As we all know Saturdays game was a big low for all AVFC supporters.The atmosphere in the ground was shocking and AVFC supporters should hang your heads in shame as you did not support your club in the first half.
As I sat in my seat in the North all I could hear was Geordies.All game from start to finish singing their hearts out for their team.They put us to shame.The Holte end was silent untill we scored this is not good enough is it.
I left the ground with my voice nearly gone trying to start songs as I heard nothing from the Holte or anywhere else for that matter.The players needed a lift some tired from international duty,some just having a poor game,some left wanting from Lamberts set up IE full backs not having enough protection.
We as supporters did not support properly but Lambert still defended us how and why I don’t know.I think we need to take a leaf out of the Geordies book and sing your hearts out for the lads from start to finish…..
I hear alot of fans saying we needed something to sing about which is utter nonsense you are in the ground to support so support.
Now here’s my other point I think Lambert needs to change up the formation to give the full backs some much needed protection.Both Luna and Lowton looked like fish out of water when it came to handling quick wingers/forwards lacking the knowledge to defend IMPO.
Its no good having a full back who can attack and not defend as concede you will.So Lambert has to change his formation to protect the full backs as they learn how to defend better.
I think it is much to early to judge Lambert this season but I think he needs to change the home set up.We need to look to boss the game at home,attack and not counter and actually look like the home side.You can’t let teams play football and not close them down properly as they will break you down and eventually score.This was evident against Liverpool and now was evident against Newcastle.
Lambert has to change his home philosophy or we will struggle I fear.I normally try to find positives and think if I can notice what is wrong so can other supporters and so can Lambert to.
It isn’t rocket science support your club start to finish as the lads need the vocal support to make their hairs on the back of their necks stand up with pride.This gives them confidence which will then be transferred onto the pitch.We all have to chip in Lambert included we all love the VILLA heart and soul actions speak louder than words…..UTV
Right, I agree with some of your points..what I disagree with, although I know it is the case for some, is the fanaticism with which you speak of supporting the club. For MANY nowadays, going to games is less a way of life and more a treat or surprise based on financials and travelling. This is the case for me. When I go to a football match nowadays, I wished to be entertained. You ask ANY CEO/FD of a football club at the top, and they will tell you, “Football is a business, and the business is entertainment”. That’s the long and short of it.
People go to football matches, let’s face it, mostly, to watch something enjoyable and for the banter of the crowd.
I 100% do not condone booing, especially after only a few games of the season. However, I also don’t subscribe to the view that Villa fans should be cheering regardless of how badly the players are playing etc.
People need to realise, this is no longer a “game”. These are professionals within their workplace, and performance is everything (as with any job). Performance is an expectation and a minimum, not a luxury.
For me; I wish to be entertained.
Now, in terms of our progression, I believe we have made some moves forward. Perhaps the wisdom of us Villa fans leave something to be desired however. We pushed for our youth to be given the chance, and we scraped through with some highlights, but mostly poor performance and naivety last year. Now, we’d expect that we would kick on…but what is kicking on for us?
For me, anywhere from 14th to 8th would be considered progression. It’s early days guys….defensively we need to improve, and as much as KEA has composure on the ball, he has no pace and lacklustre aggression….for me, we need to have Westwood, Delph and Sylla in there…a mix of creativity (Westwood), Ball winning mentality (Sylla) and the most important part, transition (Delph). Delph, for me, is key….he is the ONLY midfielder we have had in the last 5 years or so that can transition successfull from Defence into Attack. If his consistency improves, he’ll be key.
Defence does need work and so does the midfeild good points but still think we are at VP to support we are supporters…UTV
Delph also gets back to collect the ball and give the defence a channel out instead of the long ball, something Sylla does well.
You know, towards the end of the match I think we lost pretty much all the (small amount of) creativity because Delph and Gabby were knackered from running around everywhere.
You’re right though JD about the noise levels, it only really kicked off when the team came out after half time and had a go at it. I did wonder if it would be like the Liverpool game but it didn’t work out in the end. How to break it though and get everyone making noise? This might sound naff but get some song sheets on the seats, or even try to work out one at the start like the Hammers bubbles. Obviously not as cheesy.
I’m not pro Geordie by any means as I’m VTID but those travelling Newcastle fans out sang 40000 and singing to us”your support is full of elfin shit….Supporters need to try harder as we all love the VILLA in the same way….When everyone sings its fantastic example Swansea last season Bentekes first game 2-0.
That’s usually the case nowadays away supporters usually show up the home support. Look at us when we are away we hammer the home fans with our singing etc
Has to change mate Lambert and the lads need home support
I was in the Upper Holte (K6) but 2 rows up…. K4 sang quite a bit. But all around me and the rest of the ground were silent. I felt uncomfortable, and a bit pissed off when after only 3 minutes some guy sat a couple of seats away started yapping on, Lamberts this, so and so’s that…. for the rest of the game. The boos at H/T were a disgrace too…!!!
True, we were terrible for a majority of the game but having to listen to idiots like that (he wasn’t the only one) make me just want to travel to away games with the crazy bunch, enjoy the day and leave VP alone.
I was in the North R4 and this idiot was doing the same about Lambert.So this older guy stood up and said just support your team and he was right.They nearly came to blows…We did try a few songs in the North but no1 wanted to join in and your right it was uncomfortable..Easily fixed and here it is…SING YOUR HEARTS OUT FOR THE LADS…supporting your team is what you go for ….UTV
Rumours floating about that Okore was seriously injured and needs an operation….
Ffs our best ch as well typical
If true he was bought with it, that tackle looked like nothing to me, we could have been sent down the river without a paddle, that will be a bad blow to us J D.
Might just be a rumour mate maybe Hes just having a precautionary scan….He was at BMH standing for the photo shoot app today UTV
alk about a Red Herring, a post put up in an attempt to take our eye off the ball and take the heat off Lerner and Lambert and their inadequacies of by blaming the fans for Villa’s short comings?
OK fair enough it’s all our fault, we didn’t sing loud enough.
Whatever.
(Talk)
No BWS I was at the Newcastle game in the North.I didn’t hear a peep out of the Holte till we scored.3000 Geordies out sang 40000 all game ask any supporter who was there they will tell you.As I’ve put Lamberts formation has been left wanting as no protection for the full backs who struggle to defend.As for loud enough we didn’t sing hardly at all.As for Lerner he has spent 100s of thousands at AVFC so he does look after the club.
Jay Dee I was there and as for Lerner he’s put jack into the club he’s loaned it, payed back with interest + management charges to his holding company Reform Acquisitions LLC.
Well he isn’t going to give 100 s of thousands away is he?That would be silly
Season ticket holders have been stumping up a minimum of £370 season after season and been subjected to this dross and I bet their contribution to AVFC is considerably larger proportion of their personal wealth than Lerner’s ploughed in (or rather loaned in) of his.
You pay to watch mate
And what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
That’s a tired and bullshit argument that’s wearing just a little thin, you a Lerner fan or a Villa fan? Do you want what’s best for AVFC or Randolph Lerners personal wealth?
Lerner bought a EPL football club, did he think he was going to make money out of it? That’s like buying a Ferrari and then moaning the insurance is too dear and it’s a bit heavy on the juice.
BWS … Lerner bought a Ferrari which he thinks he can run on red diesel and have George Michael as his professional driver….
I was at the game in the Doug Ellis as thought the fans were great in the second half in particular. There has been a realisiation though that the team is not nearly as good as some people were saying after the Arsenal match. Our Midfield (Delph being an exception) and defence are really really poor and look like a bunch of low cost limited players which in effect is what they are. I think we will stay up again but lets not pretend we are anything more that a bottom half team, and when Benteke goes relegation will be a near certainty.
We did look out of our depth in midfield and LB and RB positions.Creatively poor in the Liverpool and Newcastle games respectively.If we can’t take 3 points from a Newcastle team that arnt that great what does the season hold for us especially at home.
I get the arguments about Lerner but what can we do about it? Until some uber billionaire takes an interest and is in it to win the league then this is what we have to put up with…..
So i suggest instead of moaning about it, we do the one thing we can and support the side we do have.
I have more criticism with Lamberts formation and selection than I do Lerners non spending.
What Helenius says. Lambert would have to be both blind and deaf to not see the performance on Saturday and our (the crowd’s) reaction. If it doesn’t improve by Christmas then I’m sure we’ll all be a lot more vocal about it and seat sales will be down so everyone at the club will be paying attention. Look what happened to McLeish. Lambert needs the club to be successful for whatever end he has in plan (sell up or make good money from the club) but he first has to make it sustainable.
As Lord Hesketh once said, if you want to “make a small fortune from motor racing then star with a big one”. I have a feeling Lerner has already found out this the hard way.
The fans have been incredibly patient with Lambert tbh. His home record is very poor to say the least, 5 home league home wins out of 21 is simply unacceptable and the predictable “we go again” routine is already starting this season. The atmosphere isn’t great at VP but what exactly have the fans got to be excited about. Another relegation battle and watching our best player by more than a country mile Benteke leaving.
Personally, I just don’t think Lambert’s going to achieve anything at AVFC. I understand the constraints aren’t easy to work under and Lerner still has a hell of a lot to answer for, not that we will ever hear anything from him.
Our tactics are so predictable, and the lack of width is a massive problem and leaves the 2 centre backs exposed as the full backs come forward. The signing of Kozak was bizarre at a time we are crying out for a playmaker in midfield. I get the feeling at times Lambert panics and just throws strikers on, like he did against Bradford, which never results in anything as the whole team loses shape.
Then there’s the defence, no league clean sheet since 08/12/12. A staggering statistic and one that emphasises a clear lack of progression in that department. My conclusion is that Lambert never has been and never will be able to organise a defence. More bad times ahead I feel, though Benteke will save us again this season IMO, unless he decides to go in Jan. Then we’re screwed.
Good points mate about more or less the whole debacle but we are there to support our club through thick and thin mate no excuses.If Lambert or certain players are having a bad day we the 12th man are supposed to chip in.I ask you did we have much of a 12th man Saturday ?
People are losing patience though. Bad days happen, we all know that but the bigger picture cannot be ignored regarding the defence and tactical issues that have cropped up time and time again. Its a tough one, I don’t like to see booing during a game but I can sense the frustration. People are investing a sizeable sum of their disposable income into AVFC and they expect better, When you see performances like the Newcastle one it can feel like your money is going down the drain. This prolonged spell of struggling is taking its toll, the club needs a lift but the fans can’t do it on their own. Lambert, Lerner and the players have to give us something, so far they have not delivered on that.
Mate I have to agree with your points all valid.Frustration definitely evident two blokes nearly came to blows offering each other out in the North by me.One was moaning about Lambert other was saying support em though.The tactics can be questionable at times managers get it wrong.Our defence looks weak full backs not defending well and are exposed because we have no RM or LM protection.As for 4-3-3 I do like that formation at home but if our full backs can’t defend well maybe we need a different formation.
The money spending is an issue to supporters do expect better agreed but we are at VP before and after Lambert UTV
Are you a season ticket holder JD?
No I go when I can mate I work and money isn’t always available go to as mant home games as I can with my lad..
Fair enough, dear game taking the kids down.
Its a two way street. Fans need to see something to get excited about. If we just lump long balls up to Benteke at home and constantly lose the ball then its no suprise the fans get frustrated and dont get behind the team.
Sorry pal 12th man says so at Villa Park
Grow the fuck up.
So when an 11 year old says why isn’t the Holte singing I’m immature
You talk like you shouldn’t be supporting cause you got a moany arse on with Lambert and Lerner
JD I don’t mean to have a pop at you and yes I have got one right on me after Saturdays debacle, 4 years of going backwards and no sign of improvement. Lerner’s the one to blame (imo), Lambert’s simply patsy as was McClown before him. Anyone would struggle to survive in this league let alone flourish whist working under the financial constants demanded and imposed by Lerner, come back Deadly all is forgiven.
We’re in transition thou lol
BWS whatever our point of view about Lambert n Lerner positive or negative I do agree on a change is needed at home.UTV
During pre-season, Villa fans on Twitter seemed upbeat about the new signings. Tonev, although likes a shot looked exciting, Helenius looked decent with the ball and can finish, Okore’s a real talent, we didn’t know much about Luna but were upbeat that he surely couldn’t be worse than Bennett and Bacuna, well, maybe more of a 2nd R/side full back than a centre midfielder.
Then we signed Kozak, twitter was going mad with positives “He was UEFA Cup top scorer” blah blah blah.
My point is other than knowing we needed a playmaker, the general feeling around was positive, but only 4 games in we have booing at VP which is shocking. We played well in 2.5 of them.
Its negative to the players and its not their fault they’re getting picked, rightly or wrongly.
Anyways, just purchased tickets for next weeks Cup game. Carrow Road Saturday first though….Cannot wait.
Fair play mate hope the games are good ones for you.
Lol, at least give Bacuna another chance before you keep claiming he’s not good enough. But you’re right, Villa played well for 2.5 games, however that’s no longer good enough, results is what Villa need and Villa aren’t getting them. We should have had points from Chelsea and Liverpool and didn’t get them. At the time fans weren’t all that worried because most thought results would come against the lesser teams, then Villa get ran over by Newcastle, the likes of Tonev, Helenius, Bacuna still aren’t played even though they’re by and large match fit to play 90 minutes. So there’s little to be excited about when we can out play the big clubs and lose, and then utterly fail against a poor Newcastle team that has Ben Arfa who can destroy any fullback in the league, yet we don’t have one.
BWS I think frustration is growing around VP even only a few games in no bother mate we can debate as we choose still Villa Family UTV I think Lambert and Lerner have now got their work cut out to improve our situation at home UTV BWS
The fans are quiet at the moment because we are sick to the back teeth of watching abject shite week after week. there was a realisation from fans at the toon match that we are total crap and hopes of a better season are pie in the sky.
We cant expect these players to compete in the premiership when they come.up against top quality players every week they just aren’t good enough. It says everything about Lerner’s Villa that most fans would be estatic with a midtable finish which shows how far we have fallen and how expectations faded. The reason the atmosphere is
So poor is because Lerner has destroyed all hope of a bright future with dismal running of Aston Villa football club. Villa park will be buzzing again the day hr sells up.
It was very quiet in the holte on Saturday particularly in the 1st half and tbf with good reason but the booing at HT was unacceptable, who is tha5 going to help, the FT boos more understandable people were just frustrated and disappointed and tbf the atmosphere and noise picked up the start of the 2nd because the team fed us and we in turn fed the team and we could feel the equalizer coming and come it did but then we went and blew it, lowton was very poor but he and Luna wete left totally ecposef time again. personally i believe the attics and formation are at fault here, lambert has started the season ad he did the last with this 4-3-3/3-4-3 thing which works well on the counter away but not at home. hopefully we will sort it sooner than we did last season.
I’ve got to say though the almost seemingly bi polar nature of some supporters would be laughable if it werent so sad and some of the joyful gloating of some and scornful insults towatd anyone trying at least to give the result some perspective is shocking.
we were all disapointed and pissed off on Saturday and the performace was shite but fer fucks sake villans get a grip.
NEXT!
let’s hope for better next weekend eh?
chin up Villans UTV
The glee in some of our regular posters efforts after a truly disappointing effort on Saturday is no surprise at all, not if you’ve been looking on here for a season or three.
We’re going down, all is doomed and Lerner and Lambert out is never far from the surface.
To suggest that we want Ellis back is ridiculous, the club is far better run these days, just other clubs have established themselves with a far more powerful financial base (wholly artificially in most cases).
We haven’t changed that much, the marketing is slicker, the PR is better, the team is still never quite good enough and the managers not up to the task in hand.
We were the same under BFR, Tayls II, Little and Gregory. What was missing then, was the half dozen clubs with oodles more cash, so we were flattered a little with our league standing.
I don’t think that we’re as bad a team as Saturday suggested, whilst I was patently aware that we were not title contenders after the Arsenal result.
Okore was a huge loss, but to suggest that he had the injury, we’re idiots for buying him, Chelsea knew he was carrying the knock etc sums a certain poster up. A poor man’s Ian Robo. Psychic abilities are not part of a medical examination. He’s not been out for any significant period with an injury before, Oohah must have better equipment than Bones on Star Trek to have this knowledge !
And BWS, don’t bother covering up personal insults with being aggrieved at the result, your water off a duck’s back to me bloke lol !!!
Oh Vaze I’m cut to the quick, hrrm one problem only one person I had a little dig at yesterday and that couldn’t have possible been you because you didn’t post yesterday, or did you?
So what’s the truth? Is it Mr Home & away, on Gardening Leave (suspended?sacked?) soon to start my own business, play footy with the lads or is it oh poor little me can only afford the occasional games due to work and financial reasons?
Will the real Slim Vazey please stand up?
(keep taking the Antipsychotics).
Brilliant.
I seem to have got under your skin. Don’t let the inadequacies of your own life wish you to pour scorn on others. Even Oohah keeps it to football.
If I see you at a game we’ll find out, I drink in the Yew Tree, I’m the one in a suit and the glass of Pimm’s remember lol !
As for the digs, you were lashing out at some youngsters I think, you blamed it on being upset. I don’t think he was in your clique more like.
Thanks to both of you.
Season ticket and most aways.
Yes, I do play football, and have managed a side (adult, and male, I’ll beat you to it) to a league title at a decent level.
Just finishing work 30/9, redundancy payout and starting own business 1/10. Sacked and suspended if you wish to make your life happier.
Bye for now, bye for now, and, bye for now. Oh, and up the Villa. Thought that’s what this site was about.
You started it!
UTV to you too Mr Vaze and (seeing as you are a fellow Villian) good luck in your business venture.
Hi vaze so exactly how are we better than under Ellis. Even dol got 6th spending little money ffs
DOL inherited a reasonable team built by Little and added to by Gregory.
We did finish 6th in a season of over performance. Don’t forget that Everton, Spurs and Citeh were bottom third sides then, that’s changed.
The club is immeasurably better in all aspects but on the pitch, the team doesn’t look anywhere near as good as it did at times. Just hope we don’t get relegated, I doubt we will.
Yes but you can only finish above the teams that were around at that time. Dol certainly got the best out of angel as well
oh is that the latest is it vaze? okore is crocked for the rest of the season(practically) and that is lamberts fault too? jeez, its just pure bad luck is all, we are im sure all gutted for us and for the lad who looks really promising, its just one of those things, if certain people thought he was a sick note then why wasnt it bought up on here before?
i was on saturday gutted about the result, disapointed in a very poor performance and pretty pissed off and it has opened up a pile of concerns about the state of the team and lambert and i said as much on saturday despite some people thinking im some sort of lambert happy clapper blind to our problems which if anyone has know me on here that is just not true.
terrys article ‘writing on the wall’ is so knee jerk and ott and considering he himself was gushing with positivity after the arsenal game shows a child like response to loosing a game. im used to that with terry but it has surpirised me the venom and sheer ott ness of some posters on here who i thought would be able to keep some perspective.
if we go on in the same manner for the next 2 or three gamesthen fair enough, saturdays performance was the worst ive seen from villa since the bradford game, i thought we’d moved on from there and the reemrgence of lambert throwing strikers on and loosing formation is very concerning but for people to go from saying we might finish top ten and being in general positive to ‘Lamberk out! Learner out!’ after one(admittedly unacceptable shite performance)is laughable.
Of all the sites about, this truly is the ‘abandon all hope of supporting Aston Villa those who enter here’ lol !
Been like that for a while, it’s entertaining. You just know that most of the people on here wouldn’t be able to back up their bollocks posts if you see them in the pub or on the train.
How many on here actually remind you of someone you go with or know at the ground, they’re mostly the bloke who shouts that Benteke is crap and should have gone just as we take a corner that he scores from.
Which Vaze is on here today Reggie or Ronnie?
Isnt it just so so sad that we dont go to any teams in the top 6 and think we may get a result, we now just hope we dont get a stuffing, and are not embarrassed, our expectations as fans I think has been hammered over the last few years…. And who can we blame for this, you cant run Harrods like Poundland Mr Lerner.
Gareth Barry told his representatives to sound out the Villa for a possible loan move and we
After the players we have shipped out we cant keep be given the same excuse as wages and transition. We are now once place off the relegation zone and lost the last 3 games, no clean sheet again and people are saying let wait til Christmas….. Which Christmas as we have been saying the same thing for 4 years.
Look at the table for last season, its like groundhog day and as for knee jerk reactions ‘Breaking News’ we’ve played 4 lost 3 won 1 scored 5 conceded 6. If we draw a Norwich and get hammered at Man C the table will be a carbon copy of last season.
DEJA VU
But lets wait until Christmas to judge, then it will be “lets see after the January window shuts”, then lets see if we stay up”, it happens every season and one day we just wont survive.
Our weaknesses last season have seen little in the transfer market to address, now Okore is injured Lambert may put a cheeky offer for Crouch in January !
Spot on Saddened. We always seem to be waiting for a turning point that never happens.
Whilst that is going on, we’re seeing the likes of Southampton, Swansea and West Ham over take us and Cardiff will be next. Sad times to be a Villa fan.
What I mean by knee jerk bws is that prior to the game despite the results people on this site Were for the most part full of optimism for the season. its a total about turn for many, there is no perspective or objectivity going on at all 🙁
NM yes there as been a lot of knee jerk reaction to the Newcastle game (I’m guilty myself) but there’s another 34 games to go and as Guest said this seasons going to be a roller coaster.
On saying that I think Lambert will have them right up for Norwich after Saturdays shower.
UTV.
One thing I’ve noticed is that when the team’s playing poorly, that’s when fans quite often start to turn on each other and things start to get personal.
Let’s not go down that road lads and just keep the arguments to footy eh?
Whatever, it seems to me that whatever our views, we mostly tend to agree that we still have major issues that haven’t been addressed.
That has to be a concern.
That sort of things bang out of order Badger.