Harris and Blitzer? Or should it be Donner und Blitzen?

Ok, there’s nothing else to talk about with regards to the Villa, so I suppose we might as well go with the latest takeover rumour that has come from Neil Moxley at the Sunday People.
I’m quite surprised by this one to be honest, as Moxley is generally a decent reporter and his piece actually suggests that the American pair of billionaires have been having discussions for weeks.

How Moxley knows this, is beyond me, unless it’s been deliberately leaked to him; something that I can’t see having come from anyone on Villa’s side of the deal.
So the only other possibility is that it’s come from someone on the buying side’s party. Something that strikes me that Randy Lerner wouldn’t particularly like, as we all know he likes to do his business privately; something I actually really like about him.

So, to say I’m cynical about the whole thing is an understatement. But let’s go with it, eh?

Joshua Harris is apparently an ex wrestler with a very decent amount of poke behind him (around $2.7 billion), who went on to found an investment company, Apollo Global Management.
He has form, in having bought out an NBA and NHL franchise, for a combined $700 mill.

David Blitzer it seems, is more a pure money person, with a background in investments at the Blackstone group. I’m not seeing any sporting background on his part, other than he was involved with Harris, with at least one of the previous mentioned franchises.

Which is the part that makes all of this story a bit dubious to me.
Is buying a Premier league club a good investment?
I’d suggest not, especially with the money that’s involved these days.

I’ve seen arguments that we might be able to at least challenge for the top four with £75 million invested in the first team.
I’d suggest that’s total pie in the sky, myself, as we’d need quality, highly paid players all over the pitch, with expensive back-up sitting on their backsides on the bench.
And we all know what many think of that when MON tried it; a total waste of money, which has put the club in the position it’s in today.
It’s not specifically an opinion I agree with.
My opinion says that if you want to really challenge, you have to waste money in this way. It’s the way it is, as much as I dislike it.

So basically we need a fairy godmother, who’s willing to seriously splash the cash.
Which is why these American money people quite frankly scare me.
Randy Lerner was a bit of a one-off, in my opinion, in that he was born into money, so never really had to make it on his own. Hence, he was probably more willing to lose some money, knowing that he’d owned a Premier league club. More of a status thing, where the money was secondary, if you like.

I don’t see Harris and Blitzer having the same mindset at all.
And it could indeed be a case of Donner und Blitzen. Or loosely translated, Thunder and Lightning.

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  1. ifiruledtheworld
    ifiruledtheworld June 22, 2014 at 9:58 pm . Reply

    IncogAVFC has tweeted that he’ll have news regarding the takeover tonight, once he makes sure it’s all legitimate first.. fingers crossed.

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath June 22, 2014 at 10:09 pm . Reply

      Should be interesting. Btw who is incogavfc iv seen him mentioned but don’t know who he is. Is he an itk and if so is he usually right?

  2. ifiruledtheworld
    ifiruledtheworld June 22, 2014 at 10:45 pm . Reply

    He’s never claimed to be ITK but he’s been spot on a few times. Tweeted about Senderos hours before anyone else, even just a few days ago he said the Keane deal fell through, and now it’s emerged that is the case. So let’s see if he can keep that up.

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath June 23, 2014 at 12:14 am . Reply

      Fair enough be interesting thanks

  3. ifiruledtheworld
    ifiruledtheworld June 22, 2014 at 10:50 pm . Reply

    He’s just tweeted all this:

    Joshua Harris is interested but this has come from them contacting BOA for further information. They weren’t put off by our finances etc. 1/2

    BOA communicated this to Lerner , however Lerner has not spoken to anyone … Yet.

    By anyone I’m referring to the Harris consortium.

    BOA told a colleague of mine today that Arison, Harris and a middle eastern contact had all been in touch regarding accounts etc.

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath June 23, 2014 at 12:19 am . Reply

      Thanks. It’s weird all these rumours are basically all the same all american billionaires orth between $2.5-3 billion. Don’t think it really matters they all seem much if a muchness to be honest. Would much rather have a Russian or Arab but looks like Lerner is only selling to his mates in us. Just think we will end up with Lerner Mark 2 but with a tad more money and a top ten – mid table ambition I’m afraid.

    2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath June 23, 2014 at 12:22 am . Reply

      Wow what a goal USA. Play great stuff kinsman for villa please

      1. Andrew
        Andrew June 23, 2014 at 1:05 am . Reply

        Did you watch us against Ghana? Scored a goal and completely sat back until got scored on, only for a great corner to a young Brooks to get the winner, and then sat back/stuck it in the corner till it was over. No thank you to Klinsmann at Villa.

        1. Andrew
          Andrew June 23, 2014 at 1:10 am . Reply

          Not too mention the team went defensive 2-1 up against Portugal, he put on another CB instead of having the team try to get a 3rd to put the game away and got scored on.

          1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
            OohAhPaulMcGrath June 23, 2014 at 1:53 am . Reply

            That’s only because they have ball away cheaply at the end. They were knieve but these are a us rag tag of players v wirld class superstars bit like us drawing with Barcelona. They played done nice one touch football as well

          2. Andrew
            Andrew June 23, 2014 at 2:29 am . Reply

            Portugal aren’t at all better than the US, bar Ronaldo obviously. Not near the difference. Now it’ll be like Villa facing Barca when we go against Germany.

        2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
          OohAhPaulMcGrath June 23, 2014 at 1:11 am . Reply

          Lamberk it is then!! To be fair they played some good football in patches and well worth a draw

          1. Andrew
            Andrew June 23, 2014 at 2:30 am . Reply

            Played good football, but he’s not that good of a manager. His subs do tend to be spot on at least. We should look at someone else than him though.

  4. Lionheart
    Lionheart June 23, 2014 at 11:53 am . Reply

    Whats happening at Villa is nothing short of a CRIME.. would only be forgiveable if there was a takeover imminent..

    Tha fact there isn’t shows that Lerner has been a truly AWFUL owner and proved me right every step of the way.. the man does not have a scooby on how to run a football club..

    These two statements are nothing but a way to CON us fans into accepting that there will be NO money available and worse then average dross signed.. at a time when the Prem is mega cash rich.. teams like Hull are going for Dawson.. West Brom signings Lescott.. we are buying truly awful players…

    The final nail in our coffin will be if Vlaar leaves..

    Make no mistakes with the current status quo and PL in charge we are heading for the Championship..

    …. and NO it is not negativity it is REALISM.. just like before the World Cup i said we would exit at the group stages and it has sadly bared fruit..

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath June 23, 2014 at 3:52 pm . Reply

      Agree it is a con what iv been saying for ages

  5. Lionheart
    Lionheart June 23, 2014 at 11:54 am . Reply

    As for Klinsmann.. wasn’t so sure before but would welcome him if we had a takoever.. think he would do well..

    That Jones we were linked to on a free.. should’ve snapped him up.. way better then anyone we have in midfield..

  6. New Regime
    New Regime June 23, 2014 at 12:52 pm . Reply

    yet another pointless article. in other news united states are better at playing football than england are villa are no closer to a sale than before and i’ve got a seriously itchy arse good day happy bloggers of pointless villa updates

  7. #HELENIUS
    #HELENIUS June 23, 2014 at 6:54 pm . Reply

    3/3 for Vlaar and co and a clean sheet. Clearly he’s still a useless lump eh!!

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath June 23, 2014 at 7:21 pm . Reply

      Means nothing they’ve won nothing yet. Btw Spain did get one goal

  8. Andrew
    Andrew June 23, 2014 at 7:54 pm . Reply

    So Vlaar does well, means nothing because they haven’t won. Fascinating.

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath June 23, 2014 at 9:11 pm . Reply

      He hasn’t done well he’s just got away with errors in past 2 games. Tbf I didn’t see today’s game so can’t comment. It might be that he is a better player at international level than club level as the prem is too fast for him whereas the pace of international football is slower so not under as much pressure as prem. It is possible as other players are opposite ie Rooney and Gerrard both decent club players but shit when they put an England shirt on

      1. Andrew
        Andrew June 23, 2014 at 11:51 pm . Reply

        Could be, but then again he has far better midfield’s in front of him and the his defense actually tends to listen to him at International level. An error doesn’t mean you have a bad game, hell you can make 3 errors a game for Villa and he could still be our best player that game due to how much we defend.

  9. Eric
    Eric June 23, 2014 at 9:29 pm . Reply

    oh by the way, i also don’t really see the point in commenting on fictional things, unlike other sites that provide facts that are worth commenting on this site somewhat lacks in that department. Thats not slating the site, if you are happy to run a site that lives in a fantasy world then thats your choice. Maybe thats why you’ve constantly struggled to generate much interest.

  10. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson June 24, 2014 at 5:54 pm . Reply

    Oohah, confusious he say, you can fool some of the people some of the time,but not all of the people all of the time. Your roll is to get people going, and you do, this site would not be interesting without your input, don’t lose it, just keep saying Vlaar is crap, I don’t believe you.:-) 🙂

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath June 24, 2014 at 6:58 pm . Reply

      Lol just for you bill. VLAAR IS CRAP!! 🙂

      1. GIDDYVILLAN
        GIDDYVILLAN June 24, 2014 at 7:30 pm . Reply

        I thought he’s had a good WC or am I missing something???? Whats wrong with the post nowt wrong with it imo don’t know what all the fuss is about.

      2. domingo
        domingo June 25, 2014 at 12:20 am . Reply

        oohahpaulmcgrath is just chumming the water as Johnny Vaughan would say. keep up the good work oohahpaulmcgrath as being a villa fan is pretty shit at the moment. you make this site a little less dull than the average villa site so well done to you sir. keep up the good work .

        1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
          OohAhPaulMcGrath June 25, 2014 at 1:43 am . Reply

          Thankyou Domingo I do my best glad to be appreciated makes a change 🙂

  11. Andrew
    Andrew June 24, 2014 at 11:38 pm . Reply

    A mate told me Mellberg could come to the club as a possible player/coach. I think it’d be a great idea personally, we’ve missed the plot with Baker as he seems to have raw ability and has never had a coach to nurture it, Mellberg could.

    Also Prandelli’s resigns from Italy, Villa fan. With Villa up in the air, possible? Be a great move too be honest, doubt it though.

    1. You haven't heard differently
      You haven't heard differently June 25, 2014 at 9:55 am . Reply

      You live in cloud cuckoo land mate!

      1. Andrew
        Andrew June 25, 2014 at 2:59 pm . Reply

        Never once said I believe them, did I? Oi…

        Badger wanted news to comment on, I brought up 2 different subjects.

  12. joe cole is shit
    joe cole is shit June 25, 2014 at 9:26 pm . Reply

    Sender-dross has been dropped. Now there’s a shock. He played so well the other night. The way he went to volley that clearence and totally miss it was world class. Still there’s always Joke Cole to look forward to!!!

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath June 25, 2014 at 9:30 pm . Reply

      Lol agree disaster d ross is complete and utter shite. What is it with us and shite centre halves ffs. I like joe cole and would like him to do well and will probably be ok in flashes here and there but best days well behind him. Wev taken over as the retirement home for prem league dross the players the MLS don’t even want ffs!!

  13. Eric
    Eric June 25, 2014 at 9:29 pm . Reply

    heard from very reliable source that Clarke is on the brink of signing for Blackpool. I can’t reveal the source but lets just say it’s come from an ex player who was huge in the 90s……I’m guessing he’s lost weight since then as apparently he’s not as big now-a-days.

  14. Andrew
    Andrew June 25, 2014 at 10:31 pm . Reply

    Naming rights to Villa Park are being put forward as a benefit to buying Villa …

    Thoughts?

    1. You haven't heard differently
      You haven't heard differently June 25, 2014 at 10:36 pm . Reply

      The oracle has spoken

      1. Andrew
        Andrew June 25, 2014 at 10:46 pm . Reply

        About time you understood that. 😉

    2. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath June 25, 2014 at 11:09 pm . Reply

      No problem if we get a great winning team from it and compete for top honours. But if not forget it

    3. OriginalLondonLion
      OriginalLondonLion June 27, 2014 at 5:23 pm . Reply

      it took me quite some time to realise that the key to the new interest in Arsenal and Man City was the naming rights to the new stadia. A couple of upstart airlines hoping to cash in on direct long haul with a change planes in the desert alternative. They have to base their appeal on price and superior service but they desperately needed to get a constant name-check on the airlines themselves. Job done.

      Thinking of what American business is in a similar position, the nearest I came up with was a cruise line company. Hence the Carnival Owner’s interest makes sense. What do Donner and Blitzen sell?

      I have to disagree with Badger it is not like changing the club name or the team colours. Those really do untold damage. However I agree it did not do the Ship of Fools any good when they tried changing St James’ Park. Perhaps the key is to build a new stadium with a new name.

      I like Villa Park, but the surrounding area has changed for the worse. It might have been different if the immigrants had come from a football loving culture. They didn’t. So I would not be averse to seeing Villa move to a new Stadium in Brum where the locals are more interested in football.

  15. Andrew
    Andrew June 26, 2014 at 12:12 am . Reply

    Mate claims Incog claimed Harris and Blitzer have made their interest formal, and we won’t be bidding for anymore players. He claims that Incog says he got it from AVFC themselves.

    I’ve been guessing on what the 2nd part could mean.

    1. New owner, no new players.
    2. No more players under Lerner, IE: Freebies

    Hoping for the latter myself if this is true.

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath June 26, 2014 at 7:13 am . Reply

      I’m not sure about these 2 I’m underwhelmed tbh they have had some success in past but arnt they responsible for recent unwanted records to. Yes we will have more money than under Lerner but like badger says we will probably end up selling our sole just to finish in top ten. Not good enough IMO

      1. Andrew
        Andrew June 26, 2014 at 5:13 pm . Reply

        We’ll do better than top 10 under them. I kinda figure that being successful, they surround themselves with intelligent people, and I have little doubt they’ll do that at Villa as well. I do think it’ll take a little while before it really kicks in if they buy us, but I do think they’ll get more football related people at Villa Park than Faulkner for Lerner.

        1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
          OohAhPaulMcGrath June 26, 2014 at 6:23 pm . Reply

          Possibly but unless were chsllanging for top 4 a to is pointless imo

          1. Andrew
            Andrew June 26, 2014 at 7:12 pm . Reply

            We’re not gonna automatically challenge for a top 4, and I think we’re gonna have to get over that. Mid-table/top 10 is about what you need to realize is going to happen this season under new ownership, especially if Lambert stays.

            1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
              OohAhPaulMcGrath June 26, 2014 at 10:18 pm . Reply

              Ok so if that’s case we may as well all hold back for 5 years until we have a team that can challenge top 4. Finishing mid table for the next few years is pointless for me really can’t be arsed. Il save my money until we get up there again. If that makes me fickle then I don’t give a shite a team like us Shoukd not be playing mid table football for next 5 years or might as well support stoke ffs

          2. Andrew
            Andrew June 26, 2014 at 10:47 pm . Reply

            We’re not a team that “deserves” to be up there simply because of the name. We have to earn it like all other 19 teams every season.

            1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
              OohAhPaulMcGrath June 27, 2014 at 12:13 am . Reply

              But we arnt on a level playing field anymore so we have to spend big to compete

          3. Andrew
            Andrew June 27, 2014 at 2:11 am . Reply

            That’s true, but the way it’s going, no one coming in is going to spend big.

            It’s not just spending big though, you need intelligence as a manager. We don’t have that.

  16. OriginalLondonLion
    OriginalLondonLion June 26, 2014 at 1:25 am . Reply

    International Football. At first glance you could say it must be better than Club Football, because the National team manager has a wider choice of players. However the evidence of my own eyes – I have watched all the world cup games so far – is that this isn’t so. This is a much better world cup than the South Africa event, but there is some really crap defending going on. Champions League football is much better. Having said that the world cup goalkeepers themselves have exceeded my expectations. The defending by outfield players has been poor, even allowing for the fact that one side has often had to risk everything to get a goal because the match score would lead to elimination, so the whole team has charged forward and been nailed on the break.

    Coming to Vlaar for a moment – I think he has played at exactly the same standard he reaches for Villa. With Holland though he has a better three colleagues in the back four and a better game reading keeper behind him. AND most importantly he has a far more potent attack and midfield ahead of him. How good is Vlaar? The acid test will come if Holland encounter Germany or Colombia, then we will see.

    1. OohAhPaulMcGrath
      OohAhPaulMcGrath June 26, 2014 at 7:16 am . Reply

      Agree Oll let’s see what he’s like when they play a decent team. Yes Spain are decent but a shadow of there former selves.

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