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    GIDDYVILLAN May 28, 2015 at 5:57 pm .

    I think forget midfielders concentrate on the defense,I don’t believe we were ever interested in these players probably had a look at them & thought naaaahh.

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      Andrew May 28, 2015 at 6:34 pm .

      Two Fullbacks and a CB if Senderos goes is what we need defensively. Still need at least an AM or a winger, depending on how Sherwood feels like playing. CM currently? Nah. Maybe 1 if we can find someone actually better than ours.

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      langfordvilla May 28, 2015 at 8:26 pm .

      Or Randy wouldnt come up with the readies 🙂

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    Badger123 May 28, 2015 at 6:37 pm .

    Colonius, I quite admire your defence of Randy Lerner, fwiw.

    But you really shouldn’t take accounts as gospel. They can be twisted to suit, as long as they add up overall, over a period that doesn’t have to be a year and there’s nothing illegal in doing so.

    I believe the figures have been twisted, but you’ll no doubt disagree.
    It doesn’t matter, as what Randy really wants will be demonstrated this summer, in how much money he spends if he’s still the owner (which I fully expect him to be).

    We have at least an extra £30 mill in the pot, on top of what we were spending prior to the new deal.
    If we say we were averaging £15 mill a season over the last few seasons (and that’s peanuts, when you consider we paid £9 mill for players donkey’s years ago, when money coming in was way less) it’s easy to see where Langford’s £40 mill comes from.

    So Lerner could probably allow an all in spend of say, £70 mill without even putting his hand in his pocket, if Benteke is sold.

    Will Lerner spend that? Not a hope in hell.
    We’ll be lucky if half that figure gets spent, even if Benteke is sold at £30 mill.

    So where will the rest be going?

    I personally think one of the reasons Sherwood got the job was because he so strongly espouses up and coming British kids.
    That’s all admirable stuff, but it’s also convenient in that it’s cheap, which I believe was the main priority.
    And we’ve seen where cheap gets you.
    If Lerner can’t get away from this thinking, the sooner he’s gone, the better for me.
    Even a syndicate that’s only in it for the money would realise that you need to speculate, purely just so the crowds don’t plummet, as they have over the last few years.

    As for your argument about the massive investment off the pitch, I’m afraid I’m not seeing how the club benefits from it.
    You could shut the academy down tomorrow and apart from a couple of players (Cahill and Grealish maybe, over how long?), I doubt anyone would notice.
    It might bring in a couple of million, but that’s about it. It contributes very little in the scheme of things, imo.

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      Andrew May 28, 2015 at 8:05 pm .

      While I’ve always disagreed with you on Lerner, you’re right about the academy. On the field it’s done well for us, a fair few players have come through the academy playing for us now. However off the pitch it’s kind of useless. Bar Cahill we don’t get fees for them. Johnson went for 50k, Crowley got more than that for only because of his age and compensation. Off the pitch it’s kind of useless to us when producing players and selling them on. Maybe Weimann will change that once we sell him. But other than that… I mean.

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        Badger123 May 28, 2015 at 10:56 pm .

        You’re fully entitled to disagree over Lerner, Andrew.
        It’s healthy, for one thing.

        A question for you;
        We were apparently breaking even last year, or thereabouts.
        Assuming we spend similar money to last year, we should show a profit of around £30 mill.
        Do you believe the accounts will show that next season ?

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          Colonius81 May 28, 2015 at 11:22 pm .

          Why wouldn’t they show that? are you stating Villa hide revenue from hmrc?
          What would be the point to showing inflated losses? especially if Villa is up for sale?
          why would they should vastly improved financial reports with reduced losses year on year?

          I know you don’t believe in the numbers Villa post, and I would understand that skepticism more readily in the face of FFP regulations .. but if the likes of PSG and Man city can’t hide it with the best accounts/legal teams in the world. I highly doubt Villa could get away with it.

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          Andrew May 28, 2015 at 11:44 pm .

          Of course I do, of course depending on wage changes and such which people largely over look when arguing finances, because they seem to only think transfer fees go into it. Wages of everyone from directors, and such go into the accounts. Insinuating Villa are hiding funds? I think that’s an insult to Lerner and how he runs things. I’ve seen nothing to show me that Lerner’s cooking the books or hiding anything in the accounts.

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      Colonius81 May 28, 2015 at 11:16 pm .

      it only really takes one wonder kid from the academy to fund it for a decade really.
      Grealish could be that but too early to tell yet.

      Gary gardner make or break season has come at last, I am confident he will deliver in a sherwood team if he stays fit,

      as for the investment not showing? oh thats harsh not on the field, but weren’t parts of the stadium upgraded/ facelifted?
      Does that not attract fans to come back or players to to sign?
      does it not attract neutral events or games to be played there meaning revenue generation?

      You don’t think the training facilities help develop players and attract senior and potential youth players as well help to keep players?
      what about acorns investments?
      The other thing is the marketing and merchandising in Asia, we apparently have a bit of a following now in the likes of Hong kong and guangzhou
      thats a market that needs to be

      That all adds up but Its possibly hard to put a value on it,

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        Badger123 May 28, 2015 at 11:33 pm .

        Colonius, from memory, the Academy costs £1.5M a year to run.
        We haven’t produced a wonder kid in a decade and when we came close we gave him away, because he couldn’t get a start at the time.

        In fairness, Grealish could be the one if he keeps progressing, but we need more than one in a decade and we’ll probably sell him anyway instead of him being part of a production line.
        If our Academy is as good as it’s rated (no 1 last season, according to poxy KPIs), we ought to be knocking out a £10M kid every season.
        Southampton seem to be able to do it?

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          Andrew May 28, 2015 at 11:36 pm .

          Come on… Grealish isn’t going to leave, he’s too die hard of a Villa fan too.

          We don’t give our kids any chance, only Houllier ever did, and now Sherwood. We could have produced a youngster every season if we had a manager who cared about youth.

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            Badger123 May 29, 2015 at 1:27 am .

            Who’s been good enough, but has been held back?
            I’m struggling to think of anyone at the club, Benteke and Delph apart, who’s worth £10M, let alone younger players.

            As for Grealish, I’m really not so sure he’s as loyal as you suggest.

            That sort of loyalty to one club is rare now.
            Stevie G only stayed at Pool when Chelsea came in for him because some scouse gangster threatened to blow his legs off if he left. Allegedly.

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              OohAhPaulMcGrath May 29, 2015 at 3:16 am .

              As IV always said benteke has buy out clause and he’s off http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32925671

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            Andrew May 29, 2015 at 1:34 am .

            Was more tongue in cheek but unlike Southampton, we’ve never had a manager willing to give players a chance at a young age. So I couldn’t tell you who.

            Agbonlahor, just to name one at Villa. I’ve never seen a youngster like Grealish get so excited about being at Villa and then up and wanna leave, I honestly don’t think we have any worries about keeping him.

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            Andrew May 29, 2015 at 3:30 am .

            Hahahaha Oohah when in the hell did you ever say he had a buyout clause?

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              OohAhPaulMcGrath May 29, 2015 at 3:37 am .

              Said it when he signed extension just put new post up

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            Andrew May 29, 2015 at 6:32 am .

            Don’t quite believe that but hey ho, not going back that far to look so I’ll take your word for it. It’s not done and dusted he’ll go. Can very well reject moves to leave if he wants.

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        Sammy Morgan's Jock Strap May 29, 2015 at 8:06 pm .

        Craig Gardner has played in the PL for many seasons, Steven Davies played for Glasgow Rangers, and now Southampton, Luke Moore played for Swansea, and now he plays in the MLS, of course Gary Cahill plays for Chelsea, Mark Albrighton plays for Leicester…

        Sid Cowans, Gary Shaw, Nigel Spink all came through the youth ranks at Villa and won the European Cup.

        Not sure why we feel that the academy doesn’t produce.

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          OohAhPaulMcGrath May 29, 2015 at 8:58 pm .

          It usually produces for other teams not us.

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    GIDDYVILLAN May 28, 2015 at 7:30 pm .

    Lerners a fucking tight fisted miser,I wish he’d leave the fucking sports industry alone he’s a fucking omen to whatever he touches.I’ll be glad when he does actually FUCK OFF.

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      GIDDYVILLAN May 28, 2015 at 7:34 pm .

      Tbh I think we’re the jacksyist team in the premier at present how we’ve flirted with relegation for so long.

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    Andrew May 28, 2015 at 7:52 pm .

    Sport Witness claims Genk have a 15% sell on clause for Benteke. That would be awful and means Villa will be asking huge money if true.

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      GIDDYVILLAN May 28, 2015 at 7:56 pm .

      Price him out the market I say fuck this player power bollox I love clubs that stand their ground.

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        Andrew May 28, 2015 at 8:07 pm .

        Interesting thing is, Benteke’s never said he wanted to leave, even his agent hasn’t said he’s looking to leave. Last time his agent’s talked, Benteke was staying.

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    Andrew May 28, 2015 at 10:53 pm .

    Sherwood’s confirmed there’s a buyout clause in Benteke’s contract after all. Media’s making up the figure of 32.5m. Sherwood basically said he doesn’t know how much it is claiming it’s probably 100m, either that or he obviously isn’t stupid enough to just announce it.

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      Colonius81 May 28, 2015 at 10:54 pm .

      boom both posted that at exactly 10.53!

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        Andrew May 28, 2015 at 11:07 pm .

        Haha. Kristof Terreu, all knowing of things Belgian, claims the buyout clause is 32.5m. So that probably is correct.

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          Andrew May 28, 2015 at 11:08 pm .

          Terreur*

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    Badger123 May 28, 2015 at 11:22 pm .

    That’s a major concern 🙁

    If Benteke does go, who are we going to get to replace him, even if we spend all the fee?
    And please don’t suggest another couple of up and coming strikers.
    We won’t get that lucky again for a good while and just for once, I want a like for like type replacement, not someone cheap and up and coming.
    Someone who can can score similar to Benteke.

    Jeez, it would seem our run of poor luck and judgement will come to bite us again.

    Given the extra money in the game now, that £32.5M (if true) will look stupidly cheap if Benteke keeps performing for say, Chelsea or Arsenal.

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      Andrew May 28, 2015 at 11:33 pm .

      Austin, Ba, Okazaki, Adriano, Eminike, Gignac, Alan, Roux, Gyan, Slimani. Just names off the top of my head, replacing Benteke will obviously be ridiculously hard, but any two of those would be very good in replacing him.

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        Badger123 May 28, 2015 at 11:53 pm .

        Any two still won’t be as good as Benteke on his own, imo.

        I’ve always said Benteke will be a worldy, but this is just such a bad time for him to go as he’s our talisman.

        With Pool, Man U, Arse and probably Chelsea interested, I struggle to see how we’ll keep him now 🙁
        Let’s hope he’s sensible and listens to Sherwood, who’s apparently asking for one more year.

        I see Man U are faves to sign some winger from Benfica.
        Maybe the man to provide the ammo for Benteke?

        I hope he stays at least one more season.

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          Andrew May 29, 2015 at 12:04 am .

          Pool I don’t think have a chance. United, Chelsea and Arsenal probably do. I hope he stays 1 more season, which gives him 1 year left and I don’t think it’d be stupid of Villa to then demand the buyout fee or at least 28-30m or let him go for free.

          Any two of those will be though. Because relying on 1 player to score every game isn’t going to work for us anymore, especially if we want top 10. We need at least 1 striker if Benteke stays, let alone 2 if he goes. We can’t replace Benteke, there isn’t one player that can do it right now unless Sherwood finds an absolute gem that we can attract. It’s the way it is now.

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    Andrew May 28, 2015 at 11:24 pm .

    “It’s not the right time for us to do them deals,” said Sherwood who appeared to indicate that Villa were in the market for more experienced players.

    “I think it is a good move for both of them because it will give them the opportunity to play regularly.

    “I know them very well because I spent a lot of time watching Swindon.

    “It will be a chance for them to get promoted with QPR.”

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      Andrew May 28, 2015 at 11:26 pm .

      On Gladwin and Luongo. And they were just two on an incredibly long list.

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    Badger123 May 28, 2015 at 11:55 pm .

    “said Sherwood who appeared to indicate that Villa were in the market for more experienced players.”

    Good.
    It means we might spend some realistic money.

    Sadly, it’s beginning to look like it might be the Benteke proceeds 🙁

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      Andrew May 29, 2015 at 12:05 am .

      Or money Sherwood was promised, and then Benteke’s fee if he goes? Which seems more likely as Sherwood seems convinced Benteke’s staying and he knows he has money to spend this summer. Plus Benteke won’t be the only player sold.

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        Badger123 May 29, 2015 at 12:19 am .

        In which case, I’ll go back to my earlier comment.
        If we sell Benteke, there is no way we’ll spend the Benteke money and a decent wedge on top.
        No way, imo.

        £30M in Lerner’s sky rocket, you watch.

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          Andrew May 29, 2015 at 12:23 am .

          Disagree, I think with the books being far better and the possibility of still getting rid of deadwood, we’ll see more than 30m spent.

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    jvillan May 29, 2015 at 12:09 am .

    we can guess what we like but under lerners time at villa the fans are last to know,
    does anyone think that sherwood took the villa job without knowing transfer kitty for summer sale or no sale,just cause a buyout clause doesn t mean we have to sell benteke,
    and as some remarked earlier lerner is a curse on sports club run them in to ground villa should be a good deal for buyer one big club in city of what 4 million under mon we regularly got 40 thousand our average is down 5/6 thousand by 19 ,only live 11 matches down from about 20 more money lost ,lerner can make accounts look what ever he wants he bought from deadly for a song 60 odd million and instead getting football wisemen into run put in clowns

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      Badger123 May 29, 2015 at 12:16 am .

      JVillan,
      For clarity, if there is a buyout clause and the price is met, we do have to sell, as we’ll be in breach of contract if we refuse to let him go.
      If that were to happen, his contract would be declared void and he’d walk for nothing.

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    jvillan May 29, 2015 at 12:23 am .

    badger
    aresnal met suarez buyout clause

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      Badger123 May 29, 2015 at 1:10 am .

      But Pool must have already had another offer matching the buyout price on the table.
      Or at least received one shortly afterwards (it’s not obligatory to sell the second a club offers enough, (probably “reasonable period of time” or similar)).

      If a club meets the buyout price, they’re obliged to sell.
      But if more than one club meets the price, the club can decide who they sell to.

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