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    badger123 September 30, 2015 at 10:35 am .

    Okore will be a slow thing, but he’ll be ready for the tough times that are the winter.
    Gabby, well, the slower the better, for me.

    Gardner’s the interesting one.
    I had such high hopes for him, but suspect he’s finished.
    Not because I want him to be.
    It’s more that he’s one of those players that is just destined to never reach his true potential, imo.

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      OohAhPaulMcGrath September 30, 2015 at 3:03 pm .

      Agree badger forgot all about Gardner tbh

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    Hitchens 60 September 30, 2015 at 4:31 pm .

    Another one from the academy!

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      OohAhPaulMcGrath September 30, 2015 at 7:19 pm .

      None of our academy really make it to be honest. Even Grealish is a bit lightweight and the only one that was any good Cahill Mon flogged him so he could play Zat Shite!! You couldnt make it up!

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        Andrew September 30, 2015 at 7:36 pm .

        Grealish just turned 20 and has been impressive so far. Would say Clark’s made it, no? Being at Villa since he was 11 after all. Should be captain as well.

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          OohAhPaulMcGrath September 30, 2015 at 10:36 pm .

          Clarke is hit and miss he will ever be more than an average def at best

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            Andrew October 1, 2015 at 1:13 am .

            He’s a solid Premier League CB and that’s basically what we’re going to get. Currently our best one, if that says anything, probably doesn’t. But a definite hit compared to what most clubs get from their youth.

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              OohAhPaulMcGrath October 1, 2015 at 2:21 am .

              I guess but not in the same league as Stones. Yet again Only a matter of time before he goes to Chelski

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            Andrew October 1, 2015 at 2:44 am .

            Stones has only been at Everton for 2 years though, so they didn’t produce him, Barnsley did. Everton helped him grow obviously. We produced Clark, have developed him for 15 years. Big difference. But no, he’s no Stones, but a quality CB like Clark that we didn’t have to buy/replace goes a long way.

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    Andrew September 30, 2015 at 7:48 pm .

    Some interesting news. Richardson, Cole, Senderos and N’Zogbia could all go on loan to the Championship, while we’ve sent scouts to watch Fiorentina’s Badelj, Also scouted Oğuzhan Özyakup and Gökhan Töre

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    Ardent Villain September 30, 2015 at 7:51 pm .

    Can anyone enlighten me as to why Gardner has been touted as this ‘great prospect’ for the last few years?

    That’s a straight question by the way – I’ve never wathched him at youth level and haven’t ever really noticed him during his rare ‘senior’ appearences anywhere.

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      OohAhPaulMcGrath September 30, 2015 at 10:37 pm .

      I wondered that myself people raving as if he’s the new Messi lol

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    Andrew September 30, 2015 at 9:46 pm .

    Gardner has that attacking mid threat that we haven’t had in years and years. Plus people hate Craig Gardner for leaving/being a Blues fan so they want Gary to be better.

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      OohAhPaulMcGrath September 30, 2015 at 10:38 pm .

      Remember the Moore brothers world class in reserves we all thought they’d do well especially the younger one. Yet again Mon hardly did anything to help the cause tbh

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        Ardent Villain September 30, 2015 at 11:10 pm .

        Oohah – yes, I well remember the Moore brothers.
        They were going to set the premier league alight as soon as they got a run in the first team…

        There alyways seem to be some real stand-out players in almost any youth team, but they rarely make any kind of sustained impact once they hit their 20’s

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          OohAhPaulMcGrath October 1, 2015 at 2:11 am .

          Do true Ardent. I remember watching them destroy Everton in youth cup where a certain wayne Rooney was playing even though we won over 2 legs you could see a mile away Rooney was different class.

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      Ardent Villain September 30, 2015 at 10:55 pm .

      Thanks Andrew, but what has he done to show whether he’s really a good prospect, let alone some of the more extreme hopes that have been pinned on him over the last coule of years?

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    Hitchens 60 September 30, 2015 at 11:15 pm .

    Maybe the reality is that we as supporters are clinging onto the hope that we will find the next Beckham (Messi and Ronaldo being unlikely 🙂 ) who will single handed drag us from the obscurity we have suffered for so many years – notwithstanding a couple of MON years when we finished sixth.

    Of course reality is completely different and our academy is no better than any other and may possibly be worse than our closest competitors!

    Arguably one of the best to come from the academy in recent years is Cahill and what did MON do ……………

    I sometimes wonder why I continue to support Villa but then there is no other team whatever happens. VTID

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      Ardent Villain September 30, 2015 at 11:39 pm .

      Whenever I look at any England squad [at any time since – say- the mid 90’s] the lack of real quality is very noticeable, and suggests that none of the academies run by the PL clubs have been much use in producing more than a couple of ‘good’ players in any generation.

      If those academies had been productive, we wouldn’t be seeing the huge number of foreign players being bought during each transfer window, and England would have three or four decent players competing for each place in the national team.

      In reality, England now seem to be a bit like Scotland or Wales were back in the 70’s and 80’s: one or two key very good players in a largely mediocre squad, and panic whenever they need to find any replacements for injuries or out-of-form ‘stars’.

      In that sense, I don’t think Villa’s academy is much different to the others – pretty poor return for the amounts that are said to have been spent on all of these kids.

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        OohAhPaulMcGrath October 1, 2015 at 2:20 am .

        True but there have been some good ones come through look at Berkeky and Stones for Everton, Walcott, Cahill, Sterling, Sturridge so not impossible but teams like Chelski especially are only interested in the finished product. Exactly how many youth players has mourinho ever developed and bought thru the ranks. Nil that’s how many says it all.

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      OohAhPaulMcGrath October 1, 2015 at 2:16 am .

      Less said about MON and him selling Cahill the better. Problem is if in the unlikely event we produced the next Messi or Rooney etc we never hang on to them anyway. As soon as city etc come knocking that’s it so the whole youth thing is pointless. Look at West Ham classic example Rio, Tevez, Mascharino, Lampard, Cole, Parker, Redknapp etc imagine if they had kept that nucleus together they would of had a golden generation like Utd. Instead they just sold them took the money and run. Exactly what we would do. Bear in mind Lerner has only let us have a nett £5m spend this season.

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        Hitchens 60 October 1, 2015 at 6:56 am .

        But we’re a bigger club than West Ham 🙂

        Can’t argue with what you say OoHAh

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          OohAhPaulMcGrath October 1, 2015 at 8:54 pm .


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