I was trying to think of a word that would sum up how I feel about the Villa at the moment and found it – the word is ‘Despondent’ – the definition – ‘unhappy and with no ​hope or ​enthusiasm’

        That’s exactly the right word 🙁

        1. Badger123
          Badger123 December 17, 2015 at 9:01 am . Reply

          Yep, sums me up too.
          And no doubt most Villa supporters 🙁

          1. Bum Bum
            Bum Bum December 17, 2015 at 11:26 am . Reply

            +1.
            Seems this has decended into a spat between Fox and Sherwood. Both seem adamant they’re telling the truth, but to whose truth do they alude?

            1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
              OohAhPaulMcGrath December 17, 2015 at 9:09 pm . Reply

              I believe Sherwood and colleymore over fox anyday

  11. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson December 17, 2015 at 5:25 pm . Reply

    The chosen one has gone, Chelsea sacks Marino.

    1. Bill Pearson
      Bill Pearson December 17, 2015 at 5:29 pm . Reply

      Proper name Jose Mourinho

      1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath December 17, 2015 at 9:11 pm . Reply

        Not surprised can’t cope with the real world of football. All he does is buy the finished article for millions and hasn’t developed a young player in his life

  12. GIDDYVILLAN
    GIDDYVILLAN December 17, 2015 at 6:05 pm . Reply

    London BBC news main headline mourinho sacked fucking typical london biased surely there’s more important news out there FUCK Jose.

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath December 17, 2015 at 9:11 pm . Reply

      Papers will be full of this for years

  13. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson December 17, 2015 at 6:25 pm . Reply

    Gabby Agbonlahor’s Aston Villa future could be in doubt after boss Remi Garde admitted to a ‘disagreement’ with the club captain.

    The 29-year-old was left out of the squad last week and is facing a fight to regain his place ahead of Saturday’s trip to Newcastle.

    Garde insists none of his players have asked to leave in January but concedes that he will look to offload any individuals who are not fully committed to the cause.

    Villa will listen to offers for Agbonlahor but the manager was quick to play down talk that he doesn’t trust the long-serving forward. Poor chap he’s been moaning about the way he’s been treated. This is on Birmingham mail today.

    1. GIDDYVILLAN
      GIDDYVILLAN December 17, 2015 at 6:49 pm . Reply

      MATE he threw a wobbly under GH as the manager wouldn’t play him because he just didn’t rate him,shabby said if houllier was still in charge the following season he would of left.Mr VILLA really believes he’s the bollox & should play when fit fairplay to REMI for standing his ground.

    2. Ardent Villain
      Ardent Villain December 17, 2015 at 7:53 pm . Reply

      Can’t see who’d come in for Agbonlahor; he’d have to take a big wage cut to interest lower-league teams, and which PL team would bother wtih him now?

      1. Andrew
        Andrew December 17, 2015 at 8:11 pm . Reply

        Stoke, Sunderland, Norwich, Bournemouth even Newcastle would probably all take Gabby right now.

        1. Bill Pearson
          Bill Pearson December 17, 2015 at 8:40 pm . Reply

          Your not far out Andrew, and he’d play his heart out to put us down, something not been right in our club over a few years, and I don’t mean management, although even that’s been dire, I mean dressing room might be money in wages or jealousy in some way, things don’t add up. You’ve only got to look at Chelsea that’s player power whats gone on over the doctor and how them players liked her. Could be me and I’m wrong. But it stinks.

          1. originallondonlion
            originallondonlion December 17, 2015 at 9:12 pm . Reply

            Scotland maybe. I hear there is interest from one of the biggest names in Scottish football, but Inverness Caledonian Thistle aren’t hiring so he is going to Ayr instead.

          2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
            OohAhPaulMcGrath December 17, 2015 at 9:17 pm . Reply

            They were struggling in Swansea game and pre season before she was sacked. Internet rumours are rife that she is seeing ivanovich and the way he’s been playing it makes sense. Though this is only alleged no idea if true.

        2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
          OohAhPaulMcGrath December 17, 2015 at 9:15 pm . Reply

          I doubt it

          1. Andrew
            Andrew December 17, 2015 at 9:36 pm . Reply

            Why? Hughes would probably use him, and the other clubs would easily take him on.

      2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
        OohAhPaulMcGrath December 17, 2015 at 9:14 pm . Reply

        Exactly we would have to give another club most of his wages to get rid

    3. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath December 17, 2015 at 9:13 pm . Reply

      Problem is our players don’t have to leave if they don’t want to

  14. GIDDYVILLAN
    GIDDYVILLAN December 17, 2015 at 6:51 pm . Reply

    Ps BADGER replying seems to be a long winded process now is there a problem MATE

    1. badger123
      badger123 December 18, 2015 at 5:32 am . Reply

      Giddy, I’m not seeing a problem here, but that’s no surprise given the only time I can get to read.
      I’ll reboot the server to see if it helps.

  15. steve
    steve December 17, 2015 at 8:37 pm . Reply

    how many goals has tabby scored this season.
    they will have a job shipping him out.

  16. VillaAwayInDiv3
    VillaAwayInDiv3 December 17, 2015 at 10:26 pm . Reply

    Chelsea seemed to go wrong when they were invincible in the league and then lost to Bradford in cup…….the 2nd 1/2 of season they were boring as hell and lost 3-0 to baggies….its carried on from there.

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath December 18, 2015 at 11:06 am . Reply

      Chelsea weren’t as good second half of season most of their wins where ground out rather turning teams over. Mourinho is very defensive and is only good at leading from the front. They went top of the league and started well but if city had overtaken them he would struggle to catch them

  17. bencey83
    bencey83 December 17, 2015 at 10:51 pm . Reply

    Yawn. Who cares anymore?!

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