Good grief, what is Edens wearing!
I heard this while watching the BBC local news and have to say straight off that I believe it’s the right decision for the club, if maybe not for our footy.
I tried to read the statement on the OS, but of course, the site timed out.
What do they use for broadband, I wonder; steam?
It’s probably BT.
Apart from the decision being right, I also believe it’s the moral thing to do, after the news came about that Thierry Henry had agreed to take over as manager.
For what it’s worth, I believe that story was probably true. I’ve no doubt Henry had agreed in principal to take over if indeed the new majority owners decided to change manager.
And I’d bet that this sort of thing happens all the time, in the background.
But we don’t usually get to hear about it, as the unwritten rule is that you never discuss someone’s job while they’re still in it.
Which is where I have to ask myself who leaked the story to the press?
I very much doubt it would be any of the owners, as that’s just not the way sucessful people do business.
So my pure guess is that it’s come from Henry’s advisor.
And actually might have shot Henry’s chances in the foot, in the short term anyway.
You only have to read the criticism on here and other sites about how the whole thing was just wrong.
But not only is it the morally correct thing to do, it just makes sense.
Bringing in a totally inexperienced manager, this late on would have been a massive mistake.
And then there’s the amount of money it would cost the club to sack Bruce, which was anywhere upwards of £1.5 million, if the press are to be believed.
Having thought about it, that contract payment still doesn’t make sense.
Why would you have a one year rolling contract, if it involves another six months severance pay on top?
Answer, you wouldn’t.
That’s the whole point. After each year, the contract is looked at again and if either party is unhappy, it’s terminated.
Which is quite handy for the owners, given that Bruce’s contract runs out in October.
It’s gives them time to see how Bruce gets on.
And if he looks to be failing, they can sack him, safe in the knowledge that Henry will probably be sat on the sidelines and they’re not seen to be totally ruthless, in bringing in an unexperienced manager, while not giving Bruce a chance.
Being totally pragmatic, it’s a win-win for the club.
But I genuinely hope Bruce gets us off to a flyer, as that’s all that matters.
But trying to play better footy would probably help his cause too.
Wise choice, imo.
I’ll update when I’ve read more.
Relief – now is not the time to take a gamble. We desperately need to continue in a stable environment. The team respect Bruce and he’s cured the toxic dressing room and reunited the club and fans.
After such a difficult year for him personally he deserves this opportunity to deliver promotion.
Mind you, it does raise the question – where does this media hysteria originate?
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Relieved, don’t know the in and out but hey good news. No one should be put through what he has, ok give him time look at the situation then act accordingly.
Thankfully common sense has prevailed!
I had a feeling that it was all media driven. Trying to assume new owners means a new manager, and hey Henry wants to be a manager. We never actually saw any official quotes, just pure speculation. Probably a bluenose reporter trying to disrupt our preparations! Glad for Bruce and the team to get that nonsense put to one side. I stated that we need to be in top six by end of November otherwise it might be then we have to reconsider his future.
It is a second chance. However if Villa re not in the top 3 after Christmas I predict he will be given the adidas. He has a much tougher task this season and starts with worse keepers than Johnstone, barring the arrival of another canny loanee.
That’s a fair assessment OLL
Post updated, with my thoughts.
Given the issues still surrounding the club I am thrilled Bruce is staying on. No way could an inexperienced coach/manager like Henry have handled all of the on and off the pitch issues, as well as, learning his trade.
Personally, the whole Henry to Villa link made very little sense to me, especially given the slew of other available managers more qualified, ie De Boer, etc.
Haven’t commented in a while. Was just getting over the disappointment of loosing the playoff when the shit hit the fan with the finances. Was very near to giving up on football altogether but new I couldn’t do it. Its become a joke that we are more interested in with who is running the club and managing it than who is actually going to be playing for us. But that’s what the game has become I suppose. An interesting note on companies House was that the Egyptian guy is listed as being a Belgian National on the form. This may be the link to Henry? Glad Bruce is staying. Stability is key. And Badger, a one year rolling contract is just that. It continually rolls meaning it always has a year left on it. If Bruce gets sacked in October the club still have to honour the remainder of his contract which is one year from date of termination. It makes no difference if they sack him in October or February. It’s good for both parties in that neither is tied to each other for more than the year. I believe O’Neil was on similar deal. Have gut feeling Grealish will be gone next week as I recon we have no option but to sell. These guys are not soft and will see it as a quick fix to ffp rules. They did not become billionaires by throwing good money after bad and that is what will happen if they invest and we fail to go up. I think they will hope to get us promoted on the cheap and why we are sticking with Bruce. If we do go up this season and they buy out Dr Tony then exciting times may lie ahead.
Tekkers,
So Sawaris is based in London, but a Belgian national?
Good spot.
I wonder what that’s about?
Probably something to do with tax, no doubt.
As for the rolling contract, I totally disagree.
Of course, it depends on the actual contract, but I (and you, I’m sure) have had similar with a simple thing such as a phone.
Where you can give notice to withdraw within the last month, before the contract expires.
And given that I’ve read that Bruce is on £60k a week, or £3 mill a year, the £1.5 mill doesn’t add up to a year’s wages anyway.
Again, it depends on the actual wording, but the proof will be in the pudding, if he gets sacked in October, imo.
Which is where my money sits, if we aren’t doing too well.
And no, we will not sell Grealish, unless we get £30 million plus add-ons.
And then invest it in other decent players.
There just isn’t time for that.
It’ll put the owners on the back foot with the fans, from the off.
They’ll want to show ambition and selling Jack with no-one coming in, won’t do that.
Just my opinion mate 🙂
It’s all about opinions Badger. That’s what this group is all about. Hope your right about Jack staying but I think it’s a case of cutting off a limb to save the body unless they can find another way arround ffp. Or maybe Ffp was a smoke screen by Tony to defect from the fact that the well had ran dry. Funnily enough not much Media mention of it now we have new owners. As for phone contract it is usually straightforward one year and you sign up for another near end of term or cancel. My take on rolling one year contracts are that they roll on with each day you are there. The contract term never increases nor decreases. If Bruce decided to quit he could simply end his contract but would be bound to honour the remainder which would be 12 month period from date he cancels. And same applies the other way. Club could decide to end his contract tomorrow but would have to pay up the 12months in full or ask him to see out the remaining 12 months. I’m no expert in this but it’s my take on it. Here we go again taking contracts and companies house. Aaarrh. On to football matters. Would love to see us sign snodgrass on loan with option to buy if promoted.
I would have thought grealish was discussed at todays meeting. If he is going there is absolutely no benefit him playing for villa tonight.
We need our players to be getting fit and working together.
Agreed.
I think Bruce has been going with the players he thinks he’s going to start the season with.
And that remains so today.
I don’t believe a deal for Grealish is imminent at all.
That suit is AMAZING!!!! I bet Bill dresses like that all the time.
Pleased with this decision. I like to support a club that does its business in a moral manner, but a bit of success wouldn’t go amiss!
Haha, Bum bum.
Well, I like to think we are seen as a club that does the right thing (refusing to salute Hitler, etc).
But yes, totally agreed on a bit of success!
I have a sneaky feeling that the club may be run correctly this time.
No massive gambling and a more reasoned approach, I suspect.
With possibly a bit of a push this season.
But a much more restrained approach if we don’t get promoted.
For what it’s worth, I totally think the owners leaked it – giving the fans an opportunity to let them know what we think and we did. Whatever the route to getting here, we have new owners with deep pockets, we’ve kept the right manager in charge (for now) and SB has the opportunity to quickly strengthen the squad for what should be a very positive season. The good news is, whatever happens on the pitch, we should have ownership who can afford to go the long-game; provided that’s their intention. And should we manage to get up this season, next season could be very exciting to think of where we could push onto indeed.
While I would have been prepared to give Henry a chance I think that keeping Bruce is the sensible decision. We’ve had too much chopping and changing over the past few years so a bit of stability won’t go amiss.
Just a thought – I’m wondering if the Henry thing might have been to provide a bit of an incentive from the owners for Bruce to get his finger out this season.
Anyway a week or so ago I was dreading the new season but not anymore!
Pat. I still think we’re light in areas.
But yep, we’re in a much better place than last week.
My next guess?
We’ve probably blown it in this window, unless we are seriously going to push the boat out with more stupidly highly paid players coming in, which I don’t see at all.
Whoever the manager is come the winter window, I’d expect a serious investment if it looks like we’re in with a shout of going up .
Big “if”, but you never know.
I seriously am not sure that the new owners know what’s involved with FFP and suspect they’re learning and are probably shocked.
But they’ll have had chance to look at ways to get round it by then.
Hence it’s critical that we’re thereabouts come Xmas.
Badger, the world these guys with that much money live in is totally different to Joe Bloggs. They have Counsel on tap 24/7.
Meaning that if they knew nothing of FFP when they went to bed, they would wake up to a dossier from their lawyers explaining how it was impacting AVFC and what ways there were round it. Moreover when they sat down at VP, said Counsel would be on hand to grill the Villa staff for confirmation.
And anybody with that much money has a base in London, it it where the deepest capital market is, They will want their money earning something., and it can be pledged to underwriters for a fee.
Johnny, I can’t see that for one minute.
What would Henry think about that?
If it is indeed true, I reckon Ron Toss got it right; “autograph hunters”;
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-owners-tom-ross-14949041
At least they’ve had their feedback and should realise that this isn’t what’s wanted at all.
Maybe Edens has had his arse kicked big time and has hopefully learned a lesson?
No disrespect mate, but we are not a US club
I’m sure you know that while we want to be successful, most of us don’t want to do it at any cost.
Ross looks a bit of a pratt now though, doesn’t he?
No, not at all, imo, Pat.
He reiterated what many Villa fans thought, I think.
See above for my thoughts if it was the owners that leaked it.
And yes, he’s a nose, but he’s part of the “meejia”.
Hence his shout probably had more volume than any single one of us fans.
Badger, fully aware of how things are done over there – the name implies where I live now, not where I was born and bred.
That said, what would they have to lose by leaking it? Who’s to say their purpose. If I were in their position, I’d see it a smart move to leak many different plans where likely to divide fans and let them have their say. Either way, I think he right decision was made in the end. If they had already made their mind up to go with Henry, I think I can see the attraction despite his lack of experience (and not because of who he was as a player). At this stage, if he had a role to play, I’d bring him in as assistant or coach – but I doubt Bruce would tolerate meddling in those decisions.
I’m watching tonight’s game against West ham, I think we are wasting our time with Bree, two down at the minute and not a cat in hells chance of winning or drawing .Oh happy days.
Losing 2-0….Bruce out 😂 Just having a fickle moment. No Bruce must stay!
Er, I’ve seen nothing in Bree or Taylor, ever since they came,fwiw.
But what do I know?
And De laet can’t get a game.
Really?
This is where I can’t work Bruce out.
Too many favourites, as much as I think he’s ok overall.
De Laet does look useful and hopefully will get game time next season. Grealish and Kodja not linking up at all. We need to replace Snodgrass and get Hogan fit.
Not impressed by Bree, Steer or Kodjia. The biggest worries are – is who the hell is going to get us goals and where do we get a decent keeper from!
De Laet should start – don’t think you can draw any conclusions from who starts in the friendlies.
Snodgrass makes it three.
Overall a poor performance
3-1 Green – he needs to start
I’m seeing nothing to suppose we have a side that will challenge for getting out of this league.we have two player’s only that know how to move forwards with a ball, all the rest play safe, side to playing it back, West Ham fans are mocking us as it draws to full time. It’s going to be a long time before we start improving that’s for sure, I’m glad my West ham neighbour in America he’d be taking the piss.
Wouldn’t worry about being mocked by WHU fans – it’s a friendly ff’s sake
Bill, they’re Prem.
We’re not.
This is the difference.
But it’s only a friendly and really doesn’t mean much.
Oh Green just got one.
Great goal from Green. He’s looked sharp since he came on
Hitch, you can see the youngsters are sharper and trickier, It’s over now 3-1 west ham.
Villa better in the second half perhaps but it’s really hard to tell much from these games. I’d guess that Bruce’s starting eleven for the first game will be a mixture of the two teams he basically played today.
West Ham now have a top manager in my opinion and they could well end up top 8 if not higher.
I’d also guess that all the ups and downs of the past few weeks will have affected the players as much as the fans.