BWS submitted the following for your approval. Or maybe not;
Reading some of the comments on here we really over the past few days and considering the recent goings on at VP have to ask if some Villa suffer from delusions of grandeur with regards to AVFC and our present plight.
The same old same old pro Lambert/Lerner arguments as the club goes into meltdown, it’s like watching an old librarian totally wrapped up in his own little world busily putting his books in order, oblivious to the alarm bells, smoke fire and chaos as the library burns down around him.
Mention Tony Pulis and that’s it; toys, dolls, dummies and bottles come flying out of prams, it’s complete and utter footballing snobbery!
Well breaking news peeps working on budget can you name me a better one? You won’t get any better, the guy deserves manager of the season for what he’s achieved at Palace and the legacy he left at Stoke is much under estimated.
Tony Pulis down at VP? I’d take him in heartbeat given our present financial restraints and given his track record and at least VP would be a fortress again.
With suggestion of a rift between him and Simon Jordan might not now be a good time to try and tempt him to VP?
Sorry but you can’t agree with Lerner’s austerity measures and then expect to attract Rafa the Gaffer or Gus Hidink and then watch Barcelona type football; you just can’t have it all.
As Original London Lion said in a post, get the stability and move forward from there.
I can see the reasoning BWS, but would this really be progression?
Not imo.
Badger progress mate? That concept as been alien to Villa for the past four seasons mate and if the cut your cloth to suit brigade are happy with Randys austerity plan well then get a manager in that can work within those perimeters.
lambert is going nowhere. The club won’t pay the money to sack him or pay compo for anyone else.
Agreed.
And isn’t the Pulis/Jordan fallout over a lack of spends???
I suppose you’d expect that we have a bit more money than Palace though.
Isnt it sad how far wev fallen. A few years ago anyone mentioning pullis for Villa would be taken on to the streets and stoned to death! Now we are so desperate to get rid of lambert that he’s suddenly the new messiah. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry!!
Storm in a tea cup.
lol .. sorry lads i have not been on here much the last month or so, I am in the middle of a move to Ireland from Canada.
I have missed a few games but seen the highlights, I just skimmed the headlines and the topics posted.
So I had a bit of time to look tonight and i see an argument to sack Lambert and replace him with Tony pulis who is currently employed by crystal palace since november.
and apparently it would be an exercise of childishness and tantamount to tantrum throwing …..not to want Pulis as the new Villa manager!
it appears a lot can change in 3/4 weeks!
It’s the Black Death at Villa Park. We’re all doomed!!!!!!!!!
Daily mail reporting Lerner wanting to sell interest from Russian and USA. USA interest from Texas where Villas pre-season tour is. Hope this is correct. Lerner out
Hope so to hope its Russians as well. This is interesting to ted http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/17/paul-lambert-aston-villa-takeover-rumours?
Why Russian? I don’t honestly care where they come from. Just because another bunch of American’s want Villa doesn’t mean they’ll be like Lerner is now, who needless to say isn’t liked for having to go the business style way instead of the fan-wanted style way. America’s knowledge of the sport has vastly grown, despite clear claims “yankees” don’t know much about it.
Yes it will be better than Lerner but how many american owners have done well. Even utd can’t compete like they used with the glazers. Liverpool have done well but there was a decent base of players before they come and tbh they will win the league but won’t be as good next season. A flash in the pan. Arsenal can’t win fuck all with Stan kronke either. Yes we will be better of and yes any new owner will be welcome with open arms by me. But I just don’t think Americans get it. I know it’s come on a lot over there but it’s still only their 4th or 5th biggest sport and always will be. The reason is USA tv companies can’t accept the concept of going 45 mins without showing as advert. Russia would be a lot better or Saudis of course. Look at city and Chelsea. They will out spend Americans anyday and let’s be honest this squad needs to be rebuilt from the bottom up and at least £150-200m needs to be spent on players so we can compete with sky 4. And even that amount won’t guarantee anything.
Liverpool, Roma have US owners and they’re looking really, really good. There’s really 1 really well known Russian owner and he’s a crazy guy who’d sack you for looking the wrong way, and I’d hate that. At least Roma and Liverpool and even Lerner are willing to give a manager time if the fans are okay with them. Personally why I prefer an American to a Saudi or Russian owner because Americans will give someone time and any billionaire can give a man money, they could be a Bulgarian, Australian, Colombian, Nigerian, doesn’t matter.
At £250 mill?
No chance whatsoever Ted, imo.
Nearer half that price and maybe.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2607214/CHARLES-SALE-Randy-Lerners-250m-price-tag-Aston-Villa-prove-stumbling-block.html
Reported could be around 200m.
Aston Villa are set for a £200 million takeover if they manage to stay in the Premier League.
It is understood an American consortium, fronted by two billionaires, wants to buy Villa but will withdraw from the deal if the team drop into the Championship.
Details of the consortium plotting to take control from American owner Randy Lerner are being kept private, with Villa’s Premier League status on the line after four successive defeats. Survival in the top flight would guarantee Villa at least £40 million in television revenue and would mean the club remains attractive to sponsors.
Early indications suggest the consortium would be prepared to invest heavily in trying to significantly improve Villa’s playing staff. It is unclear whether a takeover would affect the future of manager Paul Lambert.
Lambert has admitted Villa must change their policy of spending small fees on inexperienced youngsters and instead invest in strong players to avoid even more pain in the future.
Latest I’ve read, someone posted it on facebook, obviously not really their “inside information”, dunno where they copied and pasted it from.
That is from The Telegraph
Ah, thanks.
Here’s the link ted http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2607214/CHARLES-SALE-Randy-Lerners-250m-price-tag-Aston-Villa-prove-stumbling-block.html
I hope The Ewing’s buy us out if we’re due a Texas owner!
Lol there’s only one bobby Ewing 🙂
Oh JR, JR
In your gas guzzling big fast car,
He drives it to Villa Park?,
JR, JR
It does fascinate me that normally any manager touted has to have EPL experience. I’ve always liked Pulis, yes Stoke were boring, and he rarely bought “good” players, but he always got the best out of them and his man management more or less saves his job because they do so well and are organized. But enough of this “Pulis in, Allardyce in, so much better than Lambert.” We need fresh ideas, no one in the EPL as a manager that we can attract (basically meaning any of the top 7ish managers bar Sherwood) are coming, and none of the others are really… “entertaining”. Those managers are the last ones to have fresh ideas, but they get the results they need due to dull but affective football, much like O’Neill did. We need someone different as EPL based management has failed massively. Houllier looked great when all the injured players came back (had 15 at once if I remember correctly) and had some good players for once lined up. We need that, not this.
Partly agreed Andrew.
Not sure about Houllier though, I never rated him myself.
Far too aloof for my liking.
I liked Houllier, yes his love for Pool might have gone a bit too far but he knew what he was doing. I just want a manager that’s not going to “prove himself” to be that big bad guy by out-casting everyone. That’s the one thing that pisses me off about new managers as they come in with the pre-reserved opinion of you and you’re done for if they don’t like your reputation.
At least pullis can win at home. Stoke and palace are retry much fortresses not many teams go to stoke and take liberties that’s for sure
You’re right and I like Pulis, and to be fair they’re much more entertaining since Pulis came in, despite their former manager using attacking football at Blackpool and Pulis being defensive at Stoke, they’ve switched. But I wouldn’t want Pulis now and for like 2 seasons and then get someone in for a while. I’d want that person now, because Pulis will want his own players, own training and it could deter things. Plus who knows if Pulis could do that well with this team.
Nzonzi is very under rated, he also signed the defence which was one of the toughest to beat. Some of his signings have been woeful like Jerome. Pulis signs a player to do a job and most of the time they do it.
Palace dont look to bad some very exciting players like Bolassie and Puncheon. Puncheon was MOTM for me las t season in both matches against the saints, a lot of people dont like him but he is a handful in a free role
Pulis is far more entertaining at Palace, attacking does do that though. He has signed some exciting players, but I don’t know if I would really want Pulis here. I mean I get it, anyone better than Lambert, but is Pulis that long term guy you want?
If lerner stays i think he is the only man for the job at this present time. Three years of Pulis would steady us, its been an awful few years at Villa. Pulis is a very clever manager, took Stoke all the way and turned a bunch of nobody strugglers into the team nobody wants to play
It really depends though. Pulis left Stoke due to funds, while we will spend more than Stoke or Crystal Palace, I still don’t know if I’d want Pulis here.
Oohah badger is this a coincidence or is something happening now that the press are involved?
It does seem to be picking up pace ted. Though this has been on the internet the past week so they are probably just recycling old news.
Just rumours Ted, same as we’ve had for ages.
I don’t believe them myself and certainly not at £250 mill.
Oops, we’re getting a few tweets saying Simon Jordan isn’t at Palace anymore.
Apologies for not being fully knowledgeable/giving a toss about any other club and only really caring about the Villa 🙂
Seems BWS might want to say similar.
At least texans have the death Penalty Badger so any players or manager that under performs lol!!
Would prefer Russians to Texans. The most vile judicial system in the modern world.
lol .. vs the leading light of fairness which is the modern russian judicial system the texans could sure learn a thing or two from Russian and their “systems”
I don’t know putting mass killers to death is what they deserve IMO. But that’s another arguement
Telegraph have ran with the takeover story as well tonight. Normally these rumours dont hit mainstream press. Is it really happening?
This article is claiming two US billionares
This has been on facebook 3 days ago can’t believe press have only just picked it up. They’ve obviously got the story of the net too
How many Texan billionaires are there? And enough to make a consortium? I do know Mark Cuban was trying to buy the Chicago Cubs two years ago, but can’t see him getting in on European football.
Pulis is manager of the season. He would be a manager who is experienced enough to to tale Villa up from the level we find ourselves in but i cant see him taking us beyond 8th and that is at a push. He would have ever steady the ship for a couple of seasons for someone to then push the club on. My only problem with Pulis is the fact he signed Cameron Jerome a useless player in my eyes
All seems academic now mv with this alleged take over bid, that is if we stay up and that’s a big IF.
We need a win and other games to go our way
Not really, we can realistically stay up losing our remaining games 10-0 each as Fulham and Cardiff aren’t winning 2 of their remaining 4 and Sunderland aren’t winning 3 of their remaining 5. Nor do I see Norwich winning 1 more.
Okay not 10-0 due to gd but you get it.
Not really a big IF at all if we stay up.
We have to lose all 5 games:
Swansea have to draw 1 in 4
West Bromich have to draw 1 in 4 and take 0 big beatings.
Norwich have to win one of their last 4 games
Fulham have to win 2 of their last 4 games
Cardiff have to win 2 of their last 4 games
Sunderland have to win 3 of their last 5 games.
While we’re not technically safe, 4 of those 6 teams have to pull off that, and we lose all 5 games, for us to go down.
We won’t go down Andrew. Don’t forget the fixtures Norwich have. For starters they will get mullered on sun by Liverpool then they’ve got arsenal utd etc.
Exactly. 4 of those teams won’t do what they have to do to stay up and us to go down. Bottom 3 winning 2 games, 2 games and 3 games in 4, 4 and 5 games respectively isn’t happening. Norwich probably won’t win another game. And I can see us getting maybe 1 win, or a couple draws.
Looks like take over rumours are bollocks exactly what I thought. Lerner and lamberk pretending we will spend money to get STs sold. Desperate or what. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2607309/Paul-Lambert-wants-summer-transfer-kitty-Randy-Lerner-Aston-Villa-track.html
Oh, so dailymail of all papers claim Lambert wants money and now the takeover rumours are bollocks? If it was a credible website you gave us, then sure, but the Dailymail is by far the worst and I’d take the websites behind the takeover rumours to mean far more.
The paper has contradicted itself. Which story is true
Dunno, but I wouldn’t ever use Dailymail as a true source.
I has been known for some while that Lerner, having failed to do an Abramovich, is not interested in retaining his English Soccer team. The stakes have changed and he has not got the money to compete with the five teams jousting for 4 champions league places.
What seems to have changed today is the mainstream press risking their credibility to tout the rumours of a take-over. When you get the Telegraph and Guardian running the story it has to have some substance, even if it is information fed to them by Lerner himself.
Likewise the news that the fans are calling for Lambert’s head. Read this blog and you will know the cross section of writers have been of that persuasion since the new year, but it seems a switch was flicked at Palace and all the hacks are on Lambert’s case – suddenly. Probably because Faulkner has said Lerner is concerned about it.
Put the two stories together and you get Lerner calling Lambert to say his arranged sale is in jeopardy because the buyers will walk away if Villa drop. Therefore Lambert needs a couple of sacrificial goats, because he cannot sign new players, and has to grab the initiative and convince the players of a regime change. Hence the suspensions to bolster the mood at BH. Behind that all the players will know if there are new owners all their contracts are at risk of termination. Both story lines smell of being ruses to fire up the home dressing room – but for all that they may still be true.
Good points OLL. After giving this some thought the only thing that would make fans happy is if Lerner sold. Is it possible this could just be another publicity stunt so everyone d rushes to buy STs thinking we will spend tens of millions next season. Also reading between the lines lambert seems to think he will be here with more money next season. Surely the first thing a new owner worth billions would do is get rid of lambert. He is useless and not a big enough name. Unless of course their ambition is about the same as Lerner.
Aren’t Gillette and Hicks Texan billionaires? Look how bad they were.
Liverpool already had gerrard and Torres before they came and the side was rebuilt with Torres money like Henderson Suarez etc
I think you’ll get good & bad wherever there from, you can’t say Texans are tight but new Yorkers are generous.its the individual,it would be nice to actually get someone whos passionate about football which reflects on the field,basically ambition.
Don’t want to get carried away by the takeover rumours but finally a little glimmer maybe in this dark hole we’ve been stuck in for years.
If we were to get new owners, Lamberk would surely be gone (cause for mass celebration alone) and with money behind them we could finally start to look at some up and coming managers across Europe, so we can stop debating limited crap British managers like Pulis and Lamberk (although Pulis’ limited football actually yields results).
‘IF’ the takeover rumours are true it is dependant upon on Villa remaining in the prem.
£200 million pounds is being banded around.
Then why run the gauntlet. We should have spent £10 – £20 million in January to help stay up.
If we go down Lerner gets sod all but more debt.
I think there are a few storys coming out now to improve the atmosphere tomorrow – thats all.
Yes Steve I also believe it’s a ploy for fans karma saturday,I do hope he fucks off though. 😀
Agree Steve it’s a load of bollox imo
pulis for aston villa, now i really do believe villa fans are crazy. don’t get me wrong pulis is a manager that could do well for villa. but on the other hand,how long would it take for our faithful to get bored of the style.
pulis may be playing different stuff currently at stoke. but this is only temporary most of them players, are not his signed by holloway. but soon as pulis gets his players in. you will see a more stoke like performances, less and less flair.
this post is a joke, aston villa if they decided to shoot lambert, should look to steve mCclaron or another coach style manager. pulis would only be a temporary fix until the faithful or unfaithful got bored with the long ball. long throw ins . your moaning now with the style which lambert is FORCED to play cos of players lacking premier class. pulis played this by choice for years in premier and championship, this must av been a late april fools day u got me hehehhhe
I agree daft post . pulis no laudrup maybe .
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