With Tim Sherwood sacked over the weekend I wanted to make a case for the man I want to see at Aston Villa. I believe that the best man to take over at Aston Villa is former Everton and United manager David Moyes and here is my reasoning. Too often Villa have brought in managers with too little Premier League experience, Alex McLeish did manage Birmingham City in the Premier League, but in the process it did lead to Birmingham being relegated twice! Paul Lambert only really had one season of Premier League experience with Norwich before taking over at Villa. And Sherwood, even less than that. Those managers may have had decent records for their previous clubs but that record did little to help Aston Villa avoid relegation battles. So I think it’s time to bring in a manager who has been managing in the top flight for a number of years.
Moyes managed Everton between 2002 to 2013, in that time Everton frequently finished in the top half of the League table with often a limited budget. Everton’s best finish was fourth. But in more modern times, even when Aston Villa had their best seasons under Martin O’Neil it was Moyes’s Everton that would beat Villa out to 5th spot.
Experience is what we need at Aston Villa right now, we need a manager that can stable the boat at the club. Play a consistent formation and get the team playing as a collective rather than a bunch of individuals, which is what happened under Sherwood. Moyes may not be doing too well at Real Sociedad right now, but I will not make judgements based on his performance in the Spanish League. The Premier League is completely different and as thing stand, there is no other manager with as much experience as Moyes.
When Martin O’Neil was sacked at Villa, it was Moyes that was the club were after and this time around I do think that we have a chance of getting Moyes. His Everton side were sometimes slow starters to the League, but he always got the team to finish well in the League. That’s what we need at the club this season. And even during his time at Manchester United, I do believe that he has gained valuable experience during his time and can transform that into success. Moyes need’s to prove to England that he is still a good manager, and Villa need to prove that they are a decent club. I think it’s the perfect appointment.
Agree 100% and think Moyes is probably only one of a small number of experienced managers that would have a chance of keeping us up- big question is would he want to come to villa and will Lerner do his norm and pick a yes man with little experience ?
All the things you say about Moyles were true but he has been damaged at United and Real. Having said that you have to believe that the people at both those clubs would not have chosen him if they didn’t see his obvious talent. This french guy might be anything (good or bad) but he is risky and after 10 games we cannot do risky. Moyles for me then, if he will become available and then if he will come. Funny that you mention Martin O’Neill!!!!
Don’t think it’ll happen, Moyes likes control of a club from top to bottom and they ain’t going to change the structure to accommodate him.
I reckon it’ll be this Remi Garde fella, here’s what French football journalist Julien Laurens had to say about him – “He’s very good with youth. That was the time at Lyon they had no money at all to spend, he had to sell his best players every summer to get the money in and he basically played with a lot of kids from the academy.”
And going on what Mr Lerner appears to require from his manager that sorta ticks all the boxes.
Remi Garde, out of work football coach, with no premiership experience, but experienced at working to a crappy budget…. I bet Randy has his jet on standby already!
And he’d probably be cheaper salary wise, I bet Randy’s got a hard on!
Ha – another young manager about to come and wallow in the slough of despond! FWIW I’m also in the Moyes camp and I’m not so sure that RL is in a position to take another gamble with loss of PL status staring him in the face. He’s probably only just realised you can get relegated in English football!
If Lerner get this wrong he will lose a lot more money than a good manager’s salary.
Agree with you on Moyes, would be a good appointment. Don’t see him walking out on Sociedad though, I think he wants to see it through there.
Moyes for me, he’s a lot to put right with fans up north what shunned him, experience in his job ,but don’t think we will have a chance with Lerner being owner at Villa. Unless he gives assurances of money in January sales.
Some are saying Remi Garde was in place in the summer. I feel Sherwood was given the job of keeping us up, all that swagger and over confidence did the job, but i dont think he was a long term plan. The board were forced to give him the job by fans pressure due to us staying up and getting into an FA Cup final.
I think someone like Remi is how the club want to move forward, he will know the French market very well and will have contacts and knowledge about further signings. Randy has tinkered away at different ideas to make the club run itself without any further investment.
Plan A was the MON get into the CL establish top 4 side let the rewards roll in. Failed
Plan B MON spent all my cash who is Habib Beye? Get in a well known and respected manager who knows the French market. GH heart attack fans not happy. Darren Bent panic buy. and the beginning of our downward trajectory
Plan C Alex McLeish knows the loanings and free signings market very well, offload high earners. Target Europa league Failed
Plan D Paul Lambert clubs wage bill still out of control buy young and hungry players sell on any at a profit, stay in the Prem. In a ot of fans eyes a failure including myself, in the eyes of Randy a success.
Plan E I feel this plan was quicker than expected and that Lambert would have parted company in the summer regardless. Removal of Faulkner and Lambert bring in a CEO and a team of people to regenerate the club and take the flak for any failings. This plan i feel was meant to take place this summer, i dont feel Sherwood is a part or ever was a part of the show, but he had to be played out. Start producing decent young players and signing players that can be developed and sold on at a profit. Expect some to fail and some to succeed balance sheet will show a profit.
David Moyes does not tick all of those boxes and so i will be surprised if he comes in. For me Moyes is the right choice as i feel Everton and Villa are very similar clubs who should be achieving 6-10th season in and season out. Moyes knows the level well and has only failed because he has been managing outside of this area. Arguably Moyes failure at Utd was probably more down to Gill retiring than Moyes.
Sorry if this is jumbled but these are a few thoughts i have had since Sherwood was sacked
Oh wow – I totally forgot about Beye.
As much as I would hate to see yet another scotsman/british manager at the helm, I agree and think Moyes is the most sensible and stable choice out there.
Don’t know much about this Remy Garde fella apart from what the rags are recycling. Seems to be good working with youth and on a budget as he did with Lyon, got them 3 solid finishes and quarters in the Europa and last 16 in CL. But, this is not Ligue 1 we’re talking about here.
The French league is miles behind the EPL, La Liga, Serie 1, ze German one and a shout at the Erividersie as well to be honest. The EPL is a completely different kettle of fish. Besides Marseille PSG Monaco and Lyon you have a bunch of other teams like Guingamp who regularly play out ‘les matches nul’ (roughly translated as ‘fucking boring draws’) the pace is miles behind the others as well.
We have to get this appointment right, we’re fucked right now so another couple of weeks to make sure we have the right man in charge won’t make too much difference. If the board rush it just for the sake of getting someone in we could be worse off than we were with TS, PL and the man who we shall not name…
Moyes does seem to be the best option. Either him or Dwight Yorke…. :/
There other alternative and my personal want is Favre, would make me a very happy villan if he was appointed
Sorry gents, but I don’t agree that Moyes would be the right choice today.
Yes, he did well in restricted circumstances at Everton. That now seems a long time ago.
He was first touted for the Villa job when MON left us in the lurch the day before the start of the 2010/11 season. While he might just have been the right man at that time to continue what MON had started, that was over 5 years ago and a lot has changed in that time – both for him and at Villa.
Even if he still retains any hunger for another long-term stint ahead of him, where he might be able to build something solid, his recent results at Sociedad lead me to question whether he’d actually have the short-term impact to save us from the drop this season with the young players we’ve got – and by the time the January window opens, we could be beyond any hope of saving through that route anyway.
And while it’s possibly a bit personal, I’ve long been suspicious about any of the ‘mates’ that Sir Red Face touted around as supposedly brilliant managers – Moyes and McLeish to name two – it always felt like a Glaswegian old pals act, and I think we’ve already had enough of that at VP for a while.
Now we have Wenger picking our manager. Fox is worse than Faulkner imo
How about Dwight Yorke???
No???
Thought not.
Watching SS News and they report that Gus Poyet is on the ahortlist for the job.
FFS.
No, no a thousand times no – would rather have Dwight Yorke than Poyet!
Wouldn’t want that traitor at our club what qualifies Yorke he’s never managed in his life.
Sky Sports don’t have a clue. They never do about Villa. Pretty easy to make up rumours about any number of out of work managers.
All bookmakers have Garde odds on followed by Moyes then Poyet. Horrible feeling that Poyet is the back up should they fail to get either of the favourites – heaven help us!
Moyes isn’t one of their favorites. We’ll continue looking foreign if we can’t get Garde.
Hope so
Any truth 2 million Sherwood getting? seems as if all planed two quickly to me. this might mean they know who it is.
B’ham mail were quoting “1 year’s pay” as “£2m” – unless he lands another management job before October 2016, in which case the amount drops. There wasn’t any further information, but they seem to assume that it’s about the same as McLeish and Lambert received….
If true, probably a standard part of the contract they issue to all new managers at VP [ & if Lerner wants to try any of us out on those terms, I’m sure we’d be forming a very long queue down the Trinity Road!]
Disagree. Any manager is a risk, but I think what the club needs now is someone who is willing to work with the club rather than rip it apart from the inside. If Garde is as tactically astute as what I read he could hit the ground running and push us forward.
There was a time when Moyes would have been a perfect fit for the club, but I am afraid that ship has sailed. The league changed, the club structure changed, and Moyes mindset has changed. To assume he is the same safe pair of hands he was at Everton is a bit reckless.
OGS was odds on for the villa job once. The rest is history – Cardiff
Are you saying managing Lyon is the same as managing Molde? This is a completely different situation.
I was saying that even though he is a big odds on it doesn’t always happen.
Until yesterday I hadn’t even heard of Garde so I am not getting my hopes up.
Very true – He did back out of the Newcastle job, although given the amount of immediate press and the fact that his former employer (C+) has already been open about him holding talks it seems like Fox has been at this for a while. Given his coincidental one-step removed form Lerner and the board (Houllier/Arsenal connections) this one sounds like it’s only a matter of time.
Apparently Lyon won’t release his coaching staff. Do may not happen. Fox incompetent he should of checked this out first. Why are we going to Wenger for a reference Fergie stitched us up he will too. If we had proper football people we wouldn’t need to grovel to other clubs
It’s been all over the press the past two days – Garde seems to be the man and money talks. We are not paying anyone for Garde so if these staff members want to come, well then the club will pay their fee. No club, Metz or Lyon, can ‘keep’ staff from going – just like any business.
Were Lyon any good with garde in charge???did he leave or get sacked??? If so why???
From what I read he took a break to spend time with family – definitely not sacked. Lyon won two cup finals (similar to FA cup) during his time and stayed competitive even with the new the influx of money into the league from teams like PSG – Qatari owners, etc.
Cheers for that Marvin
There is no way David Moyes is coming to our club.
There is no way an established Orem manager is coming to our club.
Lerner will employ a yes man someone willing to continue austerity and be expected to manipulate the fans while deflecting flack from Lerner.
Absolute disgrace our club is rotten through and through no decent manager will work under Lerner.
Ask yourself if a manger comes to Villa it will be to support Lerner what respectful successful manager would do that?
The name may change but all Lerners managers will have the same remit and the same brief finish 17th.
If relegation and years of obscurity are required to get rid of Lerner so be it.
We’ve had six years of dross losing most weeks and playing dire football.
As a club we are a laughing stock. One person to blame Lerner.
Bring on relegation. Lerner out
Sick of hearing all these posts saying Lerner is to blame.
Yes he is, but constantly crying about it isn’t going to help or change a thing. He is going nowhere until he manages to find a buyer, so I wish people would stop going on! Deal with it!
We are getting a new manager soon so let’s get behind him whoever it is, and pray he is not as tactically inept as Sherwood (which would take some doing).
IMO, with Sherwood out, things are on the up, and let’s face it, we can only go one way now and thats up!
UTV.
Couldn’t agree more.
Agreed this is also about our next manager not a discussion about the ineptitude or otherwise of our owner and board. For those who want to rant on about Lerner, Badger had already said he will be putting up a post linked to that subject.
In regard to the odds, I was merely recording the fact and bookies are normally in the ball park. We had discussions with OGS -,he turned us down and Garde / Moyes may do the same. What concerns me is the appearance of Poyet as a possible!
I actually like Poyet
Something tells me you’ll change your mind quickly if he got hired!? ????
Deal with it? That’s like being 20 stone from shoving too many chip pasties in yr face and putting up with being a fat bastard because you’re a greedy bloater. With this TV money on the horizon I don’t believe for one minute that Lerner wants to sell. He spent f*** all close season and just keepa coming up with the next hair brained scheme. Browns Pt 2. We should be protesting every game, or keeping the stadium empty until he’s forced out. Even Mike Ashley puts more of his money into the Barvodes than Lerner. Saying that, look where they are! 🙂
Agree he ain’t selling its total bollox
Here’s the thing, there is no case for Moyes. And I’ll give you a few reasons.
You talk about Premier League experience, and great he has a lot, but how much experience does he have with the current mix of European and American style board that we have? Bar at Sociedad, ziltch. He had full control at Everton, he didn’t have someone saying no to his transfers unless they were too costly, he wouldn’t have a say in who we bought here. If we were ran like a typical Premier League side where he got full say, I’d agree.
Second: The players. Everton were a vastly British-based side. And a good one at that. Our current British players are by far the worst players we have at the club, bar Clark, Westwood,Grealish, could make a case for Richards too. But that’s about it. As a typical British manager, he’d look into playing those players like Richardson, Hutton, Lescott, Gabby, Bennett, and we can’t have that in this side. Our foreign players are by and some way far our better players and we need a manager that will use them.
Third: Tactics. Moyes is a defensive minded manager and as we’ve seen under Lambert and Sherwood, we can’t play that way. We don’t have the grit, determination, mind-set and the players to play that way. He also largely relied on his wingers to get forward, and we can’t do that either. Our AM’s don’t track back near enough for that. We need someone more attack minded and tactically adept to use these players.
An Established Premier League manager with experience doesn’t work with the system. One thing Villa fans do a lot is spout names off like its nothing, without actually thinking about the system and players at large that we have. Moyes won’t work for a number of reasons. Which is why we’re looking foreign.
You make a good arguement in many ways except your opening para ‘(run) like a typical premier league side’ – no such thing in modern football
More or less meant most Premier League sides don’t use a Sporting director and a director of recruitment. The manager has scouts go scout players they want, or the types of players they would want, and the manager makes the decision with the owner on who to get. That’s not even close to the case at Villa.
I suppose the problem I have is believing what I read in the press and that’s all I really have as a reference point for how football clubs are managed. Given that they are privately owned they are under no obligation to share any information with the fans and neither do they do do.
Generally I just despair as to where football now stands but that’s probably because I’m just a grumpy old man 🙂
The other think with this article is why Adam skipped over the failure in Spain as if it’s not important. Yes it is!
We need to fork out for the goods now pure and simple. This decision is quite possibly the biggest one in the last 5-6 seasons maybe much longer.
We have started terribly we are sat rock bottom of the league and this time we have no Benteke and no Delph.
We need a team now, we need players to take ownership of our results. No heads down, no temper tantrums and no wasted chances.
Heads need banging and fingers need wagging at certain individuals. No more pussy footing around players, we need an authorities figure who can keep the dressing room, get his message across and see it executed. I had never favoured this name before but as I write this now one name comes to mind and ticks the boxes for me.
person and it almost saddens me to say it but j believe he is the man to turn it round and take ownership.