The Birmingham Mail are saying that Milan Mandaric has had a bid for the club turned down, even though it met Xia’s financial demands and I’m again wondering why?
And then it turns out that Wyness isn’t suing for “wrongful dismissal”, but is accusing Xia of “tortious interference” instead;
https://villaleaks.com/avfc-tortious-interference/
No, I didn’t know what it was either, but put simply, it’s where an owner prevents an officer from complying with his legal obligations.
The article states that “the implication would be that he was prevented from seeking insolvency advice and / or investment for AVFC by Xia, despite his fiduciary responsibilities to do so.”
Which is pretty much what we thought.
The interesting or probably worrying part though, is the following;
“The further implication of this is twofold; that Xia cannot let the club go into administration nor can he sell the club.”
Now, I don’t quite understand this, as it seems to me that if Xia sells, there would probably be some sort of agreement to sort out the debts.
But it’s always possible that I’m missing something, in which case perhaps you can enlighten me?
Is it the fact that Xia is being sued that makes it impossible for him to sell?
I don’t know, but whoever is leaking this stuff seems to know what they’re talking about and it certainly fits with Xia’s statement that the club isn’t up for sale.
I’m not sure if I fancy Mandaric coming in. From memory it seems fans loathed him, but there’s no doubt he leaves clubs on a much better footing and if that’s what’s required, maybe he might be good for the club, if not us supporters.
Whatever, if this story is true, it’s all very worrying, as we might very well be stuck in total limbo.
It goes from bad to worse!
i think we should all sign up, on the best meditation course available, its nearly start of the season so iam well happy, saturdays is my only free day and villa playing is all that i care about.
this season is a free swing, if the kids are all messi’s we will walk away with the tittle. if they are not all that, we are going to be in for a long hard to take season. but will be fun seeing the kids blooded wont it
i heard the games on youtube today 3pm i will rather watch them than englands friendly with belgium
Badger, something thing very fishy going on here.I’ve read the links you place in and its very confusing. I’m going to be honest that i don’t trust Xia, he’s playing games with Villa and the outcome we WILL suffer, I think Wyness did the right thing and the Chinese chump wants to break the law and Villa going to suffer.he knows that players like Grealish, Chester, and possible four other will get his money back then sell. I don’t trust Xia.
how many weeks has the transfer window been open and how many players have been sold. we will have to sell anybody we can, because we are not gonna be able to rely on selling the players we most desire to go.
if jedi goes that will be a big bonus, chester i cant see how he will stay hes gonna be sold if they get 10 million for. because his wages are 40k. lansbury another 40k we cant afford and hes more likely to stay, because we wont have any buyers for him.
our biggest asset is grealish he will go, even thou hes not a hight earner. because they need money and he is the one player other clubs will want and at a high enough figure to make a difference to the debt in ffp
we should start to worry if and when the clubs start coming in for players like murphy green davis types
I don’t see why Wyness’ action would prevent Xia either selling or putting the club into administration as he, himself, as an officer of the company has fiduciary obligations under Company Law. I also wonder whether the action being taken by Wyness is personal against Xia or the company.
It comes back to the question of whether Xia is his own master.
Whatever, it is not good news.
No, I don’t understand it at all, Hitch.
Surely if the only way to save the club was to sell, he’d be allowed too?
In other news, we’ve rejected a £5 mill bid from Stoke for Chester.
The “taking the piss” begins 🙁
Stoke offer 5 million for Chester, the vultures are moving in, been rejected, Xia wants 10 million.
The England match is on at 3 pm and Villa kick off today in a friendly at Kidderminster, it’s on u tube.
There’s two games Bill, Telford too.
Both on Youtube, I believe.
Team for the Telford game;
STARTING XI: Steer, Bree, Chester, Bedeau, Clark, De Laet, Whelan, Hourihane, Green, Davis, Kodjia.
SUBS: Sarkic, Revan, C Taylor, Ige, Birch, Pastorek, Mooney, Tait, Guy, Sea.
The Kiddy game;
Villa (4-2-3-1): Bunn; Hutton, Elphick, Suliman, Taylor; Gardner, Lansbury; Adomah, Grealish, Clarke; Knibbs
I wonder which one Bruce will be at?
Cheers Badger, I’ve got the panel talking on England’s game coming on now. The very thing we picked up on was a creative midfield player like Grealish, how is it thought about now when its gone. That stood out a mile in all England’s games, I’m back to watching Villa at Kiddy.
I’ve been thinking about this again while watching England’s poor performance.
I think what the Villaleaks article is implying, is that if Xia sells or puts us into administration, it’s an admission that Wyness was indeed acting correctly and leaves him on a very sticky wicket.
Does that make sense?
Completely Badger – good call
Here’s an article from Jame Rushton.
So why did Xia reject the bid? The owner must now face questioning from all angles. Promising bids are coming in for the club – they won’t save players like Jack Grealish – but they will ensure Villa can pay the bills. The latter is incredibly important. Could this be another gamble by the owner? Will he chance Villa getting promoted so he can sell at a higher price?
It’s getting bizarre at Villa, and that is only pushing fans and critics of the club to jump to a number of conclusions. The entire situation isn’t helped by leaks and reports that point to a different truth than the one we may be acknowledging. We all thought recently-dismissed CEO Keith Wyness would be suing the club for ‘unfair dismissal’, when news has broken that he’ll likely be taking a tortious inference case forwards. This reveals a whole new story – that Wyness was dismissed for ‘doing his job’ – be that finding new investors, or taking the club into administration to prevent it from being actively harmed. We’ll wait to see what comes of that before making a conclusion. If you want some opinion though, I’d bet my last fiver on Tony Xia waiting on this until the last minute as he needs to save face with his domestic backers. He won’t deal with people outside of China and will keep the club, with administration probably the only thing that will tear him out of it.
I sincerely hope that my opinion doesn’t match the facts to come. I just want everything to go back to the way it was, but it can’t. It’s too late now. Who knows how this will unfold
Yes, every bit, Xia playing games with the club, and FA. He’s on a dangerous mission the way he’s playing the law of football.I feel time will tell and an investigation will come in.
So, pride and self preservation seems to be what is preventing the sale of the club or injection of investment… not sure this is helping with my anxiety.
Mandaric, sure – if he can get Xia to the table. He’s a shark, but a football shark with a proven record of leaving a club in a better position. I could care less if he makes millions in the process, as long as, the club becomes financially sound and pushes for promotion. Compared to Lerner and Xia, who have run the club down over years of gambles and general inexperience regarding running a football club, I would gladly welcome Mandaric.
Xia’s arrived in London.
I’d expect he’s going to handle any transfer deals and things will start hotting up now.
Or maybe he’s here to do a sale/investment deal for the club?
I hope so.
i apologise for my latest post but i speak as i see it.
both suliman and bedeau looked well below championship standards. i hear grumbles for signing other clubs youths. but here is the point. we can only play our youths if they are almost ready. also in positions like centre back their are no hiding places. they are not even close to the standards required.
elphick looked decent he was always coaching suliman through the game. chester was doing likewise to bedeau, who looked the better of the two. made some good one on one challenges.
i will bare in mind this was first game of preseason. but on this evidence we need another centre back to partner elphick if / and when chester leaves.
This is what worries me Nath.
It’s all well and good clamouring for the kids to play, but what happens if they aren’t good enough?
They’ll be crucified by our own fans, because that’s the nature of things.
Drip them in, with the odd games, by all means, but we can’t rely on them.
That said, we may have no choice.
Mr Xia, what have you done?
exactly badger. you hit the nail there. fans want them now to be given the chance. but its a sink or swim for them, some players are simply not gonna make it. others need to be nurtured, like both were in the two games. but centre back and goalie are positions you can’t really play and learn on the job, or your results will be up and down.
i don’t want to be nasty, but i felt watching both yes they are young and need games to gain experience, but are we really gonna use these two, cause i will fear for us. just think if elphick picks up a knock that keeps him out for 6 months we would be well and truly fooked with those two in the heart of the defence,
steer is also a novice in goal. but i am more confident with him. he has played at this level with hudderfields, but his job will be made harder having a suliman or bedeau playing in front of him.
also like you said our fans will crucify them, if they cost us points which they will for sure. suliman looked a liability at times. he definitely needs games and not in our first team. hes needs to play games at a lower level and make the mistakes there. bedeau i like to see more of him he looked better but has mistakes in his game also
Playing our kids on a sink or swim basis is how you find out which ones will make the grade and which ones will end up playing lower league football. What’s the alternative considering the mess we are in? Do we sign on loan premier league clubs kids? Tuanzebe from what I saw didn’t impress me when he was fit, and why pay their wages. The only ones who benefit will be the parent club. We have to accept we probably won’t be anywhere near the playoffs next season. We have to get FFP compliant by selling our best players, and probably on the cheap. We all have to lower our expectations because of mismanagement. FWIW there will still be a core of experience throughout the team with exception of centre back if Chester goes which he probably will. I don’t think Bruce will introduce too many kids because that’s not his way. I hope that with Xia flying over that something positive is about to happen. Whether that is an investment or take over by a consortium only time will tell.
tuanzebe or suliman i know who i would have in my defence, from what i have seen suliman will be lucky to play 1st team for us at all, he needs to play 1st team and at present he isnt good enough, watch the friendlies watch his movement and reading of game, his passing everything is just not good enough, some players need games in 1st team which they will improve them. but he needs to drop down levels to get games or we will stand no chance whats so ever to win games and be competitive
bruce maybe the best judge of a centre back, so we will have to see who plays in there this season. i will bet if its down to suliman as our only centre back bruce will play a player our of position, because hes not ready
p/s tuanzebe is animal of a defender hes built like a pro defender hes ready in every way to play first team. wages i cant image hes on massive wages so hes cheap and ready and available
Mandaric saying he hasn’t nor is he interested in buying AV but is ‘advising’ a potential group of investors interested in taking a minority stake. Can’t believe anything you read in the media!
But his wording is very careful, Hitch.
Read between the lines and he’s just being careful, imo.
I wouldn’t necessarily say he isn’t involved;
“Aston Villa is an historic big English club.
“But on the other hand I just cannot really say I am making any moves at this time.
“There is a group of people who know me quite well and if I can help them to move forward I will do this.
“They have asked for my advice.
“But at this time I couldn’t say I am part of a takeover.
“I own the club here in Slovenia and we are in very serious competition in Europe and in our Championship league.
“I have to fulfil my commitments and my duty and then sort myself out and look at other options and projects.
“It wouldn’t be fair to this club here, and to other clubs in England, other than saying I am willing to help out at this point rather than to be part of a takeover.”
Ok, I don’t like post coming in between posts ignoring post trying to make a point, Badger, you might be the owner but I’d like to have respect , I might be the oldest, but I have the privileges
to have worked at to club, you lot haven’t, I don’t know why Dean disappear as part owner so I’m asking why., I know can see thinking what I ask is not ilrevelent., I have more interest in the club than all of you, this might be my last input it’s up to you., I love my club like most of you, but give me respect.
I’m saying this as a dedicated poster.
Hi Bill, sorry you feel your post(s) were / are ignored. Not the case for me. Although didn’t reply directly think many of your points have been picked up in the ensuing debate.
On the face of it, Xia is playing a dangerous game as you so rightly point out; the real problem being that we just don’t have enough reliable information on which to base an opinion.
I think Badger called it right when he suggested that Xia has backed himself into a corner over the Wyness situation and OLL (I think I’m right in saying) has consistently maintained that Xia is a ‘front man’ for other Chinese investors.
Only time will tell whether or not Xia comes under investigation but, if he does, then it may be from authorities other than the EFL.
On the Oohah point; I never got the impression he was a ‘dyed in the wool’ Villa fan and credit to Badger – he runs a good blog and IMHO is very fair in the way he deals with posts / posters.
Bill, tbh, I don’t know what you mean.
I assume you think your earlier post was being ignored?
You have two ways of replying on here.
First is to reply directly to a comment or you can just reply at the bottom, where your comment will be the last one shown.
I saw your earlier response, but didn’t specifically have any answer to it, as it just confirmed what’s in the headline post.
As for respect, you certainly have that from me and I’ve often replied specifically to you, so I don’t see the problem?
Wrt Oohah, I don’t have a clue why he doesn’t come on anymore.
But I’ll guess that his excuse being that he can’t login, is piss-poor and it’s more likely that he’s just not interested in the Villa, now we’re not in the Prem.
As for threatening me with your last input, well, I’m not sure what that’s about.
I value your input, but I don’t force you to read the site, mate.
Badger, honestly I’ve no gripe on this site what so ever, in fact to me their is no other to match it,.I’m so pissed off what’s going on.it’s that I’m thinking Xia has ruined our club full stop, Ok FFP and him is to blame, he has no interest in Villa what so ever, its money and only money. He’s a gambler he’s a Chinese disaster to Aston Villa . I probably get people saying your nuts, Yes he showed us I will do this I will do that, he’s out to get money back at Villa cost. I don’t trust that Chinese git,.
No worries, Bill.
We’re all pissed off.
I don’t think I trust Xia’s motives.
But we don’t know enough to be sure yet, hence I’m not going to specifically come out and call him anything mate.
Let’s wait and see, as I’m still hoping (probably somewhat naively) that Xia has something up his sleeve.
booooo french world champions
It amazes me that France have won the world cup more than us, with their overall standard of footy, compared to ours.
We’re definitely doing something wrong.
i predicted them,but i didn’t want them to win lol i was praying for all their oppositions to beat them, so iam gutted but they were the best team in the comp it hurts to say
hard to say why they have a better record than us. it must be they have more quality over the years, but dare i say it, our england youth were winning wc last season and now full england reached semis (dont know how) so things may be changing. fingers crossed