Hull City v Aston Villa by dm_52509f10ef1d3
I actually thought this was an interesting game in the first half.
The two counter-attacking teams were pretty evenly matched and Hull actually sat back even more than we do at home.
Gabby had the best chance with a shot down the middle that stung the goalie’s hands, but that apart there was little to talk about.
Second half, I thought Bruce brought them out to attack us more, which I thought might play into our hands, but the truth is we lacked any cutting edge, the same as Hull did.
The game then retreated to a situation where both sides looked like they would be happy with a point, which is basically what we got.
Tedious probably sums it up and I really don’t know what else to say.
A couple of points.
Hull are extremely poor and are one of my faves to go down (what does that say about us?).
Kuzak? Sorry, I just don’t see it. Far too lightweight for a tall Prem striker, but early days.
Weimann? No comment.
Foul throws? Three this season and two in this game alone. That’s so bloody basic, each offence should be a week’s wages fine. I learned this at the age of seven and if Prem players don’t know this one, well I don’t know what to say.
I have to say, I thought the defence did everything expected of them, but that’s not really saying a lot, as Hull looked as toothless as us.
How we missed Benteke today.
The point is, this should have been three points in the bag, as Hull are really poor.
Ah well, the Villa all over, I guess.
As you may have gathered, I’m not a happy bunny today.
Big plus point; The Villa fans sounded immense on the telly.
Well done lads.
Ooh ah your probably basing your assumption that kozak won’t use his left foot because of the norwich where he didn’t use his left but ended up scoring anyway! Totally ridiculous to say he will never shoot with his left from the ONE chance he had! He helped in the win against man c and helped us beat norwich so that’s 6 points he has got us already, i would say not a bad start so if he still needs time he will obviously be far better, benteke will always be a reason your opinion on players will mean nothing…the new heskey hahahaha
He had a couple of half chances yesterday and because he tried to shift it onto his right he lost the opportunity. This guy has no left foot whatsoever and wind even have a go with it. He is the new heskey!! 🙂
I hope so, 9 goals in his last 23 games Heskey has, despite playing in Australia. If Kozak could even score 5 in his first 23 games, that’s not a bad start for him.
9 in 23 isn’t great given that it’s Oz, imo.
And 5 in 23 for Kozak?
That’s crap for a striker mate, not even one in four??????
Eh, but as said, he’s going back as a sub, so that’s hardly crap if he’s not playing 90 minutes every game. Going back on last season that’s better than Bent, Bowery and Dawkins put together. That’s better than our entire midfield last season put together. Our obvious goal scorers are Weimann, Gabby and Benteke and that would be a total of 2 goals off Weimann for the entire season last season. I do think he can and will do better than that, but 5 in 23 isn’t that bad for one that just came in and is still progression as our 2nd highest striker goal scorer last season was 3 from Bent in 16 games, 8 being starts and he’s a player a lot are claiming shouldn’t have been loaned out.
So in total he’d get around 8 goals in total, which isn’t too bad. Gabby hasn’t even scored yet this season in the league, and Weimann has 1.
Yep one goal every 4.5 matches is just what we need…not!
Why not? Give me a sub striker who can score 8 goals, while Benteke, Gabby and Weimann score what they did last season, and that’s 1 less than our entire midfield and back up strikers did last season. This isn’t including an upgrade in goals from Ahmadi and Delph I’d expect if Sylla started, maybe a couple more from Clark, Bacuna, Vlaar and Luna. Add in Helenius and Tonev each getting a couple and such. Imagine, just imagine if Bent scored 5 more goals in the games he played for us last season. Just 5 more. We wouldn’t have been in 15th at the end of the season, but probably closer to 12th or even higher as we were 8 points off 8th and would you not have been more relieved? Surely I know I would have as would most fans. But no, Bent scored 3 goals in 16 games, Might I add that’s worse than a goal every 4.5 games.
10 points from 7 games is not a bad start if we can keep this up 40 points from 28 games UTV
Well put, and 4th place only has 14 points and we’re only 6 points off 1st, while we’re not getting either, we’re not far off the mark and after Spurs and Everton, we’ve faced just about every “big” team but United. And that’s after 9 games so it’s a brilliant start. Then we go into your West Ham’s, Cardiff’s, West Bromich, Sunderland, Southampton and Fulham before the game against United. Although I’d prefer to play United soon, as they’re terrible at the moment, but quite confident with Benteke back soon that we can really have a go at them other than maybe Southampton who are just so good at the moment.
We have played some tough games and ground out a clean sheet at an inform Hull team at their ground.We had bad luck at Chelsea and we have beaten Arsenal,Norwich away and beat Citeh at home.Losing to Liverpool and Newcastle in the fashion we did first halves was our low points….But this is a young team in a big division still finding their feet massive start but still think on a good day would of beaten Hull to UTV
I do agree with that, Villa missed a solid finisher against Hull, but then these things happen. Think we should start looking to loan out the likes of Stieber and Siegrist, even to other League’s better clubs who could even play in Europe. It’s doing wonders for City’s Non-English youth.
Saints are doing excellent at the moment well ahead of us and spent more money to Ffs. WBA will be hard and west h just beat spurs away 3,0, Sunderland unlucky not to get at least a point v utd so don’t assume we will get many points of these sides as I think they are all better than us except Sunderland
West Bromich are doing very well, don’t get me wrong, however that doesn’t mean they’re not their defensively for the taking. Arsenal created a few good chances that Benteke would have put away. United are just pish and now West Bromich’s form has been stopped because of International break.
Southampton are clearly better than us, but then their biggest signing, Osvaldo, doesn’t like the EPL, has even come out and claimed that he wants to leave already. But their Manager’s arguably the one of, if not the best in the league right now, probably behind Wenger of course but is doing very well.
The rest of those sides aren’t better than Villa in any way, shape or form. West Ham had a good game against Spurs, Spurs were terrible in the 2nd half, but that in no way means they’re better than us. The scored 4 goals in 6 games before today. Cardiff are far from good, Fulham are sitting 17th, I don’t think Bent can play against us and that’s their major weapon gone.
We’re better than all of those sides but Southampton.
Utd are pish!! Trust me with Rooney Rvp they will still finish miles ahead of us this year. Southampton took a game last year exactly what we should of done gone for a forward thinking manager like they’ve done instead of lamberk. WBA will finish above us so will west ham remember they have a shrewd manager in big Sam
No shit they’re going to finish above us… However no one is afraid of United, watch their games this season, they tend to get out played just about every single one but their only star player, Rooney at this very moment is their bail out. But that has to do with RVP being injured.
West Bromich are going to finish above us… Why? Yeah they beat United and drew Arsenal, but they also went their first 3 games without a goal and their first goal came in I believe stoppage time in the 4th to draw. They’ve shown little to figure they’ll finish above us.
Yes, Big Sam is a shrewd manager, but again other than beating Spurs, they’ve done nothing of sort to show they’ll finish above us. Hell even with our start those 2 teams are both below us. Claiming teams will finish above us just be negative and not actually backing your points as per usual looks stupid.
We shall see
And apparently 54 points at the end of the season JD.
Not too shabby, but hardly exciting either.
About our level, I’d say.
Boring!
54 points last season puts us 8th, and I believe it could be even higher than that this season with even the quality of the big teams not showing. With this team, that’s far from boring.
And that would be quite the progression, no?
8th isn’t bad, I suppose, but it panders to the likes of Ooah, who says we’re just treading water.
If we get that 8th, will we be able to move on?
I seriously doubt it, without a major injection of money.
That’s what the game has come down to.
It has come down to that, unfortunately. However I can see some good money being spent next summer, and more being spent on a couple players than having an a large amount of players coming in for cheap, more bigger money signings. Especially if we finish 8th. And the fact that only need a few positions filled with better players than a whole new team with back up will also be a huge help. I mean we could have had Wanyama for 1m before he went to Celtic, and I do believe Lambert could find someone as good as him for the amount of money Villa spent on Kozak (who I still find necessary for this season), then someone like Popov would come in for around 10m, maybe a CB and another striker if we lose Benteke. And we’d have a much better team than this season, we’d also have Okore back and probably only have lost Benteke and hopefully give Gardner a new contract. Although that does all depend on how much Villa spend next season but that’s still a long way off and there’s still links to buys in January which I still find possible.
The fact we won’t keep cb is a going to be a huge loss for us and just underlines our small club selling status
If we finished 8th a) we would never keep our best players to kick on and B) Lerner will spend fuck all. Lerner out
You’re making a claim that Lerner would spend fuck all, yet you have no idea if he’d be willing to spend. 8th place compared to 15th is nearly 5m more just from Premier League places alone for Villa and Lerner. 5m is a lot of money.
And who else would we sell? Bacuna? Maybe,,, Weimann signed a long term contract, Gabby’s never wanted to leave, Clark and Baker probably won’t leave. Luna might go back to Spain to a “bigger” team like Valencia or Atletico. But these players aren’t going to get picked off like you claim they will.
There is no way we will get over 50 point if we do it’s because league is weaker this year not because Wev improved
These are the typical garbage posts I’d expect. Of course the EPL’s weaker, but we’ve definitely improved. 8 goals in our first 7 games in the hardest start you’ll see in a while that Villa have conceded. Villa have a positive goal difference, despite it being a +1 from the hardest start in the league by far.
Spot on badger we are a boring mediocre team like hull going nowhere fast. Unless learner ever sells and can’t see that happening for years we will never do anything
We’re boring… Like Hull? Wow you never cease to amuse.
So u think we played exciting football on sat then !
Rome wasn’t built in a day and neither was 80-81-82-83 took time did the glory years Lamberts trying to build a team…UTV
I’m not so sure JD.
I could see the progression in the late 70’s.
I don’t see it now, as much as we all want it.
As per usual when I say something negative, I hope I’m wrong
54 points would be a massive progression imagine the season after pal UTV
Hmm, see my above reply to Andrew.
Mid table isn’t good enough for me, but that’s just my opinion
I think any of us would love to be back in Europe mate and I’m sure Lambert wants that to UTV
Mid-table is good enough after our last 2 seasons, and it would calm down so many fans if we had 40 points by the 28th game, no? Going into the last 10 without having to win 6-7 of them to stay up or even be calm and on the way we wouldn’t have to fully worry about being pulled into the relegation battle, meaning the players aren’t going to be so nervous by February that they can’t keep up. Imagine being able to be 8th, showing improvement after improvement, and only being worried about losing 1 player? Lerner sees massive improvement, willing to spend more money in hopes of a top 6 spot then, playing better football next season where we don’t only have to counter attack but bring in a few players that will dominate the games against Newcastle and Hull. This is all hypothetical of course at the moment as we are only 7 games in, but after our next 2 games, we have 5 winnable games and Southampton, depending on their form still.
Badger… if you take our top division finishes over history i think we sit about 9th.. so why isn’t mid table good enough for u.. we are hardly a top 3 team who have fallen are we!!??
Obv as a fan we all want high finishes and top four would be fantastic but we have to be realistic…
Because 9th place is not good enough for us. Just because Wev not finished in the top 4 didn’t mean that we shouldn’t. We are European cup winners Ffs. Look at Southampton they are 4th and they don’t normally finish high. Lerner should be ashamed of himself that clubs like Southampton and Swansea show more ambition than us. Lerner out
Swansea spent 1.2m Euros more than us, and most of that was on a striker we almost bought before we got Benteke. They haven’t showed more ambition.
Southampton went the buy expensive but buy few way. 40m spent on 3 players. 1’s claimed he doesn’t like the EPL, 1’s a very talented DM and 1’s a good CB. However, they’re also a team that sells, a lot. But you’re right, they don’t usually end high, but we’re 7 games in. They’ve also only played West Bromich away and won, Sunderland at home and drew, Norwich away and lost, West Ham United home and drew, Liverpool away and won, Crystal Palace home and won, Swansea home and won. The only 2 teams we’ve faced that they faced, were opposite results, we beat Norwich and lost to Liverpool. They haven’t faced any of the big boys yet bar Liverpool, we’ve faced all of them bar United, and about to be Spurs and Everton. So relax a little bit about them “showing ambition”.
They will still finish ahead of us I’d swap their team for ours in a heartbeat. And their manager to
True badger I remember those days when sir Ron came you just had a feeling it was going to happen and just a matter of time. Now I feel that in 10 years time we will be roughly where we are now. 17 years without a troohy isn’t good enough and Lerner please do one
Are you and vaze brothers. Ur another one that goes on about give them time be patient. Wev won nothing for 17 years Ffs longest iv ever know. Even the scum win a trophy
No arguing with that comment JD.
Europe, even if it’s the Europa league, means we’re still in the game.
As much as most of us don’t like it, the Europa gets your name highlighted more than if you’re not in it, fact.
Absolutely, it also adds money to the club, and players like playing in Europe. Spurs attracted so many top players being in the Europa League, of course they all thought they’d be joining a team challenging for the CL/title, but they’re still willing to leave other big clubs for that. Liverpool attracted talent and aren’t even in Europe. Plus Thursday’s would be more fun watching Villa play other clubs that few know about and seeing how they do. I still love watching the Europa League.
Andrew, I’m mulling over your points, but have to walk the mutt.
Just like Arnie, “I’ll be back” shortly
Europa league is shit we don’t need it and I hope we don’t get it period
I might not like the current format of the Europa League but its benefits to the club in terms of attracting and retaining players and increasing the clubs “visibility ” in Europe are clear. Plus, I would love to see us take on some different sides from across Europe.
Players like benteke only care about CL not Europa league
Europe would keep certain players at the club and attract others UTV
Europa aint so bad, Chelsea certainly didn’t look like they weren’t bothered when they won it, jonh terry even run off to get in his kit he was so excited!
if we finished 8th I think we’d see a significant investment from learner, or put it this way, id be very disappointed if we didn’t that would show the ‘treading water’ theory as spot on.
there’s going to be ups and downs again this season, highs(6-1 sunderland) lows(the games we shall not mention, you know the ones)but id see a top ten finish as significant progress.
Andrew, you’re wasting your time time with that clown Ooh ah.
He wants us to spend millions and we’re only worth watching if we’re in the title shake up.
Who knows, with a couple of dozen world class players and a ten point lead in the league, Ooh ah might even get a ticket lol !
Most of us know where we are, and wish Lambert success on building and improving sides.
Others have just become boring parodies of themselves with the ridiculousness of their posts. (We haven’t won anything for years, etc, etc.).
No shit.
Indeed, oohah strikes me as the kind of so called fan (I use the word fan in the loosest possible sense), who sits praying that we lose so he can come online and slag the club, chairman, players and manager off. Thats support for you right there!
I gather he described Benteke as Heskey mark 2 when he arrived, now Kozak is the same. The concept of time seems irrevelant to oohah.
And this constant Lerner do one, Lerner out, etc is pointless. It is HIS club. He can do what he wants. Its not as if there is a queue of people waiting to buy the club anyway.
We should at least have spent the same amount as Southampton and Swansea Ffs. But don’t worry vaze il give them time!!!
Southampton spent 40m Euros, Swansea spent 23m Euros, Villa spent 21.8m Euros. So we did spend around the same amount as Swansea…
Time will tell Andrew but i think we could have spent the money better this summer.. obv when you spend 1-3M in players its hard to get all bargains..
But i suppose it does seem that Bacuna and Okore will turn out to be bargains.. just such a shame that Okore has got such a long term injury.. he would have been a top player come start of next season…
We should be spending more than Swansea Ffs
But you just claimed we should have spent around the same amount… Villa did spend around the same amount. Now it’s we should be spending more.
Managed to watch the game last night. Not a great deal to comment on. What a load of dross, a worrying lack of invention up front, Kozak is still gonna need a few games to adjust to the pace, he’s still playing Serie A football at the moment. Gabby looked off the pace which is understandable but should have scored. Bad management on the part of Lambert for bringing Westy straight back in. Sylla should have kept his place. Defence looked nice and organized for once but wasn’t really a test for them to be honest.
Fair play to Hull, they did well at the back as well and I think they’ll stay up this year, Bruce has them playing well at home.
7 points from the last 9 is a good return, this was a game I was worried we would lose in the last 20 minutes after some dodgy defending but I was wrong thankfully.
Bring on Spurs,I reckon it will be a very different game now it’s the league, think the lads will be up for it.
Bloody international break, yawn, can’t wait to see the same old faces in an England shirt being picked on name alone regardless of form, corrupt it is.
Spot on mark internationals are shite. Players picked in reputation and which club they play for pathetic. Kojak is poor IMO he certainly needs to bulk up for the prem as well
fecking hell.. Oohahh making the same boring statements.. jumping from one point to another..
So bascially in Oohaah’s eyes.. its top four champions league otherwise its all boring and sh!t..
Join the other 80 plus odd chasing that dream.. even thou 80 into four doesn’t go…
Yep that’s correct look at Southampton Ffs