Are sale/buyback deals a good idea?

So the Jaden Philogene deal has been talked about again and I thought it might make a decent topic for conversation which can help take our minds off the borefest that was the international break.
As if anyone didn’t know, we sold him to Hull for £5 million and have first shout to buy him back if Hull end up in the same league as us. No doubt the assumption is that they get promoted to the Prem but I’d guess that also includes us being relegated too. Not that that’s going to happen is it?

Anyway, that first shout is at £15 million if we’re unopposed. Otherwise, we have to match any other club’s offer.

I’ve had a think about this and listed the pros and cons as I see them below. I’d appreciate your views on this, because I have seen comments where some fans are totally against this kind of deal;

1. We’re not paying to keep a player on the bench.
2. We get money for him, so it’s not just the wages we’re saving.
3 The player gets to play footy at a decent level.
4 The other club improve him for us (or not) and if he improves we get him at the agreed fee or first shout at the market fee (less what we got for him in the first place, in effect).
5. If he proves to be good, he’ll have helped the club improve.
6. It’s good for FFP.
7. He’s cost us very little, so it helps to pay for the Academy.
8. We may possibly be doing a smaller club a favour.

Possible downsides?
1. We may have to pay a fortune to get him back if he proves to be really good, but that’s only what normally happens anyway, so even then we haven’t really lost out.
2. There is a small chance that we lose “one of our own” (assuming that means he came though the Academy? He was born in Hammersmith, so not likely to be a Villa fan).
3. The only way we could see if he comes really good or not is to continue to play him, where he might prove to be a liability and actually lose value.

So 8 plus points and 3 negatives.

It’s just a no-brainer and the future imo.


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  1. Holte
    Holte November 26, 2023 at 2:32 pm . Reply

    I would take Carlos off as he’s clearly miles off the pace

  2. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson November 26, 2023 at 2:36 pm . Reply

    Far far too much high line getting the right hand side open Diarby throwing his arms and not tackling we are in for a sharp lesson in football here ,.

  3. Texas Villan
    Texas Villan November 26, 2023 at 2:41 pm . Reply

    I want to see some more drive. We need Ramsey, Moreno and Bailey 2nd half.

  4. Holte
    Holte November 26, 2023 at 2:50 pm . Reply

    Probably the worst 45 minutes I have seen under Emery. I don’t know how we are only 1-0 down. I would take Cash off and bring Tielemans on.

  5. Texas Villan
    Texas Villan November 26, 2023 at 2:57 pm . Reply

    Diaby way for the pace and needs to be subbed.

  6. Adam
    Adam November 26, 2023 at 3:00 pm . Reply

    What a ball and header! Wasn’t really deserved in all fairness but will take it. We need to be so careful now not to get a red card, they way the ref has been it feels like he is waiting to send one of ours off. Cash or Kamara look the likely candidates. I feel Mcginn has the nouse but those 2 can be rash at times. Interesting 2nd half coming up. Bentancur going off was a bonus though he’s a quality player. I think Cash meant that personally.

  7. Holte
    Holte November 26, 2023 at 3:01 pm . Reply

    How on earth did we come off at 1-1? Our defence is all over the place and it’s really frustrating that we have only threatened a few times when clearly their defence is probably worse.
    Emery needs to kick quite a few arses during the interval. A bit concerning with the number of yellow cards picked up.

  8. Sudforever
    Sudforever November 26, 2023 at 3:02 pm . Reply

    If it were me I’d be taking Cash off, never liked Konsa at right back and Cash playing in front of him. Expect Cash to get a red card if not taken off. Love to see Ramsey on if fit enough.

    Luckily I’m not in charge. In Unai we trust.

  9. Gerry
    Gerry November 26, 2023 at 3:06 pm . Reply

    To have played so badly and still be driving forward in the last seconds with a brilliantly executed free kick means we deserve every ounce of luck we have had. How did we come off 1-1, simple we conceeded a deflected goal to a team who were even worse than us. The poorest finishing side in the league just now.

  10. Texas Villan
    Texas Villan November 26, 2023 at 3:15 pm . Reply

    Anyone know if Zaniolo is injured? Surprised absence today.

  11. Holte
    Holte November 26, 2023 at 4:11 pm . Reply

    Whoever scores first wins the game I said 🙂 What do I know.
    An improved second half performance although that wasn’t difficult. Definitely Martinez was our MOTM. He kept us in it with our defence all over the place.

    1. Hitchens60
      Hitchens60 November 26, 2023 at 4:16 pm . Reply

      But a defence is a whole and Martinez is part of that.

      No doubt a World class performance from him but give credit to the rest of the team who had to deal with an attack minded very fluid Spurs side.

      My slight beef is the very marginal offside for Watkins first goal – football need to look at this and give the marginal decision in favour of the attacking sides. Finding reasons to delete goals spoils the excitement of football.

      Otherwise great and most enjoyable game.

  12. Hitchens60
    Hitchens60 November 26, 2023 at 4:12 pm . Reply

    Torres – who should have scored in the first five minutes – great header for the equaliser at a critical moment before half time.

    Much, much better second half. Tielemans was superb and a great strikers goal by Watkins. Good substitutions by Emery.

    I have found it difficult to transition from Villa of the recent past to Villa of today but I need to believe more. Yes we struggled at times in the first half but never gave up.


    1. Hitchens60
      Hitchens60 November 26, 2023 at 4:48 pm . Reply

      I think Kamara is banned for the next EPL game – 5 yellows.

      At least we have Tielemans to come in.

      Happy Days

  13. Bill Pearson
    Bill Pearson November 26, 2023 at 4:13 pm . Reply

    Retract what I said , we would be given a sharp lesson in football from Spurs! Today showed me that we have the best manager in the game and it was him that won use the game today. A proud fan I am to be a Aston Villa supporter.

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